Dunland declares - Enion shocked !

[GPCarlo]

Well in case you hadn't spotted it in your turn I have decided to turn Free.

Why ?
I keep asking myself that especially when I joined with the full intention of declaring dark and using dragons (and the odd Mordorian agent) to make an interesting battle in the NW.

Looking back over the first few turns it comes down to -
Excellent communication from the FP (which continues now,,,always nice to know it continues after you declare)
Incredibly poor communication on the first turn by the DS

This would not have mattered overly had the level of openness been there. The FP even shared the odd turn with me before I had declared, the DS wouldn't even tell me the name of an agent working in the NW ? Not top secret I would have imagined. Treat your neutrals as enemies and they will become such...

Worse than that,,,last turn I was accused of being a "ringer" by one of the only two DS who had maintained "regular" contact with me... leaving me in the sound knowledge that the only DS with whom I had a good level of trust was the WK....hmmmm with the WK looking like he is setting up residence in cardboard city this did not make me feel overly confident....

All in all I hope for a swift defeat of the DS so that when I play a neutral again I can choose a side rather than be pushed and pulled to the one decision.

I wish my enemies all the luck they can garnor and I hope for an interesting game.

[WessexSlayer]

Its not a shock so dont spin

[murmur]

the foxmeister, king of paranoia....



d

[WessexSlayer]

Paranoia is when u think they are out to get u.

But they are out to get you. 3 turned Free, 2 more to follow. But as i said, dont think it will be a pushover because it wont.

[murmur]

Why are they out to get YOU?


Interested bystander.

[WessexSlayer]

murmu since u dont get sarcasm I wont bother explaining

[GPCarlo]

Sarcasm and paranoia - they do say that the best brains are prone to both.

Another big word - delusional

I had hoped that my declaration whilst not ideal for your side would at least be viewed with stoicism considering the harsh words flung at me the turn I decided to declare....

If you remember I gave the DS the opportunity to have me on their side. I told you my exact army movements, I told you where I would be and I offered a strategy that if not effective would have certainly kept the NW open. Instead I was viewed with suspicion and distrust (by you). The other DS were much more open but you are the most vocal of your side and so carry that extra weight in any decision. You are a burden to your team and it is truly a disappointment that my armies will not have dragons in them...
I leave you my camps and towns in old Dunland - we hunger after nice mountain views and plan to plant our new vineyards on the slopes of Mordor !

[WessexSlayer]

Its such a shame, Incidentally when you started the game I was not vocal against you, and frankly the only person that should need to contact you is the WK, not me -- you know the QA a few thousand leagues south.

not the gubbins of other DS saying hello and all that bollocks. But dont blame me for you turning Free. That would be a lie.

-------
As for cosairs
if he expected me to filter news from the DS when he doesnt bother even saying hello. Then he is sadly mistaken. as I said all he had to do was say he was busy. thats all. not hard. So I left them to it.

As for the Duns:-
They were done for
Yes we sent agents but we are not giving names or locations. That would be stupid. Once WK was in direstraits, it was little point dealing with the Duns since they were bound to go free especially with the Rhuduar turning free. They would be anhilated otherwise.

AS for the remaining neutrals.
You know what they say about twice bitten, thrice shy. I have diplomatic with easterlings -
NO RESPONSE.

It was already rumoured that the harad were going free at sometime in the future, just a question of when.

--------------------
Well if you expect the DS to grovel then in being with the game, that it is not the way of Sauron.
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But then I am also now in 2 games of GB 1650. And now i dont have to accept the cock and bull from neutrals do i.

[fragilesi]

GP, he's never been very trustworthy :D

Simon.

[GPCarlo]

Simon ! Hey how you doing ? You can see things are very interesting here....

QA I think you should stay in GB games as diplomacy skills are sadly lacking...

If you look back on my emails I never once lied - I was completely truthful at all times. I even said in several mails that I was tending towards FP and the odds were in the region of 70/30... so where is all the bitterness coming from ?

I started the game 80/20 in favour of DS (as Simon knows that is the only side I have ever declared for or played for) so this has all happened due to poor diplomacy and your antagonistic nature.

Your GB games have tainted your view- I have played a neutral many a time and one of the key deciding factors is how many players of a side contact you and make you feel as part of the team - yes I said "team" and this is where I think you are failing. GB allows you to play with lower diplomatic skills and less team interaction. In the original game it is all about diplomacy and, for neutrals, joining and interacting fully with the team....

I joined MEPBMs again to have fun - I don't care if I win or get knocked out early so long as the interaction is there...it is only a game... I would like my team to win and will play to win but I won't take your tripe to heart any more....

For those reading this outside of game 35 just log into the game 35 forum to read the rubbish he is writing.

[WessexSlayer]

Not intrested in your opinion.

Neutrals should be working with those close by, Why should they really care about some one 1000's leagues away.

If you want to know more

If you dont like my attitude,well you can join the opposite continually in future games if thats your choice. But I for one will not beg or plead for a neutral not in my nature. And in fact if this was role playing not in the nature of Sauron either.

[fragilesi]

GP, for the record, looks like you made a good choice!

Simon.

[murmur]

"murmu since u dont get sarcasm I wont bother explaining"

Ah, i see.

It all becomes clear; you are rude as well as ignorant and [if memory serves] a very poor, selfish player. I was actually interested to see if an old ally/team-mate had changed.

Apparently not.

btw; whenever i start a new game i make sure you are not on my team first. That`s the kind of impression you make. And that`s not sarcasm.

[WessexSlayer]

Since i am in gunboat in future and currently 2 gb games , I wont have to chat to anyone thank god

[fragilesi]

I for one will follow this game with interest! It has the ingredients of being a good grudgefest by the looks of it!

Simon.

[WessexSlayer]

Let the grudge matches continue. David murray since u are getting personal. My play as northman was fine thanks very much.

You obviously have a very distant aged memory not accurate though

[GPCarlo]

What more can I say that has not been written already...

Dunland stands (and fights) by its actions...
I have been open to all offers and as transparant as I could be (even shared my first few turns)
You have your opinion...

Oh and I for one don't do grudges as it is only a game,,, but I will be following David's lead and avoiding all future encounters with the dozing, yet opinionated, sleeper

Simon/ David cheers for support

[WessexSlayer]

Always thought neutrals want someone to hold their hand.

Heh Duns and Rhudaur perhasp you need a comfort blanket.

The Frightful nasty evil QA

----
I though the nazgul are suppose to be evil, oh maybe to evil for those wimpy neutrals.

I guess Corsairs have conceded they could not take the QA out on their own. but need someone to hold their hand. That would be the Harad.

[mendeni]

Believe me the Harad or the Corsairs could take the Qa on their own...

We are working together as Neighbours hand in hand the wipe you out quickly so that our troops can head north can kill the rabid dog.....


Harad...

[WessexSlayer]

Who knows the Dog might get u first

Then Should destroy the QA very quickly shouldnt you

[The Eternal]

Originally posted by WessexSlayer
Let the grudge matches continue. David murray since u are getting personal. My play as northman was fine thanks very much.

You obviously have a very distant aged memory not accurate though

Bruce all David is being is honest, you're play has never been good you are without doubt the worst TEAM player i've ever come across in MEPBM. I have a very short list of players i never want to play with again and you're it!!

the comments i've read recently on the boards regarding your play in other games has only confirmed this.

Alan Gourlay

[The Stand]

Hmmm. Well, if there are enough players with the high-minded intelligence of this Bruce chap, it'll be real easy picking a side in my new neutral game. I certainly hope his style of hate is in the minority, else this game is destined to lose potential players more often than it should.

[WessexSlayer]

Alan gourlay

You claim I was bad player

SO whats the evidence I have kept my old turns in ALL THE GAME I WAS IN.

[WessexSlayer]

THANK THE LORD , IN GUNBOAT

I DONT HAVE TO TAKE THIS **** FROM PLAYERS

I AM IN 2 GAME OF GB oh dear non one knows which side I am on

OH DEAR.

[fragilesi]

I think Gunboat was designed for you . . . Simon.

[fragilesi]

Originally posted by The Eternal
Bruce all David is being is honest, you're play has never been good you are without doubt the worst player i've ever come across in MEPBM. I have a very short list of players i never want to play with again and you're it!!

the comments i've read recently on the boards regarding your play in other games has only confirmed this.

Alan Gourlay

Alan, sorry, I do have to pull you up on this one, I can honestly lay claim to this title. One day I will admit publicly just how bad but until Game 87 finishes I think I'll keep quiet.

Anyone wanting a genuine challenge should probably start a game with both of us on their side!

Simon. :D

[WessexSlayer]

Yes thats rights, I dont have to take with girls blouse who say
' I dont want to play with you' - Boo hoo hoo, some neutrals sound like big children

[WessexSlayer]

Alan Gourlay I am report you to the GM since you have no proof and you have made this personal - I will highlight the email of complaint now

YOU ARE LIAR and If I could I would sue for deformation of character for every penny you are worth.

[WessexSlayer]

I am letting it be known that I am reporting this personal and malicious attack based on no evidence

When I do something I say it to someones face. 'Metaphortically in this case the forumn'

Alan Gourlay you are liar

[WessexSlayer]

Gee whiz Noldo I am accusing Gourlay and co of being liars. they have no actual evidence. Thats deformation of character

[fragilesi]

Bloody elves! All pointy ears and graces! No stomach for the fight.

But I think that as the Elves retreat we should advance! Whichever direction Ed is probably right we should move on now.

Simon.

[The Eternal]

Apologies, I’ve reread my statement and I’ve noticed that I missed out a vital word. That word being TEAM.

I’ve now edited the above statement so it reads as I originally intended.

Also i'm gald the statement has annoyed you so much as this in some way compensates for all the crap i had to listen to from you in the various games i was unfortunate enough to have you as a 'team' mate.

report away i've done nothing wrong.

Al

[The Eternal]

Actually since i know other players who agree with me doesn't that mean that you calling me a liar is defamation?

Al
:D

[WessexSlayer]

You have not sighted examples in other games. The burden of proof falls on the accuser not the defender.

So if you think that I was a poor player in other games you have to cite examples . To say something does make it so.

[jasonab]

Bruce,

Would you happen to be Bruce Fox, who played in 2950 game 21 as North Gondor, back around 12/2000 through 2001?

jason

[WessexSlayer]

AS I recall I knocked out the IK capital with a massed attack
, but then had to drop out as I had to with other games due to
outside commitment.

I was never then being told I was beligerent.

[WessexSlayer]

In another game I used Ethorain enmassed to destroy the DL capital.

but the DL capital was saved by getting a dragon just in time to save their arse

[The Eternal]

sorry Bruce you're getting you're games mixed up.

I was the IK in the 2950 Game 21 that ran from late 2000 through to the end of 01 and my cap never fell. It was still standing at the game end when the free surrendered. You did manage to take 3123.

I also played the DLts in that game and had Gothmog threaten away Tirith and Edoras.

Al

[WessexSlayer]

are u sure you are talking about the right game. Because I HAVE ONLY EVER PLAYED one NGOndor position from start/

I cant remember the game nos. but I can remember how many times I have played a position.

#1
The only Gondor I played from a start was when I took out the IK CAPITAL

#2
EThoraim attack dl capital but they were saved by a dragon

ANy other gondor position was a standby, and probably dropped due to outside issues. BUT I CAN CONFIRM THE GAME I WAS IN, MINAS TIRITH NEVER FELL when I was playing it

[jasonab]

Originally posted by WessexSlayer

ANy other gondor position was a standby, and probably dropped due to outside issues. BUT I CAN CONFIRM THE GAME I WAS IN, MINAS TIRITH NEVER FELL when I was playing it

You're correct that Tirith didn't fall while you played it, because you dropped on turn 14, with NG in a sorry state, leaving me and the rest of the team to pick up the pieces.

You had already quit the mail group once or twice, before finally relieving us of your presence permanently. Pelargir fell the to Corsairs two turns after you dropped, and Tirith fell soon after. I managed to keep NG in play until we dropped on t26, but it was over for a while before that.

[WessexSlayer]

As far as I know the N gondor I did play, i took out the IK Capital

[The Eternal]

you've got to love selective memory:D

[WessexSlayer]

Yes you do dont you ETERNAL

[The Eternal]

please explain?

As far as i can see you admit to playing NG in 2950 game 21 between 12/2000 through 2001, but refuse to accept you didn't capture the IK cap and didn't leave you're team in the lurch through bad play.. who's memory is selective?

You might want to get that medication changed:p

Al

[Brad Jenison]

Come on Bruce there are so many people posting on this thread and others that you are involved on has anyone actually supported you? I know Ed and have played with and against him. I respect his opinion. In fact if the game 71 is the same game 71 I played in against Ed and John Simpson and others it was not a happy experience for several players. If Ed will vouch for you I will accept that but so many people who have played with you have posted that they personally found you hard to play with. In another game you have apparently alienated every neutral so badly they have joined the other side. That is a real accomplishment to which you have replied that you would not grovel for any neutral. Well good for you don't grovel, just remove yourself from the negotiations and let others who might have more success carry on that important task. If you have indeed caused the neutrals to join your team's opposition and each of those neutral nations has 12 characters apiece you have saddled your team with a deficit of 120 orders that can be issued against them. That is a steep hill to climb, and if (note I am saying if not stating a fact) you were indeed responsible for placing me and my fellow team members with that kind of disadvantage I would also have no kindly words for you either. From your postings here you seem eager to pick a fight and claim yourself as the injured party but the voices of all seem to be against you.

Perhaps you should stop posting and being slammed by more and more people. Re evaluate your gaming style and method of dealing with others to seek better results and then come back. This is just an exercise in futility for you what do you hope to accomplish. Reporting people to Clint? What do you think will come of that. This is a free forum. People can give their opinion about you on this forum. You cannot be defamed if you are really doing what people who have actually played with you claim. If what has been cited is true then you really need to quietly go away and do some introspective soul searching and a lot less ranting.

[WessexSlayer]

Brad really not intrested in your oppinion and frankly you can go
swivvel. I wont give it up and I THINK MANY HAVE SELECTIVE MEMORIES OF THEIR OWN.

I was wrong in the fact that I a played 1 but 2 NGOndor positions. The one i referred to was a 1650 game where I destroyed the IK capital - Now I recall the 2950 game and I recall that we were being cursed to death from almost turn2 . In a character based game

I dropped out of 2950 because of outside commitments. (at the end of the day I have a life outside) If I recall we were being cursed to death . Its rather difficult recruitinh characters if you are cursed to death continually. Why dont they ask themselves what they did about the curse squads surrounding Minas Tirith. Err **** ALL THATS WHAT - SLIGHTLY SELECTIVE me thinks

[murmur]

;)

Sorry there are no words....


d

[Brad Jenison]

Well Bruce this is my last post on the subject. You don't seem to care about anybody's opinion not just mine. Perhaps that is what your problem is, and yes you do have a problem in this gaming community at least.

You seem to miss the point that several have made and that this is a game designed for cooperative team work. It doesn't matter if you managed to destroy this or so capital, if you team lost because of your lack of team play. You get no victories unless your team wins. In this game you have saddled your team with a huge disadvantantage. Most of the players playing neutrals in the game have said point blank that they are joining the Free directly because of their interactions with you. Congratulations you have caused the defeat of your alliance. You won't take constructive criticism, you lash out with insults and threats. You get so upset that you cannot spell or use a dictionary to use the proper words you want to use. Example defamation and cite not sight an example. You try to use legalese to make yourself look smarter. The burden of proof etc. This is a public forum not a publication. Anyone here is free to post their opinion you cannot sue Free Speech is a right in your country as well I believe. If some one says I think Bruce is an Arse ( I believe that is the word you use) so what does that cause you any actual damages other than pride?

Get a grip. It is unfortunate that so many people have felt compelled to comment on the sorry state of your play and the interaction with you as a player. Again if you have supporters they probably should have come to your support. It appears you have none and that should have caused you to think about how untenable your position is. We all have outside interests and committments I hope in your real word affairs you conduct yourself better than you do here. In Middle Earth you seem bent on making yourself a Pariah feel free to look it up and add it to your vocabulary.

Brad

[vandal]

Brad there are none so blind as those that cannot see and I for one see now their is no point in even trying to talk to Bruce.

All you can do as I have done is ask that he is eliminated from my play book as even on the other side what fun is there if you can walk the game. For my sins I played with and againts him and count myself lucky he chose the play on his own option when he was on my side.

Bruce this is all yours and I leave you to whatever fate lays in store for you.

Do not worry I wont be crowing about game 35 it gives me no honour or satisfaction to know the result already.

I just feel sorry for all the new players in the game and hope they carry on

Vandal

[WessexSlayer]

ooh I am so scared

Player then you should about being in an asylum wouldnt u, as I am sure they comeing for you any moment

[Brad Jenison]

I think Frank is right, and Ed as well. It's obvious to all but Bruce himself that he has a problem. All we are doing is goading him to further foolishness. If we don't respond to his drivel we deprive him of his audience and leave him talking to no one but himself. I personally had no dog in this fight but was getting tired of all his postings. I now realize that about half his postings are to answer those of others. Even reducing his nonsense by half seems to me a good move. So I recommend everyone simply ignore Bruce, refuse to rise to his challenges and maybe he'll tire of posting and getting no response.

Brad