Game 30 Another Capital Burned

[Er Murazor]

Hellooooooooo all

Here SG speaking, after all the movements in Southern Harad, SG strikes again and push hard into the kitchen! FK capital Barad Ungol now is only a smoking ruin. Marahil has lost his life for it, but ... it is worth the efford.

On the other hand I was expecting Easterlings to come and greet me, because those Haradrim are not enought for me, or are Easterlings waiting for others to do his job? :D

Ricard
SG 30
:p

[vandal]

Worry not after a few more dead bodies float down the river lets see if you like the thought of joining them

Vandal

[Nightsbane]

Yes bravo, it took what 13 turns to finally show up at a Mordor pop? you guys have skill! But then hey, if a little bravado musters your courage so be it, enjoy the moment.


As I recall Gondor, you promised me the surprise, I finally got it, your chicken, thats ok though, chickens are funny with their heads cut off. Besides with the stunning coordination of you and your corsair ally, its no surprise I didnt make it in to see you. Im not too worried, he is just delaying the inevitable, flopping around doing nothing. 800 HC was the best the corsairs could throw? Im very disappointed...

[lsd]

DS

like the price of mithril? have problems with maths? or do you always buy high and end up selling low!

few more surprises in store for you guys now that we are finally getting organised can't say you'll enjoy them!

Enion of Dunland

[vandal]

If you do the maths wnat to clarify the price change you are talking about?

If thats the best you can do its not very good

Sad is our loss but long may the army commanders cary on floating, hope you have lots of spares

Vandal

[Nightsbane]

Now vandal, we cant always be as good at numbers as our Dunland friends, lets see 2500 HC attacking vs a small rhuduar army goes poof...now thats amazing.
Although I can understand the turmoil, from what I hear in house bickering has run rampant. Makes me glad I went DS, and sad SG is stuck being Freep, Id have figured y'all would have realized his value by now...Im sure the Corsairs has seeing as SG is all that has kept him from a twitching death...
But yes, lets dwell on our first botched Mithril buyout, not including the other 3 that went off without a hitch...then again its real easy to call it botched when Im sure you just sold mithril.

[vandal]

But if losing one gold is the best they can do I still think its not a lot to crow about

Vandal

[Pearly]

One less Nazgul, eh Khamul! Khamul!?!?

[lsd]

Darkies

Hoping you could help me out here. We the free are having a disagreement (whats new I hear you cry - but no wait and you'll see) is the FK gone bang? Did Ren bounce one too many cheques? Dodgy credit rating finally catch up with him? or was it the loan sharks who put paid to his spending habits?

Don't be shy now boys and girls (rumours are circulating about vandal!) tell friendly old Enion, he wouldn't harm a fly....

Enion pondering the theory of relativity

[vandal]

Is that a rumour that I would hurt a fly?

I do and will be hurting a good guy near you soon

Vandal

[Pearly]

You may be hurting a good guy soon, Vandal. However 3 of your fellow knife-wielders will not.

[vandal]

Oh pray tell who?

Comes as news to me and I might have an inkling no?

Of course I myself take the view the Eo has not been hurt enough and needs some more, what do you think?

Vandal

[lsd]

Vandal

Khamul, Nazog and some other Dragon Lord riff raff is who Pearly is referring to. Very lucky you guys hung on to the RoW, close call that.

Little spooked by the free icon on 3024 weren't we? All those agents with nothing to do except hold hands - great use of your resources! keep it up why don't you!

Noticed how recently things have changed around somewhat or has this (like the dead DS agents) passed you by?

Enion

[vandal]

To die in service is a great honour.

But of course I wont mention we killed more of you than you did of us, but then I guess you can just keep replacing those very poor chaps.

Nothing has changed as far as I can see the game ebbs and flows but the end is not clear and that makes for a good game.

If you think to claim victory, then it is you who does not see clearly.

Mind you a few more of your chums will be following you again this go so you wont be alone

Vandal

[urzahil119]

Vandal,

I agree- you have not hurt the EO enough. A handful of characters of mine have been killed -- but I am still here. Come after me some more, for every agent you send is one not sent against other FP's.

Time will be the ultimate judge.

Bob / EO

[vandal]

Glad to see someone with some sense, the game is nice and open and there for both sides to take.

Oh as much as I would like to play with you I do have other things to do and chaps to kill.

Have to be fair and share

Vandal

[herman]

Found,
The Ring of Wind at the Metriath markets. Owner to present themselves to the city guard Lost and Found Department with accurate description of said ring and photo ID to reclaim item.

Regards Herman (Scribe and court jester to Hallas) :)

[Nightsbane]

What a coincidence! We too found a ring this turn. The difference is I doubt you will be holding ROW for more than this turn :)

[herman]

Well I can but try, if you don't get it back this turn you will have to play hide and go seek with me.

Regards Herman (Keeper of lost property, ... well hopefully) :p

[vandal]

Oh Dear well another one or two bite the dust.

Floating down the river as I said

Who next?

Vandal

[lsd]

...floating down the river...WK & Dog Lord spring to mind now that you mention it of course Rhudaur is looking a little lonely now up north you guys have enough MTs / Cities to house everyone who needs a shiny new capitol?

Enion

[vandal]

Did I miss something pray tell more

Vandal

[Pearly]

Vandal,

I guess you were left out of the DS town hall referendum. Murazor requested that the Carn Dum neighborhood be rezoned from "smoking pit of despair" to "smoking pile of refuse."

Apparently the request was approved. Contractors from Arthedain Earth-works Inc. went to work making all necessary changes to the landscape last turn. I believe that was cotemporaneous to the Dwarven assault on the walls of MT Gundabad.

I wonder where the WK might have moved his capital. Say that wasn't an elven mage with a nose bleedingly high mage rank casting perceive secrets on nation #11, was it?

Pearly

[Nightsbane]

Yes congrats, it took the combined forces of the Woodmen, Dwarves, Arthedain and Cardolan to finally on turn 17 take out Carn Dum..pat yourselves on the back ladies.

P.S. Thank you to the Cardolan for keeping ROW safe, Hallas' corpse was still warm when we found it and reclaimed it.

[Pearly]

Ooops,

Perhaps you want to update your signature block.

Clearly not all of the gates of Hell are open anymore. At least Murazor's gates should be renamed "Small Wooden Door to a Dimlly Lit Room." Or maybe you could change it to "ACME Portable Gates of Hell..."

And then there is/was Ren's "gates of Hell." I mean really, what happened there? You cannot expect us to be overly concerned about a gate that has been knocked off of its hinges, is lying in the dirt, and is covered in orc and troll blood.

Should I bother to mention the gates of Hell at Dol Guldor?

So, lets rethink this a little bit. Option one to rechanging your signature block is probably: "Almost all of the gates of Hell..." Option two might be: "My gates of Hell..." Option three could be "80 percent of the gates of Hell..."

I think you get the drift. I do not want to step on your artistic and literary toes any longer, and I allow you the leeway of rethinking and reformulating your signature block as you may desire.

Pearly

[Nightsbane]

Wow, thanks Pearly, thats 20 seconds of my life wasted reading that garbage.

Perhaps you should take pause and reminisce how easy your capital fell, as did that of the Corsairs. Even with Southern Gondors aid you still cant take it back. Worry about my signature when your team irons out its own obvious problems

[Pearly]

Ah my "piqued" little Nightsbane,

If I have wasted 20 seconds of your life, let me repay you one cigarette's worth of time. If you promise me not to smoke it, you will have regained the lost portion of your life.

As for any hypocracy regarding the FP lost capitals, we do not make the guarantee that our "gates to Utopia" are always open. In fact we run a democracy, and we shut our doors at 1700 each day!

Pearly

[Nightsbane]

Ok now that made it all worth while :) May you die well!!

[vandal]

I for my part shall just continue my killing spree and see what happens

Oh come on now where is all your gold no strain at all picking pockets in your cities.

Vandal

[Er Murazor]

Perhaps you should take pause and reminisce how easy your capital fell, as did that of the Corsairs. Even with Southern Gondors aid you still cant take it back.

WEEEEEEELLL that is something that Still has to be seen.
Right now DS will loose another 2 towns hehehehe and well, your troops in the south are going down.

Ricard
Southern Gondor

[Nightsbane]

Ive heard that before Ricard, I kicked you out once...Ill do it again, your threats much like your troops are meaningless to me.

[Er Murazor]

You kicked me? when? where?

OOOOH you mean my 4 comanders killed by assassins which disvanded about 4000 troops in total in the south? I'm afraid that is not your action ... but anyway you and Harad with more than 5000 Hc and assassins have only been able to get Havens of umbar ... that is fine for me.

SG

[Nightsbane]

5000 troops?...your numbers are wrong as usual. And yes you had commanders killed after the fact, or the 1200 HC 800 HI I just rocked were figments of my imagination? Ive withstood your attacks and the Corsairs..and I will continue, just give it up...
Please stop your huffing and puffing you wont blow my Havens down...Id look at it this way between the 6000 troops you have sent down there and the 4000 troops the Corsairs had and you havent been able to take back havens.,..thats fine by me ;)

[vandal]

Well I dont huff or puff, do you hear me my Gondor chap your very dead, want to bet on it?

I will give you odds if you like to spice it up?

Vandal

[vandal]

Well just as I am as mean and nasty and you dont seem to care lets see how long I can stay and play and you cannnot sell build or anything else

Vandal

[lsd]

To the BS player in game 30

Can you explain why it took you 18 turns to get your STARTING army into combat? Got lost? Taught it was a good idea (laugh!)? Really would love to know the thought process behind this decision.

How much did it cost you? - 200k - 300k - a lot!

Strangest decision I've ever seen for the use of the STARTING BS ARMY! TURN 18 IT GETS INTO COMBAT!!

Enion

[Er Murazor]

I'm sure they have FAR MORE important matters to think about ... they are loosing pop centers with an increbile speed, if not tell WK jo jo jo

By the way Harad must hate me.
1 army overruned
1 character captured
1 town captured

Good good!!!

Cheers
Ricard
SG.-
:D

[vandal]

Hey how come you pick on the rest am I to tough for you?

Vandal

[Bobo]

"Can you explain why it took you 18 turns to get your STARTING army into combat? Got lost? Taught it was a good idea (laugh!)? Really would love to know the thought process behind this decision."

Well, at least they got see the beautiful lakeside shores of Shrel-Kain before their pathetic purposeless death. Hope it was worth the wait.

[vandal]

Whats wrong with taking the scenice route?

Vandal

[lsd]

Whats wrong with taking the scenice route?

Nothing! You guys just keep playing the way you are now don't change a thing.

You've lost both FK & WK looks like you guys are playing a stormer!

Enion of Dunland (and proud owner of Carach Angren - hello to Lamthanc btw!)

[vandal]

Many thanks dont mind if I do, so since you seem to be claiming victory whats your wager?

Vandal

[lsd]

Don't believe I have ever said nor intimated that we are going to win...something on your mind? something preying on it perhaps?

Wager? tell you what I'm now selling ski holidays from the beautiful resort Carach Angren. Amongst its many attractions is a real live dragon & its untouched by war (yet....). I'm willing to wager a timeshare in one of the dingier parts of Angren - sufficient?

Enion, your friendly travel agent

[vandal]

OH glad to see you are not of the mind you are going to win, thoughnas its not a win or a loss you going for the draw?

Never seen that should be fun, can I sell tickets?

Vandal

[lsd]

OH glad to see you are not of the mind you are going to win

No I didn't say that either, you really should pay more attention to what people say and less to what you think people say

Never seen that should be fun, can I sell tickets?

Yes absolutely believe the crater that was Morannon (City/Keep now a ruin/fort) needs someone to move in there

Btw care to take any bets as to where the next hammer blow is going to land? Thats 3 Capitols in as many turns

Enion, still lord and master of Carach Angren (you know the place where the relief army with dragon was halted)

PS to the Dog Lord - economy looking pretty weak this turn - no?

[vandal]

Perhaps you can clarify for the record what you did say so we can compare?

Seems you like me have no idea

Vandal

[lsd]

"Perhaps you can clarify for the record what you did say so we can compare?" - absolutely! the following is what I said

Nothing! You guys just keep playing the way you are now don't change a thing.

You've lost both FK & WK looks like you guys are playing a stormer!

Now is this too hard for you to understand? maybe if I kept things real simple for you, you might understand...then again you might not...its worth the chance I think

You've lost two nations, keep playing the way you've been playing - Please!!

Enion

[vandal]

Ok sure will just to keep you happy

Anything else you need to keep you happy?

Vandal

[lsd]

A pint, some fit girls and a couple of million would do the trick, can you help out????

[vandal]

Will send post haste, with guards though my guards have a habit of not living to long so lets hope they get to you.

Vandal

[jasonab]

Ok, DS, it's time to throw in the towel. Let's look at the situation:

12 FP nations (including 2 neutrals)
Out: No one

13 DS nations (including 3 neutrals)
Out: WK, FK, Rhuduar
Crippled: DogL, DragL, Harad

Or, in other words, almost half your side is combat ineffective, and you've done no damage to the FP. You haven't even burned a single MT in the EOPlex!

It's been a good game, guys, but I'm afraid your time has passed.

[vandal]

Do you really think we will give up that easy?

If you want our heads come and get them and dont think we will just lay down and die.

Its easy to call it lets see you do it

Vandal

[Er Murazor]

Well ...

It's just what is happening, no? jajajajaaj because what have you done anyway?

Ricard
SG

[herman]

Vandal,
I think he has just called it as he sees we have done it, so far. So what are you guys doing to stop us? Can't see much happening.

Regards Herman ;)

[Nightsbane]

Well fact remains that currently we dont view the game as you seem to. Hence we will not be dropping. If you are bored then quit, otherwise just play the game.

[Pearly]

Its a one week turn around, so boredoom is not an issue. AR, CA, DU, and NE players can march/sail to the fight twice as fast as normal.

The longer you stay in the game, the longer we get to improve our character skills. We have an abundance of doulbe scouters at +50 rank. The curse squad is coming. Elf knives are now sharp enough. You have already seen our multiple emmy teams in action. After we throw together a dragonslayer or two to wander around the Misties, what is left to do? The answer is: continue to practice the FP character game.

Forgive the long message, but I want to point out the DS's obstacles to Vandal.

First, let me congratulate the DS on what has been a very good early and middle game. At one point or another you had CO, NG, CA and WM literally on their knees. It sounds like you played the market game successfully several times. WK stayed in the game for a very long time, and Dragon appears to still be in the game.

NG was a good fight for the DS, but the nation has now been picked up by one of the other FP starting players. NG still has comms and emmys in relative abundance. The nation won't ever be one of the big dogs again. However I do not believe you are going to squeeze NG out of the game. I doubt you believe any other FP nation is teetering on the edge any more.

You guys just don't seem to be in a position to mount a sustained offensive game at this point. The FP treasuries are staying at about zero, and the market prices stink. That is not an accident. Where do you foresee you will get the gold you need?

Easterling alone seems to be able to get a lot of troops together, but he can only help relieve the heat for so long. Nice run up to Rhubar, by the way. The military game is over in the sense that you cannot field any maneuvarable armies (again except Easterling). The FP will just continue to plow forward with 5000HI hordes and 30point backup comms...

We are not bored, we are just looking for a fight.

Woody

[vandal]

If he has done it then you have won the game, as thats what he has called.

Fine you may have the edge but seen sides come back from worse.

I simple say put your money where your mouth is, you called it, if you have won how many turns to need to mop up?

I dont think you have won and will match whatever you want to put up, but of course expect odds since you have called the victory.

Gloat as you like but expect a sharp come back when you claim you have won and have yet to do so.

I AWAIT YOUR REPLY VERY EAGERLY

Vandal

[Pearly]

You are correct in that there are numerous games where the loosing side has turned the table. Many of those games are similar to the situation we are facing now. But lets be honest, alot of those turn-arounds happen because players on the team with the upper hand decide to drop and move on to other games.

I am not blowing sunshine up your skirt when I state unequivically that none of the FP nations that remain are going to drop out. And the majority of remaing FP players are quite happy to play the character game, knowing that the military side of the house is already in the bag.

[Nightsbane]

Pearly, very well put and I appricate the lack of pompous bravado in your posts, adding that is a rather distasteful measure. All in all however, we have as a team discussed this and simply are not ready to throw in the towel. Do we plan to fight to the bitter end in a hope to cost people money?, thats not my plan. But right now I think we wish to muddle through.

[jasonab]

No problem, guys, we totally respect that. Good luck in the fight to the finish.

[vandal]

Hey how many teeams moan when the other side drop, dont expect us to, let the fun and games carry on and lets see how it pans out

If you win so be it but if we do expect some ribbing

Vandal

[herman]

Ribbing, if we blow this from here we will damned well deserve roasting. ;)

Regards Herman :)

[vandal]

Forgive me if I start to light the fires but I can feel it ARE THE WINDS OF WAR ABOUT TO CHANGE.

Vandal

[Pearly]

Here is the way I see it. Admittedly I have not read the pdf from SG and CO, but I have read the nations' turn reports.

Gold thefts:
FP: 3 for 7416
DS: 2 for 8932

Assassination/challenge:
FP: 5
DS: 7

POPCEN changes:
FP: V, T, T, MT, MT, MT
net: 18 levels
DS: MT
net: 3 levels
And I bet we built more camps than you did.

Granted the economy slid away from us a little, how many MTs do you think you can continue to lose?

Once again Easterling looks to be the only DS nation doing well. Harad gets a bit of a breather, but I bet he is not feeling too comfortable yet.

The FP will be very happy indeed if we can keep these ratios up for the next 4 or 5 turns.

Pearly

[vandal]

Well go forth and read them then I say unto you.

Hey we can go on as long as it takes

You still have to knock us ut and do not think your agents can match ours as you are about to find out

Vandal

[herman]

Vandal we don't need to match you, your three nations down as of turn 21 that's 63 characters less, thats 126 less orders. You are hemned in at Mordor, our emmys are taking pops at will so a lot of your agent ability will be locked up inside your own pops looking after them while are armies are free to wander up to Mordor. There is not a huge amount you guys will be able to do to stop us all, we now outnumber you and have cursers comming online to drive the nail into the coffin. Play on by all means, it just means our victory will be that much larger.

Regards Herman ;)

[vandal]

Well of course we play on as I have places to go and people to kill before I sleep.

Vandal

[vandal]

Oh now did South Gondor feel left out?

Dont worry you will be joining your Northern buddy and the price will be high.

Did the corsairs feel the heat? that was just a mild blast.

If you think we are dropping think again we have miles to go before we sleep

Vandal

[herman]

Vandal,
that's half the problem, your defence is putting us to sleep. ;)



Regards Herman :D

[vandal]

Good to see its working then

you know us all sneaky and such, we are waiting to catch you sleeping and as its working well lets get on and do it I say

Vandal

[Pearly]

Vandal,

I have not heard much from you this turn. Please tell us that you were not playing the now defunct Dark Lieutenants that just left the game?

The DS did good work with their knives this turn. The FP got a couple as well. If the DS hadn't lost another 21 character slots this turn, I would have said last turn went to you guys.

Allthough we are also getting the economy back into play. Did EAST get his mithril buyout through?

Pearly

[Nightsbane]

Mithril buyout?? Umm ok someone must have forgotten to tell me bout that one, Ill just blame you vandal, remind me next time about the secret mithirl buyout. The only thing Easterlings saw 2 assassins fail to hit their marks, oh and a loss of a pop or 2, nothing serious.
Meanwhile NG seems to be the first Freep causality, and not to be the last

[vandal]

Ummmmmmmmmmm well nobody told me we had that in mind is this a secret double cross that went wrong as we dont know about it either?

I think I am still playing as I did naughty things to the good side and plan to do a few more, though of course if I live is another matter.

As regards the course of play well lets see how you deal with the loss of a few more of the good guys.

Its party time and you are invited though you happen to be the main course.

So lets party on and see how you gloat in a few more turns.

Oh I am going to do some very naughty things to you.

By the way did those eleven agents see me or do I get my revenge this go?

Vandal

[herman]

Guys if your not careful we will get the enforced 3 to 1 victory the way things are going. While you guys are picking on the two weak nations dicking around we are comming in through the front door. Ahhh maybe you should concentrate on saving Mordor if you want to play on for a protracted time. JMO.


Regards Herman ;)

[Nightsbane]

Thanks for the advice and all, as usual, this coming through the front door, musta missed that with the secret mithril buyout I had, shucks. As for 3 to 1 rule, you kiddies are still quite a ways from that, considering you havent even reached a 2 to 1 ratio yet. Keep trying.

[vandal]

Well how many turns do you need to claim it or shall we just come kick your **** and see how you like it?

Dont like it up them I have heard it said and it seems to be true

Vandal

[herman]

:D
Yes but we hope to add another couple to the list of ex DS nations in the next three turns. I don't think you will be able to do too much to stop us.

Regards Herman :cool:

[Pearly]

Oh crap, no Easterling/DS mithril buyout. I guess Easterling must be using his mithril to make horseshoes. Watch out for those horseshoes. They get very dinged up after a little running around the coutryside.

[Nightsbane]

Or I could be selling it on the black market so your women can forge combs for their beards.

[Pearly]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

My beard, your horse's tail...

Hey Stubby, I think Nightsbane is taking a pot-shot at you.

[Nightsbane]

Woodmen dwarves whichever, both scream like little women under my hooves ;)

[vandal]

I just like hearing them scream lets see if we got it right this go or not

Vandal

[Pearly]

Judging from your lack of success at 2212, I would say "NOT"

BTW, OSRIC got an interesting SAURON encounter this turn. He uttered something about, "If you want to get a job done right..." He then proceeded to kick the COMM's ass, just because the rest of the Nazgul couldn't seem to do it themselves.

I see the EAST showed up for the party in the Iron Hills. Thank goodness someone on the DS side can still muster troops someplace other than their capital hex. I guess the mithril horseshoes really do make a difference.

:p

[Nightsbane]

party?? bring your bearded women and find out...I wonder if they can carry me to 2711

[lsd]

DS (those that are left)

Dragon Lord loses his capital, Dog Lord barely survives another relocation (and after the movers nearly lost his baggage last time out not sure if he was willing to move again) & the Ice King getting some attention this turn not the best of turns for you guys.....

One question for the Ice King - why move 2,000 troops with a dragon to take 3026 which is a mere camp/tower? Not exactly a war winning move (or to call a spade a spade, a pretty dumb move) now is it?

A question for all of you guys do we the free now own more real estate in Mordor than you guys?

Enion lord and master of Ostigurth & Minas Brethil

[Nightsbane]

Oh Duns you are still in the game? Sorry after seeing your mostly useless play this entire game almost forgot you were there.

Game is still not over, so guess you arent doing a good enough job..

[herman]

Yes all of our guys are still in the game, pitty the same can't be said of your side. Expect to loose another team mate in the next 2-4 turns if we get lucky it will be two team mates.


Regards Herman

[Pearly]

Well that was a little ugly for the Noldo. And the economy picked up. And we failed to take any MTs from the DS. All in all, I would call this your best turn yet.

Still, that's mostly due to factors external to the DS play. And most of those DS knives are at work in Mordor. That can't be a good thing for the DS.

Our lowest FP VP rank was 575 last turn, and that nation's VP rank stayed the same this turn. Does any DS nation have a VP rank higher?

[Nightsbane]

we have atleast 3 above 1000 that good enough??

[vandal]

Oh my elven chap did you not like it up you?

Well I know a spike often offends but at least you are dead now roasting on my spit.

Oh dear I hope you scouted that MT as I do love roast emmy almost as much as I love a agent or two.

If you think I am not going to stick it up a few more of you think again and learn the hard way we are far from done

Vandal

[lsd]

How is the Dragon Lord these days? Just watched a village/fort degrade to a camp/fort? Wouldn't/couldn't be the Dragon Lord is gone from the game??

Have you guys noticed how your agents are moving in ever decreasing circles? Ever noticed that we possess superior emissaries, we're taking 3/4 pop sites a turn you're taking 1 if that? Ever noticed how free armies just keep appearing to burn hitting the loyalties in all the other remaining pop sites?

How many pop sites do you guys have where the loyalty is less than 20?

A genuine question here: -

No-one doubts you've got teeth and no-one doubts you can go on for some time to come BUT

How are you going to win this game? Your kill rate is averaging 7/8 a turn thats just not enough, realistically you guys have to get it to 13/14 a turn to make an impact.

We will win this game by destroying you economically (assuming we do win of course!!!!)

I'm not asking you to quit (hoping you don't truth be told) I am asking you guys to answer a simple question

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WIN?

Enion ruler of 4 Mordorian pop sites

[Nightsbane]

Your stats mean nothing I would have you would understand that by now, apparently you dont. And as I can tell your most of your assassins took a nice dirt nap this turn, well nienor is out there yes, not to concerned otherwise ..yes your emmisaries are annoying, nothing we cant weather....

These armies you speak of? The dwarves Ill crush this turn, the NM I should do the same, dragons have a way of balancing out numbers...

So by all means try your war of economic superiority....we arent moving

[lsd]

Nightsbane

Agree with everything you said (well kind of) but you didn't answer the question - how are you going to win?

[Nightsbane]

Shh its a secret, if I told you well you know the idea

[Pearly]

DS Dragons?!?!?!?!

Why do the dragons keep showing up on the FP popcens? (And eating our emmy's. Why oh why do they insist on eating our emmys?).

And what are you using them for besides loyalty boosts. It's been close to 10 turns since the FP fought a dragon in a DS army. Maybe the Easterling's army with the mithril armor has one?

I think the DS dragons left this game with the DS Dragon Lord.

Pearly

[vandal]

If you can lose 7/8 top line characters a go and think the replacements can hurt me good luck to you.

Teethless wolves dont make me shake in my boots and emmies without cover are lambs to the slaughter.

But hey since My loyalties are rock high how much you want to bet you wont take the pop centre and then bet how many of you leave alive?

I am still going to spank you

Vandal

[herman]

While your Agents are out chasing our Emmys trying to protect your few remaining pop centres our nations are free to name replacements and our armies are unmolested to keep piling into Mordor. I really can't see you guys beating us from here, bar a major stuff up on our part.

Regards Herman

[Nightsbane]

hrmm armies, I think this turn is the first we have seen an army try to get into mordor for a while now...so far Im not really impressed sorry

[Pearly]

Well,

That is true Nightsbane. The DS stopped the last EO horde a couple of turns ago at the ruins of Morannon. Since then we only burned the Rhudaur and Harad popcens to the ground. It does take a little time to rebuild those 3000 horde army(s).

Vandal, you don't really believe you are stopping our emmy's though, do you? Are your teammates sharing their pdf's with you? Maybe the DS have found the lost "create MT" spell. I hate it when that happens.

Pearly ;)

[Nightsbane]

Agreed, and last time I checked Rhuduar has been out for several turns and neither Rhuduar or Harad are in Mordor. Perhaps these phantom armies Herman speaks of are just lost...that makes much more sense

[vandal]

Well much as I like to disprove your claims, having killed even more of you this go, you are boring me to death and thats no fun.

I am going to retire and leave you to claim victory as I can see you need it more than me.

Call it an early xmas present

Frank

[herman]

Vandal,
your true colours show at last. Even when defeated you don't have the courtesy to admit you are getting out because you know you are beaten. Instead we see that sanctamonius claptrap in your last post. Either admit your getting out because you don't want to have a loss against your name or put up and show some fortitude and play on if you really think you can win, or do the decent thing and conceed defeat. Dropping your position if none of your teammates are doing the same thing is gutless and weak. Prove me wrong Vandal.

Regards Herman

[jasonab]

Sheesh, vandal. You talk and talk about how you're winning even as DS nations are going down in flames, and then when it's 12v8, you pretend you're doing us some kind of favor.

Sore loser, eh? Ah, well, if your team really is dropping (and, frankly, I have my doubts), this is a win I can be proud of. Our team weathered adversity to strive forward to victory. Not quite as amazing as 231 (which was the most amazing comeback I've ever witnessed), but impressive in its down right.

jason

[Nightsbane]

Apparently you Freeps need to be taught how ribbing on a message board works, Im sorry that you seem to be taking it personal, perhaps spend less time patting yourselves on the back (atleast I hope its just your back), and spend more time being less serious about what Vandal says, grow up...

[herman]

Listen mate, when someone says hey I'm dropping I tend to believe them. If he is not dropping then why say anything. I don't mind a bit of ribbing on the boards but that was just plain stupid.
So you guys are going to turn this into a bug hunt are you?


Regards Herman (Say what you mean, mean what you say!)

[vandal]

Well the truth for me has nothing to do with game 30 and for my part I would play on as I still see victory is possible.

But for my part I dont agree with ME actions over a few other games and wish to register my protest by not playing the game.

If you can tell me how I can play the game and do the above I would be happy to kick you butt all day.

The notes are for show but since you take them to heart then I will stop

Vandal

[Nightsbane]

First off, a bug hunt usually means 1 or 2 nations left hopping around off your maps just being a pest, we have quite a few more than just 1 or 2 nations, you have done a decent job, not a super job of hurting us so dont inflate those egos just yet.

[herman]

Hey we are just preparing for the inevitable. ;)

Regards Herman


And considering the dramas we had early on in the piece we have done an outstanding job. (Blowing our own trumpet!) :p

[herman]

Vandal,
by all means express your displeasure at MEPBM, drop the game in question, list your grievances on the forum and instruct MEPBM that you will not be participating in any further games untill a satisfactory resolution is reached for all parties. Dropping this game at this stage would be most unfair on your teammates. At least play on till a replacement is certain.

Regards Herman

[vandal]

Herman having played on for many months being less than happy lets just say we all have a limit.

I do not like having personal e mails sent to me with death threats and insults and when I complain get booted from the game as it avoids further problems.

Now that seems very fair to me!

Nor do I appreciate taking the blame as Bruce Fox caused his side to drop as he could not deal with the fact I was on the other side.

I did not insult all the nuetrals causing them to join the other side yet I get threatened with being botted from the game to keep the peace.

Love me or hate me to a man they backed me in game 35 and to have to go to the extent of geting your team to back you over such a issue should not have to be done.

Alas my experience is that ME rather than face an issue try and moderate it and neither side is happy.

That is my experience only but if you play perhaps 10 plus positions why suffer when other games can be played.

As it happens I can leave now as I have been torn for a bit about this, but the action of another mean we are done for anyway.

Vandal

[herman]

Vandal,
I know we have had a couple of spats in the past but it never got overly serious. I know you can be very in your face and it seems some of the poeple in your other games have taken it far too seriously. To threaten anyone with physical harm of any sort is way out of line as far as I'm concerned. I for one will be sorry to see you go as most of your posts fire me up in some shape or form.


Regards Herman

[Nightsbane]

Actually, having confirred with my allies tonight we will be ending
this game. I will not go into public details as it could embarass
some, but there were some actions and accusations that caused the
finalized decision to drop, not primarily anything you guys may have think you forced us to do.



Good job freeps!! You played a decent game, under other circumstances we could have continued but....
I have played against Jason and Ron in one game in the past and that was a excellent freep team, Im sure we both could say had some things gone differently the
outcome would be different..but oh well...again congrats!! Kudos
mostly to the Ricard (SG and near the end Corsairs), you made this game
the most fun and by far in my book proved to be MVP with your play,
everything else just seemed textbook dogpile and nothing out of the ordinary...until next time!!


P.S. if you want details by all means email me

[jasonab]

Actually, having confirred with my allies tonight we will be ending
this game. I will not go into public details as it could embarass
some, but there were some actions and accusations that caused the
finalized decision to drop, not primarily anything you guys may have think you forced us to do.

Good job freeps!! You played a decent game, under other circumstances we could have continued but....


And thank you for being excellent opponents. I do believe we could have forced your hand in a few turns (eliminating the DogL, and possibly the IK and EA), I accept that you could have played on until then.


I have played against Jason and Ron in one game in the past and that was a excellent freep team, Im sure we both could say had some things gone differently the
outcome would be different..but oh well...again congrats!! Kudos


Game 135, I believe - an excellent game, for certain.

Thanks again for being excellent opponents, and I hope to play with/against you soon!

jason

[Nightsbane]

eliminate me?? Id love to hear how :) I woulda crushed that NM army..and still had 3 mtowns...

[jasonab]

Well, if you had 1200HC with st/st against the NM, you would have won, otherwise he would have burned your MT. Ricard was fueling up to burn your cap in 2 turns.

If you had another MT, you could have survived, but that would have pretty much eliminated your army threat.

jason

[Nightsbane]

well I had 1200 st/st calv at khand amu..

and like 2000 HC st/st at my capital...
4 mages with conjure mounts..I wasnt going anywhere me thinks ;)

anyways moot now :)

[jasonab]

well I had 1200 st/st calv at khand amu..

and like 2000 HC st/st at my capital...
4 mages with conjure mounts..I wasnt going anywhere me thinks ;)

anyways moot now :)

Too true. I'll have to work harder getting you on my side next time. :cool:

Oh, I think we played in 138 as well - same group seems to play all the 1wkers.

jason

[Nightsbane]

we did another one weeker, those who tried to recruit me did their best, but like I said alot of factors chose otherwise, nothing to talk about here, as I dont wish to publically slam anyone..but Im free for private commentary ;)

[Pearly]

I guarantee you that the FPs had internal issues, most likely similar to those within the DS camp.

Gondor feuds, complete lack of trust of the CO for 10 turns. Egos squabbling over perceived slights. The EO quit talking to anyone about 2 months ago. To name a few examples.

Everyone that stayed on the FP side, and kept the doors of communication open, did a great job. We have faced several coordination problems, but these were overcome by the efforts of the majority to try and try again.

Pearly

[Nightsbane]

hrmm what I understand is u got most of the problem people to drop, you had 3 people playing 2 nations a piece, we didnt have that luxury

[Er Murazor]

Hello all

It has been quite an interesting game from my point of view.
I have passed from having All southern Harad + some QA pops and sending armies towards Easterlings, to finish with no armies but few comanders and Ds emissairs trying to influence my pops away.

Damn Easterlings!! I have killed thousands of armored Heavy cavalry !!! jajaja
It has been really satisfying to see how in that area DS have played really fine.
My congrats and respect for EA and QA, but notice that if it was not for EA, all the south would had been cleaned with no trouble.

NightsBane, how many HC units have you sent to my area?

Ricard
SG

[Nightsbane]

laff too damn many, not enough war machines tho :)

[herman]

It seems a sh!tty way to win a game, which is why I play grudge most of the time. The teams very rarely fall apart as you know the guys before you go into the game. It is a lot harder too as it is kill or be killed from the get go. Try playing Rhudaur, Witch King or Harad in a grudge environment, short life expectancy! Thouroghly enjoyed it, copped a bit of attention at my capital for a bit which made life damned uncomfortable for a while (if you had of continued for another couple of turns I would have busted through lack of funds) 1 weekers are definatly the way to go, I hate wating the exra week for turn arounds. Hope to see you all on the battle fields in the future.

Regards Herman (Cardolan #30, Corsairs #33, Arthedain #1)

[Er Murazor]

Well ...

I have been in the last 5 one week games. ... I can bet We will meet again in the next one.

Cheers
Ricard
SG

[vandal]

Darned good game I wish in a way we could have played on as no way in hell was the IK going down.

Just would have liked to prove you wrong on that score.

Myself I do not see you knocking me out but now we will never know.

Now its done and dusted great game and one I was more than happy with for the most part, but I am sure if you e mail the easterlings they will fill you in on the one dark spot.

Congrats anyway.

Vandal