Game 56 starts

[garethgillingham]

Hi to all players in this game,

Hope to hear from all regarding the matters at hand

good luck and good gaming to all

Gareth Gillingham - Corsairs 56

garethjgillingham@yahoo.co.uk

[andersm73]

Hi All

I'm playing the CL in this game and can be contacted at andersm73@yahoo.co.uk

cheers
Matt Anderson

[Dr J]

Dark Lts checking in. Greetings to all unaligned nations. Death to all those who foolishly serve the forces of good.

[Ian Etchells]

Hi all,

Nice to see some familiar faces. Hope you do well as the Dark Lieutenants Joseph.

The Quiet Avenger is signing in. I will be contacting the neutrals to see how the dark side can assist you in your endevers.

I can be contacted at ianetchells2003@yahoo.co.uk

Good gaming,

Ian

[donvant]

Greetings. Dragonlord checking in. I can be contacted at donvant@peoplepc.com. Looking forward to a good game.

Don

[smuller]

greetings,
i have come to kick a$$ and chew bubble gum, and i'm all outta gum. a green mountain boy and a son of colorado. its a shame i'm gonna have your heads on pig poles. i enjoyed the berkshires, and i love the colorado rockies. more fresh powder for me.
neutrals, strength, power and victory are my selling points. join and partake of all three.
sm# 6

[guisec]

I'm sorry S.Muller but what on earth was that message about? I've come here to kick a$$ and chew bubblegum, you haven't been watching the film 'they live' have you? If so then why choose one of the worst quotes from one of the worst films in your introductory message? Have you got some shades that show you where the DS agents are to avoid cloud lord assassins?

Apologies to anyone who hasn't seen the film as this won't mean anyhting to you, however, you're very lucky to have missed it.

Anyway, can we have a more coherent message from the free peoples next please? So far the DS have shown great communication and I'd like to see something more substantial from the free (but thanks to the sinda for his e-mail).

Good luck to everyone in the game,

Chris Guise (dunlendings)
hugecrisis@hotmail.com

[American-Iron]

Come On Now Guy,

That movie was a classic to a pimple faced thirteen yearold. Rowdy Roddy and the Dark fellow putting on a worse fight then Rocky and Mr.T?:D
Big Doug Checking in on the side of the Dark forces. Rhun get ready. To quote another old movie " I love Beach Front Property, How about Austrialia?"
See ya soon on the field of Doom!;)
Douglas

[Ian Etchells]

smuller says "strength, power and victory are my selling points"

So nice of him to conceed already to the forces of Sauron cause he won't have any of the above :-)

Ian
QA

[vandal]

Easterlings signing in.

Not known for sitting about to long and with a thirst for mayhem

We can be contacted at f_redmond@hotmail.com

Vandal

[seejaie]

Sinda checking in. Good to see so many familiar faces. I am, for the time being, seejaie@rice.edu though I will have a new email sooner rather than later. I enjoy long walks through the woods, archery, and nighttime revels. I don't enjoy quoting movies. What more is there to say about me? If your neutral, feel free to ask.

cj

[smuller]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by guisec
[B]I'm sorry S.Muller but what on earth was that message about? I've come here to kick a$$ and chew bubblegum, you haven't been watching the film 'they live' have you? If so then why choose one of the worst quotes from one of the worst films in your introductory message? Have you got some shades that show you where the DS agents are to avoid cloud lord assassins?


wow, you know alot about a movie you despise. i happen to like carpenters idea's, but he can real weak on execution( "they live" was a local channel, and mr piper was twice the actor tom hanks could ever be). ah well how about this then:

the king of gondor bids greetings to all who inhabit this middle earth. we, the men of gondor, will demonstrate through victory in the test of arms, the strength of our cause. we look foward to meeting with your emmisaries, so we may speak of the reasons your 5 nations will flourish in this world, where darkness has no home. send your heralds, we await your council.

sm for tarandor, king of gondor.

on a practical note, yes i know where ji indurs minions lurk. inside mordor, scout/following the legions of gondor as we redevelop mordor proper. strip malls, fast food, condos and co-ops for everyone. douglas, you #20. most excellent my friend. i wont be removing the fort at 3124. :)

[guisec]

I wouldn't say I despise the movie, even though it probably is one of the worst movies ever made it's still entertaining (falling into the category of 'it's so bad it's actually quite funny'). My apologies to fans of the movie. I've only ever seen it once but it tends to hang around in your memory (kind of like a bad smell).

Sm, hope you have fun as N.gondor. I'm looking forward to your turn reports already. If you do manage to modernise mordor can I open up some McDunlands fast food establishments (high fat, low nutrition orc burgers)?

Chris (dunland)

[rickedorsey]

Woodies checking in. :) :o
Last game I was in only lasted 11 turns, woodies were out after turn 2. I am betting this one will go much longer and I guarantee the Woodies will be here for the long run!
Freeps are just getting organized, but we seem to have a good communication website going and lots of good plans.

Good gaming to all.

[Ian Etchells]

Woodies checking in.
Last game I was in only lasted 11 turns, woodies were out after turn 2. I am betting this one will go much longer and I guarantee the Woodies will be here for the long run!



Tell me was that game 13. Cause if it was I'm about to give you another beating :p

Ian
QA - Game 56

(was DkL game 13)

[guisec]

Hi Rick,

I'm sure it was you in game 13, were you the player that ended up controling three nations at the end due to drop outs on your side? I was the Dragon lord in that game and the woodies misfortune was great for me. I'm sure it was you who stuck things out as long as possible, I have a lot of respect for someone who is willing to take on two dropped positions to try and keep the game going, I really hope you have a better game this time.

Best of luck,

Chris Guise (Dunland)

P.S. Ian, I'm expecting big things from you now given you have assured us all your QA position is going to give the woodmen a beating. It's a long way to travel ;)

[Ian Etchells]

Hi Chris,

:) Yes its a long way to travel but i think the effort will be worth it. I'll have to go though the Gondor's first, then the Sinda before i get to the Woodees or i could take a more indirect route.

No matter which route i take it should be fun getting there. :p

Yes i take my hat off to Rick for not giving up in game 13, he played really well, shame most of his side let him down, lets hope we all have a good game in 56.

First turns are due in soon, let battle commence and the camping start - i am playing QA :D

Ian

[Michaelj018]

The Haradwaith checking in all diplomatic welcome, Mike.

[Ian Etchells]

Hi Mike,

Salutations,

The QA wish to converse with the mighty Harad please let me know what your email address is, so that i can write to you away from the prying eyes of those pesky Elf's and their lackys.

My email address by the way is ianetchells2003@yahoo.co.uk

I hope you can join us in our liberation of Middle Earth, cleansing it of those who attend flower arranging lessons and such like.

Ian
QA

[smuller]

my dear sweet ian,
quietly avenging?
marching your way through gondor?
oh please. camp away my friend, for i shall make adunaphal a pleasure servant for my armies of occupation when i remodel mordor. your head, a pig pole, and the ithil bridges. need a better picture, your a brit, visit london, same-same.
we men of gondor have mastered in the game of the sweet lies the servants of sauron spew. 'tis hard to speak with a steel shaft down your throat.
i look foward to visiting your lands, i don't book appointments i can't make.
sm# 6

harad and corsairs, i'll let my armies ravaging the avenger do my talking. she'll no doubt, want you to fight for her, as she leads, from the rear, with the gear. so many fronts, so litttle time.

[Ian Etchells]

Dear smuller,

Thank you so very much for paying me the compliments of you wanting to visit pleasure location. Bookings arn't necessary, you will be met with dignity and Adunaphal will be delighted to see you.

If you send forces her way then she will take it as a moral victory, as this means your weakened forces in the passes will be easily defeated.

She looks forward to your visit and has ordered the very best suite in the grandest hotel for your accommondation. Sorry all out of dungeons at the moment, having them relocated from London.

Of course we the Dark Side would want the mighty Harad and the rampaging Corsairs to fight with (not for) us in our liberation of Middle Earth. Who wouldn't???

Yours,

Quietly avenging

Ian

[Michaelj018]

To all,

This is my email address Michaelj018@aol.com

[garethgillingham]

And how many others are there from game 13 are there in this game?

I have to admit to playing the fire king in game 13 so I'm looking for foes who I think did well

Gareth Corsairs

[seejaie]

For that matter, how many of us are refugees from the late, premature game 16? I was the Lucky Avenger.

cj

[garethgillingham]

Whats the news then, who's struck where?, who issued E instead of W and vice versa? and that sort of thing

Gareth

[smuller]

2 freeps on vaction, so we dont have full reports. but the mirkwood types went uder aggressive, revealing 2514( bummer) and can take it. not much the free side can do about it. dragon lord arrived at 2508, and witch king double teamed 2405, moving his mounted troops to 2405, and his 2305 army into 2406 to block. murazor revealed 2514.
elsewhere the fire king arrived at 3124, the long rider did some unusual stuff. (northern harad, no hits o nthe northmen?) eothraim suffered no losses, and the evils stacked at 3120, but nobody shined.
turn 2 should be interesting, as both sides opening moves revealed little about there plans.

sm#6

[smuller]

ah, that should read " mirkwood types went ultra aggressive"

[garethgillingham]

quite possibly the line about 3120 should read the evils stacked at 3120, but nobody Showed?

interesting reading the dragon lord gains a major town to balance goblin gate? or did none of the free arrive there?

It'd be nice to hear from those who haven't talked to me if those who read this forum can pass the message that i'd like to talk to those allies that I haven't already.

cheers

Gareth

[Ian Etchells]

Well certainly the Eothraim didn't shine that last turn, lets see if they will the next.

Nope Goblin Gate is free of armies, ours, theirs and everyones. The DrL gains a MT and maybe even a Town (close call) next turn. How about the turn after????

It should be an interesting 1 ;)

All the best to my friends.

Ian
QA

[rickedorsey]

Hi all,

Woodies here. Things are looking dark temporarily, but the woodies will end up in the light. WK and DrL made aggressive moves, but we will win in the end. I may lose a town or two, but I have never SS'd in the many games I've played. My allies and I will hunt down the dark side armies and skewer them one-at-a-time!

[donvant]

Of course things look Dark right now, it's a Black Tide of my minions about to swallow you down. The only light you'll end up in, will be the flames of your destroyed holdings. You haven't even seen "aggressive", yet........

Oh yeah, "good luck to you".

Don/Dragonlord

[vandal]

Well the Earsterlings have listened and we have made up our mind on a course of action, you may find that chosen to be interesting though

Vandal

[American-Iron]

SMullers,

You blasted bugger. 16 was so much fun and now I find myself facing much of my old friends :eek: Oh well. Yes opening was odd wasn't it. Notice that bridge missing. Now so will your town. Only you won't be there to fight back.
The Northmen need not worry I won't allow them to get to bored. The big deal will be with Vandal. He is a tricky one ;) I guess the next few will be more fun then the usual openings. I trust all is well with my buddies from 16 except that your on the wrong side :) Looking forward to locking horns. I gotta say that Mordor is in for a shyt sandwich with that ole dog Mullers marching. You fellows from 16 ever grudge keep me in mind. That was the most team fun I have had yet. Grudge games haven't even come close. I salute you my brothers and now to plot your deaths :D
Douglas

[vandal]

Someone is going to get a good spanking and make no mistake

Vandal

[Ian Etchells]

An interesting turn.

I turn my back for 5 minutes to wash my hair.....yes yes us baddies still need to wash our hair.....blood colour of course and what do I find but a sneeky low level underhand move by the SG by forcemarching his cavalry to my one and only town...........nice move! Are you sure your not DS in disguise?

Apart from that an ordinary turn from the QA point of view.

Named 3 new characters....but heres the clinch I am really really peeved off :( about the fact that someone has already named one of their characters Susan. Come on who is it? Own up now!!!

More later

Ian
QA

[smuller]

baddie types..
trashing the bridge was poor sportsmanship. its a very solid move, but really, 10k in timber to rebuild, and it goes down that easy? can i reduce 10l in timber worth of mordor defenses so easily. none the less, hardship makes victory sweeter.
the 20k to hire 400 extra hc for the witch king, douglas, that you?
INSPIRED MOVE! expensive, but it appears 2508 is yours. the bobn and weave around 2406 was nice work. Tactics in angmar/mirkwood take a step foward(perhaps).
long rider, blowing the bridge saved you at 3028, go ahead and rejoyce, but dont for a second think the last word has been written on the anduin valley. i hold the high ground, and the fire king has erred in great fashion. n gondor holds great resources, and they have been marshalled.
this game is fun, with great promise, see you next turn.( or sooner)
vandal, who are you? your dragon lord / witch king play is inspired, but the next two turns are crucial in both regions. i dont have enough info yet on other places, but we shall see in short order.

sm#6

[seejaie]

And so the definitive chronicles of trash talk of the third age went in the legendary game 56 of 2004. There are some who said that it was the hoary titans of olde who were the bread and butter of that game - herding orc, man, and newb across the pixelated board to make nerd war until the end of time. But no, my elven warriors, I know the truth. While the Witch King and Dragon Lord might be "inspired," and erstwhile allies from game 16 have sent many letters to defeat our entreaties, noone can take away the fact that Mirkwood will be ours. Just as the sea swallows the land, there is little innovation but great inevitability in how these elven fingers play the sweet dirge of death! <insert long, annoying, filchy song here> There are fifty-two ways to defeat Sauron. One and two are the same and they both work as well. I would write another song in honor of my lost city, but there is laundry to do.

May your grave be well tended while I am still immortally young,
Thranduil of the Sinda

[American-Iron]

:cool:
SMullers My Main Dog,

We won't be clashing soon as I will slash and burn :) Will wreak havoc and bounce. I feel sorry for the Anduin dudes as you will test them sorely I'm sure. I figured the bridge was the best chance I could give my mates. I will have bigger fish to fry. I will pester you in you far flung areas like warfinger but you don't really care :D . As I stated earlier any of the Dogs of War from 16 plus a few hammers I've felt along side my head want to grudge let's get ugly.
Harad and Easterlings will soon move in a great assault. Trouble is they only know who the victims will be. Corsairs I have yet to hear any news at all But alas I'm am a small and minor player in the world of Darkness. Now Angmar is the place to be so say the soothe sayers but alas I'm not there but in the Rhun area.
Northmen I need a base of operations and I was wondering if maybe you might sell me Dilgil? You have so many pops and allies and I have a lonely mountain. Be a chum and help a nazgul out. Our maybe the Sinda would like to get away from the Rhun area? Just a waste of characters really isn't it? :p
Really guys It's great to be at battle with my homedogs ;) Looking forward to beating each other to a pulp. Hopefully I willl do better then you of course :p
Big Doug

[retrorotty]

Hey Big Doug, just keep them long bony fingers out of the Iron Hills, dont want to drop a big heavy hammer on them do I.

Bain.

[American-Iron]

:confused:
Damn another budro on the wrong side :mad:
Listen my dear friends and hear the ill rantings of one purplexed putz.
First I'm told I'm threatening people I haven't even spoken too then told to keep my tone down. :eek: I ask you my fellow head bangers what is a Barbarian to do? I guess I will just go and do as my father taught me. Kill them all and let the slaves sortem out :p I will be out and out in force. Since I can't afford anything but my own troopers I guess my list of enemies just got bigger. I wonder if my team will pay-off the demands of the Harad-Easterlings axis? I can't They wanted the emissary artifact and I don't have one. Then they wanted something else but I can't remember. I guess this will be the first game I've seen the Easterlings go free. Or will they stay neutral waiting for the freeps to deliver their package? No big deal. Let's see Dwarves, Eothraim, Sinda, Northmen, Easterlings, and Harad. Sounds about even :p Someone said they don't take to threats well and love a challenge. Well if this is one then declare this turn and let's go because I'm not giving out spit because I don't have it to give and since everyone in this game has a lot of experience let's not waste the sunshine on our arses. :rolleyes:
Come one - Come all - Looking forward to having a ball. Besides after this game there is always another ;)
Big Doug

[smuller]

Come one - Come all - Looking forward to having a ball. Besides after this game there is always another ;)

indeed,
im more concerned about a good game then anything else. blowing the bridge was a nice move. seems a shame you can remove 10k in timber worth of bridge much easier 10k in timber of forts. no matter, thanks for telling the baddies about the play book.
of course, like any good play book, theres version 2.0. enjoy the beating your gonna recieve in the next few turns in mirkwood and then in angmar. i do believe you've hit your high water mark in many places.
since your monies tight, i'll save you some postage.anything you want me to the avenger while we kick her senseless.

sm#6

[Ian Etchells]

smuller says "anything you want me to the avenger while we kick her senseless."

Lol....you having a laugh. Do you mean that 1 SG cavalry army thats down my way, it's already been dealt with, it just doesn't know it yet. What can it do take 1 pc per turn when I can create lots & lots, seems fair to me.

And are we going to receive a beating in Mirkwood? Who's going to give it? The Woodmen-nope, the Sinda-who are you kidding, the Dwarfs-maybe but they may want to stay at home to keep whats theirs first or were you thinking of the Eothraim coming to the rescue and leaving the Eoplex supermarket open to business, I think not.

By the way we've gone through v3.0 of the book and are now on v4.2, just thought I would let you know. And it's just standard practice to take down bridges (good training too).

Ian
QA

[smuller]

Lol....you having a laugh. Do you mean that 1 SG cavalry army thats down my way, it's already been dealt with, it just doesn't know it yet. What can it do take 1 pc per turn when I can create lots & lots, seems fair to me.

And are we going to receive a beating in Mirkwood? Who's going to give it? The Woodmen-nope, the Sinda-who are you kidding, the Dwarfs-maybe but they may want to stay at home to keep whats theirs first or were you thinking of the Eothraim coming to the rescue and leaving the Eoplex supermarket open to business, I think not.

By the way we've gone through v3.0 of the book and are now on v4.2, just thought I would let you know. And it's just standard practice to take down bridges (good training too).

Ian
QA[/QUOTE]


theres a lot here, so shall we go paragraph by paragraph..
1) maybe, but maybe not. 765 to backup commander, 2 pop centers a turn.
tough to post loyality 15 camps, when your losing pop centers. but i could be wrong.

2) mirkwood>> credit where due, but easy sparky. taking 2508 is nice, ( 20k from the witch king for horse and leather musta hurt Douglas.) but after 2508, i dont see a lot of bad guy troops in the area. take it? oh, a dragon lord commader, town with loyality of what 15. burn it? thats why we have emmsiaries. DWARVES>> is this the part where the rhudar and duns move up to attack 2212, after murazor reveals it? thats kinda version 1.0 stuff. EOTHRAIM>> last time i checked, you were no where near the eoplex, 3120 region is rather crowded. hows the accounting department enjoying the fiscal wrecks your making of your nations? please, oh please, try a buyout. 315 buy, 320/325 sell. a little teamwide sales discipline goes a long way. plenty of bronze and steel to sell here, for a long time.

3) versions 3.0-4.2>>> at first i was under the impression, you guys were on our mailing list, but your using the newer versions. lets see if you read the classics. me, i think next turn is gonna see things return to normal. but keep talking trash as you drop camps, "the big wheel" in the war effort you are today. at least in 10 turns you'll be able to double scout where it went wrong/wrong or right/right.

4) Bonus Material>>since we know who runs the rider cav at 3028, and the rider army at 4217, discovering the rider cav out east location wasnt too tough, locate character works everytime.

sm#6

but im probably wrong on all this stuff, hence i the game

[vandal]

There are few if any players we of the easrterlings fear but we respect the WK.

His loss is a sad blow and sums up my thought you have a snowballs chance in hell of making the cut.

I do strongly urge those of you who see fit to move against me that this is not in your interest as our actions will be swift and damaging in return.

We will not come alone and if you think you can face that many more troops then good luck to you as you will need it.

Diplomacy is the arty of sucking up to the neutral, threatening us might work with some but gues what, not with me.

Think hard upon your actions as attacking will not win you the game.

Perhaps you can talk the WK into returning, do so you need him more than you need the hawks of war

Vandal

[American-Iron]

Hey Everyone,
It seems as though everyone has a better idea of what's going on then me. That's normal though. As far as the Easterlings goes again as per the usual I have no idea of what you are talking about. Let me make one thing clear to all the neutrals, you guys can do as you will. It's a free game and we all pay the same amount of loot to process our turns. If a group of you have formed a coalition to protect each other then good for you. Frank I have offered you as much as I can and it seems I'm lacking. So be it. If you think I give one hoot about pissing off the other neutrals or you because I won't put out my finest china out when your emissary comes a calling and your good friend both in and out of the game Mr Harad says he's offended too. Oh well. Bring forth what may and let's have some fun. I could have used that information I asked you for last turn to save my partners back-up. But you saw fit to hold your tongue. If the game is going to go to the dogs then all I can say is woof woof. You know neutrals if you are a new player and want something in the way of a pop for a victory condition or bauble because you think it's cool that I can understand, but when a seasoned veteran asks for an item that the team needs for the team he is just being selfish. Then that nation wouldn't be a team player anyway. No the way I see it minds were already made up as far as I'm concerned and excuses were being hunted for. Now they are there and we can get to playing. I will expect most of my nation to be destroyed now and the sun to go out :p :D
I also think having fun is better then winning as I usually don't. I'm kinda like a jumper who grabs the guy trying to talk him from the ledge just so he will have someone to talk to on the way down :)

[vandal]

We note your comments but more telling is the actions of the WK who knew what we offered and agreed to meet our terms.

The itme is a bauble, it does not meen I would take it but one wanted to be wanted.

The fact you dont want us well its not my loss

Vandal

[andersm73]

Belechael was sitting on a hilltop overlooking the smoking ruins of Jug Rijesha, he was reliving the gory details of the carnage he and his cavalry had wrought against the undefended townspeople that morning, he was startled out of his reverie by the touch of cold steel against his throat!! "Your coming with me for a little visit to our torture chamber" whispered a sibilant voice in his ear. That was the last memory he had before waking up to find himself spreadeagled on the rack.

You really need to get some backup commanders in your armies!!!

ps: What happened to Tarondor? Did he get scared and flee back to Osgiliath or has he not figured out how to use a compass yet :-)

Matt
CL

[smuller]

cloud lord matt,

i have a broken watch thats correct twice a day. you caught a break when you sent a very stealthy clould lord agent into 3533 on turn 1( taking down a harbor were we?). you caught a second break when you killed that army commander on turn 2, when the s gondor had already downgraded you. lets not get "all wet" in the shorts, when fortune smiles on you. but, you have won that battle. make sure the avenger thanks you, as it was gonna be a long day for her.speaking of broken compasses, the harad?
no, tarandor looked at the odds, observed that all those fire king troops died accomplishing nothing at 3124, and decided to avoid making that error. nice to see the fire king has the cash to support the dk lts, and that 800 fire king hi will stand around doing nothing at 3124( same mistake twice). killing hukor, challenging ji indur, eliminating the long rider(why did you stay at 3028?) cleaning up the trash on the eastern bank of the anduin, and then taking 3224 was more important.noticed the ice king didm't add any troops at 3123, money tight? instead, i hope you enjoyed rushing to defend 3224 for no reason. hows things in eastern mordor? give my reguards to both angmar and the dragon lord, they sure could use your help right now.
is that timber at 6/3, 13000 units on the market. which bridge to rebuild?

sm#6

[andersm73]

Smuller,

Agreed I was lucky to have a stealthy agent @3533, still took a gamble making the kidnap attempt which could have easily backfired. Caught a few breaks in this game so far and have lucked out nicely with agent bonuses, so expect the kidnaps and assassinations to escalate in the near future. The only time I get "all wet" in the shorts is when Adunaphel is trying to "thank" me, for taking care of that pesky cav force for her, more Quite Agoer than Quiet Avenger it seems.

Feel free to challenge Ji as often as you like, doubt he'll accept the offer though :-)
By all means rebuild whichever bridge you like, just make sure you use decent craftsmen this time as they seem to have a habit of falling down :-)

Matt
CL

[Ian Etchells]

What a puuuurrrrfeeeccttt CL we have. Good boy, it will be soon time for your treat.

Adunaphel
Quiet A-goer

[vandal]

Well with the demise of the WK and seeing how bad a state you dark servants are in its no chalnage at all for me and I think its time to leave the normal games and play grudge only

Vandal

[smuller]

i am so confused,
all i wanna do is burn the ithil pass, remodel mordor and recruit a few(5) neutrals. the long rider and easterling don't like each other, the avenger arrives unexpected in harad. i think i'm happy about these developments. somebody please write me something and clarify, as its getting late and i have nations to gut, people to kill, and well orders to write. plus theres the razing of 3822 to attend to, burning 2715, killing of the fire king and ice king, and damn summer cold to fight. grandstand seats to the nuking of the ((suddenly why do i have so much invested in mirkwood, when the freeps have so much invested in angmar)) witch king. did that make sense? mrs belechal to console(sees a looker), on her missing husband (can we have the cav now back please, we'll play nice).
anyway, lets sharpen our sticks and stab each other in cyber space.

sm#6

[Ian Etchells]

Dear smuller,

Yes the QA has arrived unexpected in Harad, seaside beaches, the wind through ones hair and catching the surf dude is what we are after. Though the QA can just as unexpected move away again, just depends if the Harad ever writes back saying "hi, how are you". It just that we have info saying the Harad & Easterlings are going to go free, as the Easterlings seem to be dropping I would very much like to hear from Harad.

As for you killing the IK & FK all we say is bring it on.

Ian, QA

P.S. My condolences go to Mrs Belechel if your to console her.

[American-Iron]

Greetings to All Players,

Hello my friends, I am playing the Long Rider and yes we are attacking the Easterlings. Having done my work against the Gondorian nations and not be much more use there, I have decided that the nations of Harad and Easterlings are not to be trusted. They have in various ways goaded us into action. This statement of alliance between the two and their unrealistic request means only one thing to me. They intend to build their nations then pounce on the Dark Peoples of Middle Earth. Rather then sit by and wait for these nations to prepare we have to destroy them first. That is what is going to happen. I have yet to hear from the Harad but the Easterlings says he speaks for them both. The Easterlings have stated that we should shower them with gifts and praise for the glorious honor of having them join our side. Sorry. I've been around to long.
Some of you in this game know me and some have maybe heard of me. I'm not a particularly great player and I've never been accused of being too polite :D . I am however, fiercely loyal and honest. A trait some people in this game don't posess. I will fight the fight I see and will do the deeds I can. If this is a strategic mistake then so be it. I consider the Harad and Easterlings to be hostile to our side and don't wish to try and negotiate any longer. I will be bringing the full might of my nation and all allies I can to see to the destruction of these two rougue nations.
To the other Neutrals, if my actions offend you I am truly sorry as that isn't my intention and I'm acting as a single nation here. It is my belief that any experienced player will see the smoke and mirriors put forth by these two deceitful meneaces. IT is my belief that and evil even greater then the lord I serve exists in our region. It is growing in the Nations of Harad and Easterlings.
It is one thing to serve a cause, whether it be light or dark, this my friends has honor. It is something else all together to serve the interest of just yourself. That is the evil that runs these Rogue Nations. I for one will not rest until they are dead and buried. To this I swear before the great and mighty Sauron. WE are coming ;)
Big-Doug aka Long Rider

[smuller]

it seems to have worked doug, since that looks alot like duns and rhudar invading cardy. nicely done getting these two guys to be lackeys for your team. exactly how do they plan on suriving, what with 1804 up in smoke, 2006 and 2305 about to go up in smoke. 2715 torched, your guys in mirkwood finished, and both 3822 and 2409 burning this turn.
brilliant work on the diplo front. rhudar and duns, it takes 2-3 months to get the first turn of your next game run. sign up now, cause you are not suriving this game. you first, the mordor guys second.
sm#6

[American-Iron]

Dark Peoples,

Fear not the rantings of the SMullers:) We have a good team and they don't so there:P Now then boys buckle up as for once I think we have a game. When the Easterlings blinked the entire game changed. Truly nobody knows boo for the two to three turns. Sorry but that's coming from a Long Rider :cool: I knew you would buy the timber for the bridge. Kinda like the picnic that South Gondor took. When the Bridge comes tumbling down....

Keep On Truckin,
Big-Doug :rolleyes:

[andersm73]

Veantur awoke to find himself hanging from a wall in what appeared to be a dungeon, the last memory he had before waking was sauntering through Osgiliaths red light district, celebrating before leading his army out against Mordor. He vaguely remembered receiving a heavy blow to the back of his head, which would explain his thumping headache!!
He looked around the dungeon, their was a misshapen figure sprawled on what appeared to be some type of a rack. It was with some horror that he recognised the battered and abused form to be Belechael, a South Gondorian ally of his. Terror overwhelmed him at this point as thoughts of himself receiving the same treatment caused him to panic, he started threshing against his restraints but it was futile and he slumped in defeat to await his fate at the Dark Servants hands.

I did warn you to get some backup commanders in your armies!!

Looks like Osgiliath and Minas Ithil will be DS town/forts after this turn!! Still think Tarondors cowardly(tactical) retreat was a good move?

cheers
Matt

[seejaie]

Dorothy woke up to the songs of larks and other sylvan creatures. Sun streamed through the window into an otherwise dreary room. Rust and blood stains were the primary decor across her bedframe that might once have been a rack. It was with some bemusement that she recognized the battered and abused ruins of Dol Goldur, the once infamous capital of the Dragon Lord. Orc breeding pits now bore only flowers. Drowsiness overwhelmed her at this point. It had all been a bad dream, the last images of which were certain to fade from her mind.

Some time later he was stirred again by her aunt, uncle, and all the peons from around the manorhouse.

"That's a mighty bump you took to the noggin back in the tornado, Dorothy." her aunt said.

"Where am I?"

"Why your back in the castle where you belong- you've been knocked out for nearly 10 weeks! You've been crying about orcs and nazgul being all over mirkwood - threatening towns and burning hidden elven cities, but that was all just a dream!"

"I love you guys, you mean I never have to worry about another Dark army in Mirkwood?"

"Probably not, Sweetie, I doubt it will be much longer before there aren't orcs anywhere but in Mordor. Won't that be nice?"

"Oh yes Auntie. "

Take that, other team. Any more lip out of you and it will be more amateurly written dialog coming right at you!

[American-Iron]

Mirwood Inhabitants,

I truly hope the hope of a fool, that this game might go for more then ten turns. That being the case then you had better train Dorothy. The Long Rider is coming. It will take a little while to arrive but don't fret I will be there. Tis a game we hoped for and my dearest of friends I believe it is a game we have. Northmen and Eothraim I was a bit delayed having to rid the middle earth of easterlings and harad alliance. But now that I have gutted and neutered that once proud nation my attentions will be turning north. You have been allowed to much freedom for too long. Buckle Kiddies for the Big Doug cometh :D
See you soon.....

[Ian Etchells]

Take that, other team. Any more lip out of you and it will be more amateurly written dialog coming right at you!



Yes please I do so love a good comedy, have the heard the one about the Ithil pass, soon to be renamed.

[American-Iron]

:eek:
I was under the impression that some strip malls were going up! Crud now those municipal bonds I got at South Gondor will be useless :mad: No wonder the market is crashing. "Where is that confounded bridge?" (Led Zeplin)
Big-Doug

[smuller]

ahahahahahahaaa,
i must admit ji indur never misses. its a bit Fooking silly, but it be what it is.( okay you have knocked off two army commanders in three turns, including 1 where your at my m town, and at hated. please, theres about..hummh, nothing to be done about that). winning the initative die at 3923, the rolls ain't going our way. feeling confident, thats nice. luck and random rolls have this way of evening out.
the duns and rhudar saved your butts in the north, for a few turns. no skill there, the duns have been going evil for a few turns, since he marched around 1614. spouting about taking 3124 on turn 5 with the cloud lord army. please. sending the dog lord cav to 3024 to take it, you should be ashamed. yeah they will be evil towns, but under the control of a couple commanders. easy to retake( garrision up boys, ellandan and elrohir to the front please).
so, in return, you get 2514, 3124 (town) and 3024(town).
we get 2715(burnt), 1804(burning), 2409(burning). 2305 (next turn burnt) and 3822(maybe) is in deep ****e. 3621, 3120 burnt. oops, lost control of 3120. and no defenders at 3221 this turn, they'll be freeps there next turn. is that 3626, a cloud lord, i mean fire king town, burnt.
your getting the rolls, and swaping m towns with us. so far, so good. we can swap all season. you wanna torch all the easterling and harad stuff too. that should do wonders for the market. a little supression, and winters coming sooner then later. my old friend, general winter.

sm#6
in strip malls we trust

[smuller]

Well with the demise of the WK and seeing how bad a state you dark servants are in its no chalnage at all for me and I think its time to leave the normal games and play grudge only

Vandal

great idea vandal aka fredmond@yahoo.com ( frank redmond)

heres an idea.
a name that rhymes with vandal, and fits you perfectly.

team candle..a little heat, and you melt away.

sm#6

[Michaelj2473]

Hi all this is the Haradwaith.
Just to let you all know I have moved from the UK and are now in Germany here is my new Email address. Michaelj2473@aol.com

I understand the QA is attacking me, I have email him and I am awaiting his reply, Mike.

[smuller]

Hi all this is the Haradwaith.
Just to let you all know I have moved from the UK and are now in Germany here is my new Email address.
I understand the QA is attacking me, I have email him and I am awaiting his reply, Mike.

about what? the bridge east of you has been taken down by the evils, the avenger is alone. go and kill him. this is a war game, and hes making war on you. first, frank "the candle" redmond, now you? help is just a change allegiance order away.

sm#6

[Ian Etchells]

Hi all this is the Haradwaith.
Just to let you all know I have moved from the UK and are now in Germany here is my new Email address.
I understand the QA is attacking me, I have email him and I am awaiting his reply, Mike.

about what? the bridge east of you has been taken down by the evils, the avenger is alone. go and kill him. this is a war game, and hes making war on you. first, frank "the candle" redmond, now you? help is just a change allegiance order away.

sm#6


The QA has written back to the Harad. I hope he gets my reply.

Ian

P.S. Who say's that we are alone even with the bridge down :D And do you think the Harad needs the help of a backwood nation like yours :D

[vandal]

I dont remember seeing any heat from the dark side and if I had I would have kicked some butt.

Of course since I dropped all my 10 plus games my reasons for leaving had little to do with this one game.

If you need my candle to give you some light feel free

Vandal

[Ian Etchells]

The heats coming, get ready to feel those flames :-)

[smuller]

I dont remember seeing any heat from the dark side and if I had I would have kicked some butt.

Of course since I dropped all my 10 plus games my reasons for leaving had little to do with this one game.

If you need my candle to give you some light feel free

Vandalaka dropping easterbunny who can't take the heat.

i need three things from you.
1) silence
2)absence
3) first lock the door, then close it behind you on your way out.

sm# 6

[Ian Etchells]

I think Mr SMuller wanted to say "please" with that last post but couldn't spell it.

HeeHeeHeeHee

[seejaie]

Watch yourself, Chub-worm. The grammar police have been on your tale for some time now.

Post #53: "has arrived unexpected" might be a case for the traditional use of the adverb form of unexpected. You were how ever consistent in making the same mistake twice. Also the sentences are a tad run on.

Post #60: "Yes please I do so love a good comedy, have the heard the one about the Ithil pass, soon to be renamed." is a run-on sentence and is missing some judicious application of the pronoun you.

Post #66:"Who say's" should be "Who says" unless you meant "Who say is" for some flavor.
Post #68:
You made the reverse mistake with "heats" should be "heat's" but I'm not even sure that contractions can be made that way.

"The heats coming," should also have been "The heats coming;" otherwise you have a run-on sentence.

I would have checked posts 1-53 but I am lazy. I suspect that

Take heart!; I can commend you on your spelling. I didn't notice any egregious chunder across your posts. For the record, I think it is in the best interest of everyone on the forums to leave semantical mocking back in grade school because we are a shanty town of glass houses around here.

[Ian Etchells]

Dash and blast it!! All I was doing was indicating that a "please" or "thankyou" in the right place helps the world go around. It doesn't cost anything to be polite except good manners.

[smuller]

Dash and blast it!! All I was doing was indicating that a "please" or "thankyou" in the right place helps the world go around. It doesn't cost anything to be polite except good manners.


manners to frank the candle? nah, even if you dress it up, teach it sing and dance, if falls from the chickens bottom end, its still chicken****. cowards die a thousand deaths...

sm# 6

[vandal]

Well since you have my attention lets test you mettle, you up for a standard 1650 12v12 one on one loser pays for both games.

I will add the money to my account in advance to pay for it.

Now lets see who squaks

Vandal

[smuller]

Well since you have my attention lets test you mettle, you up for a standard 1650 12v12 one on one loser pays for both games.

I will add the money to my account in advance to pay for it.

Now lets see who squaks

Vandal


candle,

i stand and pee, you bring your cheese.
we run first turn on 12/01/04.( i still have people i play with, you seem to play with yourself).
game spec's...

rhudar and harad are evil.
account balance of $750.00 at start. i'll even get a new acct number for this game.

forts or no forts at 1910/4217? your choice of sides.


sm

[American-Iron]

Is this just between you Knights or can we put a group together? I know alot of people that would like in on this wager. :)
Big-Doug

[smuller]

first,
i need a "yes" from the wax wonder.
i'm certain there be at least 1 issue with my response.
once resolved, we can possibly complicate matters, if candle wants teammates.

sm

[cable]

Dear Doug

I have been watching this thread for several weeks and I have come to the conclusion that I do not like those weak threats against the health of my people.what I dislike about them is they are weak and unatainable the pathetic whining of a desperate nation.You think you can scare me with lame threats,do you think sauron frigtens me he is a sad and namless litlle closet monster compared to my ex-wifes divorce attorney.I only have one question for you.

Are you gonna to bark allday........ litlle doggie or are you gonna bite

David Pearson
Northmen
Peace is our profession/mass murder our hobby

[American-Iron]

Hail to a Fellow Lover of Resevior Dogs,

No,No dear sir I shall try and make your money worth it. I'm sorry to say I had to first crush the Easterlings (Frank Redmond). Before turning to visit your lands. Now having said that and done as much, very soon my friend, very soon. Good move with the cav force. They never got the tower up so you slipped in. Bravo! No balls! No glory! Looks like you can claim both. The hammer falls soon. Best to you and your worthy team. Maybe for once we can have one go out past 10-15?
Cheers,
Big-Doug

[cable]

Dear Doug

About your patsy the easterling he is going to get his in a very big way I hope he is prepared for the hurricane comming his way.I tried to warn him this is going to be very bad for him.If you have done as much dammage to that nation as you claim then he will be hard pressed to survive a few more turns.
As to the army in mordor I am in a bit of a dilema which pop center should I destroy next 3627,3428,3528,3629,3246,or3423 this one requires a force march none have any real defences. this is quite an interesting problem for ya'll so many very important pop centers to protect I dont envy you.That is unless you have a really good agent there now then I am basicly dead except for one minor problem D...oops can't reveal too many secret's.One last piece of advice

Don't run you'll just die tired


David Pearson
Northmen
"Adventes Fortuna Juvat"

[Ian Etchells]

The QA and Harad are at war
Who's going to win
No one knows for sure
QA drew first blood
Reveling in the spoils
It now has a new village
To add to its empire

But then in return
Harad beat QA's cavalry army
And at turns end
It all seemed a draw.


Now cometh the hour cometh the Queen.

[smuller]

" don't run, you'll just die tired."

a marine sniper in our little gang?

sm # 6

[smuller]

Well since you have my attention lets test you mettle, you up for a standard 1650 12v12 one on one loser pays for both games.

I will add the money to my account in advance to pay for it.

Now lets see who squaks

Vandal


waste of my time. drops a challenge, and then runs away.
on to another gunboat game.
any second now, frank will chirp up again. he was on vacation, his computer broke, difficult menstral cycle, chipped nail, paper cut, ingrown molar, found jesus, raped by kobe bryant, busy trying to pin john kerry down on an issue, operating on bill clinton, dog ate his homework.

sm# 6 in uk 56

[vandal]

Whilst its only a game you seem to want to make more of it than this.

As it seems you are whimpish and have a yellow streak, unwilling to take up a challange, what else you want to do throw the baby out of the pram as the rattle is gone

Vandal

[smuller]

Whilst its only a game you seem to want to make more of it than this.

As it seems you are whimpish and have a yellow streak, unwilling to take up a challange, what else you want to do throw the baby out of the pram as the rattle is gone

Vandal


thank you for proving my point. not 24 hours after dismissing you, and your challenge has hot air, you respond. the fire is out, the candle firms up.
bye frank, i join a long list of people acknowledging your existence as a spineless coward. write all the trash you want, after you run from your own challenge. should we meet again, not even allegiance will save you.

sm

[smuller]

Whilst its only a game you seem to want to make more of it than this.

As it seems you are whimpish and have a yellow streak, unwilling to take up a challange, what else you want to do throw the baby out of the pram as the rattle is gone

Vandal


thank you for proving my point. not 24 hours after dismissing you, and your challenge as hot air, you respond. the fire is out, the candle firms up.
bye frank, i join a long list of people acknowledging your existence as a spineless coward. write all the trash you want, after you run from your own challenge. should we meet again, not even allegiance will save you.

sm

[vandal]

Now let me guess you know a certain bunch of boys from an earlier game and are that low life speading the rumours in thais game that I could not pin down.

Its a shame you had to show your ugle head but trash will out in the end.

I dont need to pray as like all gutless swine once faced up to you revert to type, insult and posture.

As you can see we can all descend to your level, I just hope one does not have to stay in it to long.

I am sure being allied to you and like your so called friends sticking it to your allies is just up your street and hence as I dont I am sure you would win.

Gloat if that gives you pleasure I can live without it

Vandal

[smuller]

candle,
for a guy who ran away real fast, you sure like to hang around. don't go away mad, just go away. i surrender, your my hero, a walking god. i submit to your wit, spelling, timely responses and courage in the face of underwhelming odds. please send a picture of yourself to harly, so the can foward it too me. this way i can lite a candle under it, and ponder. when, oh when great gods of gaming can be i wise, and godlike as my diety, frank "the candle". gloat, no frank. go away, nothing more, nothing less.

hey, maybe you can join a new game under a differrent name, and get yourself a new thread to write on. go haunt a different game frank, you have been away from this one for a month. the presence is gone, the smell lingers.

i'm spent, and done with you in uk 56.

sm# 6

hey ian, wheres all that "quiet" avenger trash i love reading?
doug#19, you should get alex#25 in here.
to everybody else, back on point. sorry for the distraction.

[Winsten Wun Toof]

I'll take your challenge. I'll do better than that. You can play the 12 on your side, so you have no one else to blame. You pick your faction. I'll take 11 comers, and you can pick my position. Let's judge the man by his own decisions. I've heard enough over time of your threats and challenges, only to duck and weave when someone takes up the glove. Alot of air about playing a grudge, nary a one started. I will guarantee your game. You will have every advantage that you could wish for. There's a difference in this, when the game is done, it's over. Better by far than this "My dad's peepee is bigger than your mum's peepee" ****e, slinging mud over message forums, that never reaches a conclusion. When the game is done, or the turn around is done as the case may be, all will have been said and done, and it's over. A logical conclusion.

And before you go off on a tangent about who knows who, I'll warn you not to do it, you'll look silly... arrrr....errr.

Everyone here is witness, you have been allowed to set up the game, with 12 v's 12, with the faction of your choice, with you playing all 12 positions of your faction, with me taking 11 comers, and playing the position of your choice. The only provision for our team membership is that it will be for players who genuinely want to play a grudge against you. It will not be acrimonious, I don't plan to talk to you at any point. It's going to be the honourable thing to do - slug it out and prove the player's mettle. Obviously I will ask all of the players here that have issues if they will join up.

What do you say?

Rob aka Winsten Wun Toof


Whilst its only a game you seem to want to make more of it than this.

As it seems you are whimpish and have a yellow streak, unwilling to take up a challange, what else you want to do throw the baby out of the pram as the rattle is gone

Vandal

[vandal]

But snot nose you have made it personal and you have my attention what you going to do send me a few e mails threateneing to kill me like your wonderful buddies.

I regret to advise you it does not work on me but perhaps you can go running off to the greater gods it does seem to work with them.

Please refrain from sending me any more anyway as I just delete them as they are not worthy of my time.

So carry on your little rantings them amuse me if nothing else.

Vandal

[Winsten Wun Toof]

*Snot nose? That's pretty funny Frank. I'd like to discuss what's up your nose, but I can't see past your butt :-) "No" to the challenge then huh? Not even when you can pick your own side, run all the positions, even pick my nation for me? Don't let fear get in your way Frank. Like I said, you are judged by your own decisions. You've got all the witnesses you like here. You're only capable of slinging mud at those who can't lay hands on you on the game board. You are religious about avoiding a challenge. Everyone knows it. You've been called out often enough. Ever wonder why so many players wind up telling you to dry up and blow away? You think it might just be because they get sick of your girly e-mails and despair of you ever putting your money where your mouth is?

But snot nose you have made it personal and you have my attention what you going to do send me a few e mails threateneing to kill me like your wonderful buddies.

*I have buddies, you ought to try it some time. But I don't need anyone's help to spread you over my lawn. It's more a case of being in danger through trying to stand at the front of the stampede to get at you :-) What you have to understand is - I am not the common denominator in all of the fan mail you are getting here - you are!

I regret to advise you it does not work on me but perhaps you can go running off to the greater gods it does seem to work with them.

*Greater Gods? Who are the greater gods on planet Frank? Barbie? Britney Spears? Buck Wheat?

Please refrain from sending me any more anyway as I just delete them as they are not worthy of my time.

*Well isn't that a hoot. Both factions of this game have lined up to tell you that the game has done nothing to deserve you, and that it will be triply blessed when you leave it. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - but they appear to be saying that you are not worthy of all their time, money and effort. I don't see you refraining from annoying them? This is a fun game Frank, you are such an easy target, but the real point is, when you get some big boy b*llocks, come take up the challenge and give the growing legions of your arrr admirers the chance to register their appreciation.

So carry on your little rantings them amuse me if nothing else.

*Be nice if you could at least spell English. Talking it would be a bonus and a blessing.

*PS a wise man would say that to take up a challenge would at least allow you the respect of standing by your convictions. But wisdom is a slippery fella isn't he, especially when your hands are already full.....

*To all and sundry in game 56, sorry to take up your airwaves. As you may have gathered there are a few personality clashes here. I'll go now and wish you all an enjoyable game. To those who have challenged Frank, you all have captured the high ground of having Frank too frightened to take up your separate challenges. There's a large audience out here that can verify in the next spat.

Cheers Winsten Wun Toof

Vandal

[Clint]

Okay guys calm down. What was a pleasant exchange of in-game banter has now turned too personal and I'm getting lots of complaints.

Clint

[Ian Etchells]

sm# 6

hey ian, wheres all that "quiet" avenger trash i love reading?



Sssshhhhhh!!!!!!
Quietly plotting

[VEO]

Okay guys calm down. What was a pleasant exchange of in-game banter has now turned too personal and I'm getting lots of complaints.

Clint

Who could possibly be complaining? Frank is the least popular player in the game, and according to his own word, he's pulled out of the game so he isn't even a customer of yours, unless that's another lie of his. The best way to handle the candlemeister is to ban him from this forum via administrative powers. Kick him out of the game for good. I've run businesses and there are various situations where I do NOT want someone's "business". If you like, I'll send in private email complaints every day, does that make my position worthy?

[Clint]

Frank has a right to use this forum as well as all our players. I'm not sure why this has started, nor am I particularly interested in following it all up and attributing blame. Just calm down, post like adults please.

Thanks

Clint

[American-Iron]

:) Hello One and All,

I first met Frank in a game that he was playing with A group of people and that game went way south....even for the Aussies. Ya know I had never seen a better Dragon Lord player. I will give credit where it is do. But then in the next few games he seemed to devolve I'll say. Now I'm a pretty thick headed neanderthal and that on a good day. Hell just ask Javi :D Point is this the way I see it. Frank was playing a position in this game(56). Due to his style of play we as the evil assaulted him. He then quit. Now maybe our going towards him had no bearing on his reason to quit. He did leave the game though. Now the Great and Powerful SMullers had a light hearted banter session with him. Frank called out Steve. Once Steve said OK it went no where. Frank said he quit all his games. I kinda then have to ask like the other fellow what's he doing on our thread then?
Clint and all you other Masters of our Universe, this hasn't got nerely as bad as it is just under neath the surface. The one hard thing about games and forums and such is the written word is interpreted by the reader and not the sender. There is no body language to show emotion. That means as adults we all must try and use a little more constraint when we are plugging away at each other.
I will say this though and just for all you even tempered fellows to ponder, have you noticed that no one other than the GM has come out in Frank's behalf? Wonder why that is? Wonder why Frank couldn't put his team together? I heard through the grapevine that all asked where busy combing there lawns :rolleyes:
I think the Frank issue should be settled on the battle field. No more talk and banter. As members in good standing and men of honor let's pledge to put up or shut up. Clint you should forbide (IMO) anymore discussion on this and let the boys fight it out in MEPBM. This talk about personnal attacks makes me laugh. Kinda like the little dog that snaps at your ankles and you kick them across the floor. The one that has to talk the poo is usually the weenie.
Tell ya what... I will post $1000 to the victor and cover the airfare for a head to head meeting if you boys would just shut up about this issue. This way it would truly be settled. Either that or move into another genre of gaming. I also would like to point out to the MEPBM company that the other fellow was right about certain customers. Is one person worth ten? Christ right now I spend 11 turns worth every two weeks. Doesn't that carry some wieght? Plus all of Rob's zombies (just kidding I love that band) and Steve and the others? Just ponder it friend. Maybe when setting up games you make sure the paths don't cross and we could all get back to being our little self important babies we are so good at being.
Today is 9/11. I live in a suburb of New York City. I got together with 800 other bikers and rode to ground zero. Lifes too short and we have more in common then not. Please for the sake of just what's right, put away the tempers and flip over a new leaf. Turn off the computer and spend sometime with your loved ones. They truely are all you have.
Just my opinion from a very simple pimple ;) ,
Big-Doug
9/11 We will never forget, If you won't come to justice we will bring it to you.

[VEO]

Frank has a right to use this forum as well as all our players. I'm not sure why this has started, nor am I particularly interested in following it all up and attributing blame. Just calm down, post like adults please.

Thanks

Clint

Everyone is calm except Frank, he's the one calling people "snot nose". Who are you asking to be adults, exactly? And my question was "who was complaining?", if I really had to paraphrase it...

Best option is to allow the "open" forum to be truly "open" and leave the GM off of it. I've already been to Darrell and know that he's not going to do any "paternalistic" admin work in regard to banning members. I find it flabergasting that the GM of this game would come out in support of this Frank Redmond character. Absolutely hilarious.

American Iron. Do you know nypdblue? I offer you and yours and everyone of rational mind empathy and consideration on this anniversary of the worst we can come to.

Brad Brunet

[VEO]

:)I also would like to point out to the MEPBM company that the other fellow was right about certain customers. Is one person worth ten?

As the "other fellow", I like it when people agree with me, I wouldn't want this little tidbit "overlooked". Sometimes, the disruptive fool who ONLY annoys (like the mild word?) other customers, sometimes, this person simply has to be told that they're no longer welcome in your establishment.

Brad Brunet

[Winsten Wun Toof]

*G'day there Clint. I am calm, and for the record, I don't believe in banning players. In any event something extreme would have to happen.

*However I have had more acrimonious experience with this issue than anyone, and I do know that what is happening here will only go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and then on some more, and nothing will ever be resolved. It will get worse as it goes. You may have noticed that several messages deal with asking Frank to go, and he says he's going, but he doesn't go. It's in the nature of the problem. Most of your players are honourable enough. They are wargamers, and if they have personal issues they expect to deal with it in the appropriate forum - on the game map. And there's an end to it, they measure up, and a point is made and won.

*When however the conflict is restricted to nuisance mail on the forums, there will never be a resolution. There is just a string of progressively nastier mail with no point ever being made. Insults carry no weight after all, game victories do, very hard to argue with. So tempers get worse, and the bitterness gets more entrenched. That's where you are, what started as a disagreement between a couple of the players is fast on it's way towards where you left Ditto and I. It's not about Rob, or Frank, or Steve, or Doug. There is a situation that is uncomfortable to all, and will never be resolved. Frank likes to pick fights, the rest of us like to trash our opposition on the field, and never the two shall meet. Never a resolution.

*You can finish this one off, and in a month's time it will be Fred, John and Edmundo no doubt. If it's not some of the regulars, then it will be someone else.

*You have a group of players who now have an issue with Frank. I recommend that you put it to him that he fights it out in a game and not the forums. This is how the rest of us want it to be. It's personal for about all of us I would expect now for all the above reasons. You simply can't segregate him from all of the wreckage from game to game anyway. If we measure up, then I'm sure that most of us will feel vindicated, and that resolution has been achieved. I for one don't plan to have any contact, and would advise my team not to start a forum.

*Again, this is not acrimonious on my part, I know that if things are left, this game will get every bit as ugly as our last, it's going down the same path. I have posted on this forum to give Frank the chance to answer, I don't like pot shotting from the shadows. And lastly, it has to happen on the forum so that players can regulate the game. Remember the customers. We all like life to run smoothly, but when it doesn't, there are 24 other players who pay good hard currency in the expectation of enjoying the game. If that's not possible, well I'll bet alcohol is every bit as good as most of us remember :-)

Cheers

Rob

Frank has a right to use this forum as well as all our players. I'm not sure why this has started, nor am I particularly interested in following it all up and attributing blame. Just calm down, post like adults please.

Thanks

Clint

[smuller]

wow,
sorry if i caused a commotion here. clint, i like your service, your company, and i like you and the staff. but theres a concept you mention frequently, called "game honor".
a brief recap: frank/candle, dropped nation # 25, uk 56 when he was attacked by the baddies, saying the game was no longer a challenge, cause the baddies were weak. well, the games balance was thrown out of whack when #25 was dropped, then picked up by a skilled player with a taste for evil( i'm using the term skilled with a lot of leeway alex. relax all, we grudge together in uk 61, its all in fun). these things happen, but i don't have to be happy about a guy leaving the free side in a bind. candle damaged a potentially solid game, and i called him on his comments, and his actions( please read above on the thread. my liver and memory are clouded, guiness as liquid therapy tonight due to damaged ego from candles insults).
candle dropped a very pointed, and public one vs one challenge on me, " lets see who squeeks first." my massive ego, battered and bruised at this horrific insult, public challenge accepted(the therpist states my medical insurance is good, and i'm making slow but thankfully steady progress at recovery. i knew you dedicated readers were concerned). after one week without a response, i called him a coward, even writing he'd get right back on the board with some lame excuse. shockingly, i hit center mass. not 1 day later, candle ran his fingers some more, and whined about the way he was treated to the moderators(if only he was this dogged in uk 56, but one can only dream of a brighter tomorrow). BUT STILL NO RESPONSE TO THE CHALLENGE. he made his bed, and now finds no comfort in it( my foot, his......., you get the point). cry me an ocean, but its his mess. you wanna share his burden clint, thats your issue. you speak of game honor, here we are today. a few messages, a few more of my lines later( your out of breath waiting for more wit), and i'll leave with these observations( double vision, your lucky day).
candle still hasn't stepped up on his original accepted challenge. thats gutless cowardice. sorry, but it be what it is(shakespeare, after a fashion.)
candle isn't in uk 56. you left candle, that thump you felt was the door tagging your hind end on the way out(i tightened the door spring, rob gave me the tools. oops, i gave you up rob, you can have the ships). don't complain about the door next, just stay out.
candle has not been taken to task in a dedicated thread "aka frank the candle is gutless." that would wrong. this has been kept inside the uk 56 thread. its my name challenged, i own it. your run your mouth in public on my name candle, i'm coming to collect the rent( dirty harry inspired?). game honor, right? no threats outside the "i'm gonna spank like the bad school girl(in a school skirt and fish net stockings?) you are when we play." that kinda banter is in everygame, just not as visual. don't cha just hate it when a guy with a big mouth like the candle, has a glass jaw attached?
wow, i'm calm now. its was such a release to get these troubles off my chest. its 0400 here, up all night dwelling on this issue( outta guiness, i'll wrap up, but first a potty break)

all done, come back from the toilet/ loo....

did you wash your hands? with soap? not just water you faux washer.

as before, i'm done here. this entire novel was written in response to clint's involvement. bottom line:
you get involved with the candle, watch your back, cause its unguarded.

with a total lack of respect for candle( but not for humor!)..

sm# 6

still, at your service, candle, for that 1-1 in 1650 you dropped. your choice of side. is there any part of that confusing to you, candle? dougs dime is fine with me(bonus bucks?!?!). duck the issue, but its not going away, candle( i love that name, a little heat, he melts away). inspired by a universal disgust, it reads as if the line to get a piece of "the candle" in a game is getting longer. so i gotta keep my place in front.

good weekend all, and keep it in perspective.

[smuller]

wow,
i'm pretty funny sometimes. was this one?

sm#6 in uk 56
come on clint, don't delete me, read it again.

[vandal]

Winston you know very well I am banned from playing in any games with you following our disagreements in game 9.

I am surprised that the same restrictions do not apply to you.

You should know very well that your threats to take action outside the game nor your backstabbing inside the game is why I dropped so many games nothing else.

Its a game and who needs to take it further, except you who have me beat hands down with your evil cunning love to twist a tale as you have the sneaky tricks and do love to backstab.

I am sure the Harad is this game was cheating as you suggested in joining this game, it must be true if you said so.

Perhaps it is gave you some pleasure to continue those personal attacks even when we played no games together but of course since this is the reason for my leaving this game.

I should point out that at the time I dropped nobody had attacked me from the dark side so I have no idea where this idea that being attacked made me drop ever came from.

If the Long Rider did later good luck to him and no matter what went on in the game I still like Douglas and have no problems with him at all.

One cannot and does not want to spend my free time dealing with your wild claims as it simple spoils my fun and if its no fun why play.

As regards your challange as well you know when first I accepted it you turned me down, its matter of e mail record and if you think you can prove otherwise do so.

Hey if your croney in this game wants to follow the same old tricks good luck to him, but I am a bit perplexed.

I dont see where he ever accepted my challange so his lost me abut not taking him on but if he is also that great unbeatable player I am sure he will always win to.

So shall I refer to you both as master and servant or you have another name in mind

Vandal

[vandal]

Douglas much as I appreciate the kind offer it would be just a little to take you up on it.

However since it does seem you have accepted the one on one please arrange it.

Whilst I note your close links with Winston I will have to trust you not to seek help from those who I am banned from playing with, what is it you call it, honour?

Vandal

[VEO]

I dont see where he ever accepted my challange

He accepted your challenge on the very next post, likely within hours of you challenging him. Page 3 of this thread. You're welcome.

[American-Iron]

Now I'm confused.
Rob asked for a grudge game and so did SMullers. I stated I would like to play in such a game, did I say somewhere that I wanted this to be me vs Frank? I offered to pay for airline tickets so things could be handled man to man. Listen one and all. Here is the deal. Smullers puts together a team. Frank puts together a team. No bans on players as that would defeat the purpose of the grudge. Once each of you has twelve let me know and I will take care of setting it up with Clint. :confused:
Please no more comments on the boards. Settle on the field as Men do! ;)

This is my offer :D
Douglas

[vandal]

Indeed you are right teach me to miss a page, but then I dont follow all the threads.

Directly I return from my holidays we shall set the game up.

As regards sides standard set up is fine with me for 12 v 12 and random dice roll by the GM to set it up.

Sorry Douglas but I have to settle for one on one so no blame can be attached to anyone but the two players concerned.

But your always welcome to play next if thats what you really want

Vandal

[American-Iron]

:eek:

Attention: Everyone! Grudge match between SMullers and Vandal to take place after his holiday. It will be one man running all twelve nations and I guess a coin flip for sides. This is how I interpreted this last post if I'm wrong please correct me then. Are two midshipmen up to it :D Horatio Hornblower get men in order :p

May the True MEPBM Warrior win and the loser slink off into the shadows whilst paying homage to their Lordly Victor :rolleyes:

Time for the Big boys to play.

Huge...when large isn't big enough :cool:

Big-Doug

[smuller]

all amused by this nonsense,
VEO, thanks for the comment. i thought it was pretty clear.
12-12 1650 duel, harley to randomly assign sides.
there no way a dog won't eat candles homework, his disk drive, a job change, an accident, smallpox, the role of harry potter in version 5.0, the role of vader in star wars 6.0, a hole in his skirt, or some other really weak excuse will arrive so he can't play. BANK ON IT! when that happens, oh, hes getting his own personal string of cowardice memo's, which will be updated every 5 days to keep it atop the standing
(candle jihad?). but then, i'll at least be spared that low balance message from harley for like 30 months.

sm

[cable]

I hope that is going to be the last time I here anything else about this urination competition :D probalbly not.all i want to do is get back to threatning my opponents with an embarrassing and grisly dooom :p speaking of embarrassing how about a very sad little Northmen army burning all those towns in mordor lets see what targets are avaliable next turn 3428-3629-3627-3426 i know not as many targets as last time but that comes with success.oh yeah lets not forget what is going to happen to your soon to be very sad little easterling five towns burnt or captured in two to three turns bad medicine .very tough to swallow and the cav army dies next turn.

Eoder Lord of the East
Aventes Fortuna Juvat

[seejaie]

Dear Sauron,
Things are very boring in Lothlorien. It has been some time since we have seen orcs here. Please send more because the woodmen are boring and our elven accountants don't even have thefts to account for. I said I was sorry for killing the Dragon Lord. You don't have to ignore me like this.

Love,
Sinda

[Ian Etchells]

Two Harad spies spotted a QA army leaving it's MT and marching towards the front. "What's this" one said to the other. "Ha, a small puny army" came the reply. "Yep we'll soon make this one suffer and it will be so so easy, they will soon be worm food" replied the first. They sat there concealed as the army marched past or so they thought.

A QA scout galloped up towards his commander and after many kowtows he said "My Lord, there are two Harad spies watching us, shall I lead a patrol to kill them". "NO" came the reply. Puzzled the scouts asks "Why not my Lord" and received the reply "Because they will soon be Wyrm food, thats why".

Amazing what can be found when camping in mountains.

[vandal]

I shall say no more then on the subject as it is time our spat left this forum.

So the game is on no wimping out set it up I am back in 4 weeks so any time after this is fine.

Do you still want one after Douglas as your so mad I still have to love you even if we did knock heads

Vandal

[American-Iron]

Vandal,

I would be glad to play in a grudge game but I'm playing ten nations now so could you get a team together and so will I? I suggest we get people that don't have issues :p I just like to play. Good luck to you and Smullers :)

May the Best MEPBM'r Win :D

[smuller]

ian,

yeah, the freeps get nation messages too, but at least we know where the dragon went now. enjoy your camps while they last. anybody got a match?

sm# 6
baddies, you win another critical initative die roll at 3120, as the dog lord moves into 3120, before the eothriam move into 3220. clinging onto life, by the skin of your teeth.
see you next turn at 3221.

[donvant]

You haven't killed anything, foolish little Sinda. Bored, are you? Hmm, perhaps I can help alleviate you of that condition, yes?

Khamul

As much as I've enjoyed reading up on the pissing match, I'm all for keeping this thread for 56 only. That being said, good luck to both guys, I can't wait to see how it falls. Big Doug, I'd be willing to bang w/ you in that grudge match you are discussing w/ Vandal. How about it?

Don
Game #5 Duns (yeah, we won!)
Game #56 Dragonlord
Game #66 Noldo

[seejaie]

Sorry to burst your bubble, Khamul, but you need armies to attract dragons. You could slay my elvish lords in face to face combat, but again you need armies to challenge commanders.... I hear studying curses is fun? Ooh ooh you could influence my camps away!

[donvant]

Just keep gloating. Actually, studying curses is fun, though not quite as much fun as slaying arrogant Freeps with them. Keep laughing funny-boy, maybe that will help sustain you through the coming turns.

Khamul

[smuller]

from the can't help myself dept,

somebody is spinning tales again. reads like my favorite punching bag, the candle, didn't really drop all his games. since hes on the uk 53 thread as of 9-16-04.
candle, i know your still reading this thread, so are we playing? lets start next week.
you read as if your still rather active, and not on vacation. candle, you are a low life, lying dog. unless its an out of body experiece, and somebody has taken your ID. (nah, the guy in uk 53 can't spell either) is your dog is actually doing your posting? but didn't he eat your homework. your just a coward. don't make start a thread.

sm

[vandal]

I dont like to point out the obvious but when we book a holiday like I am off today and not back until the 12th of next month it makes sense to let you know in advance.

God not having given you the good sense to do much else but act like the muppet you are, perhaps you can understand that, or do you need any more clarification upon the point.

I suggest before you go busting into other games you have never played in you think about it.

If you have any more message for me open a new site and let these guys get on with the game.

As regards any other games I can drop all games, start a new one join an old one any many other things.

If I have to spell that out to let me know but I would hope one does not have to.

But as you like throwing your money away and since my fllights booked, time of work booked, how much you want to bet on it your wrong as per the norm.

May I suggest you get back to the game as my holiday time is nothing to do with you and I do not like my private life interefered with. though perhaps you do.

Vandal( now on holiday after this point)

[American-Iron]

To One and All :cool:

Frank Redmond Vs Steve Mullers 12 v 12 game. No other players. Game to begin on 11/1/04. This is the final post from me on this. Either take the challenge or be quite and go home :D

Big Doug

[smuller]

candle,
i just dont read straight.
i recall that you dropped all your games (you were winning most of them too?), cause of a dispute with the moderator. then i see you post in uk 53, and this is uk 56. so you didn't drop, or it wasn't a dispute with the moderator. its those silly messages you write. i still like the one where you forgot for 7 days i accepted your challenge,and when i ripped you, you replied 12 hours later(as i foretold).
look, its okay, you got spanked out of your games. when you get back, lets start.
why am i so intense in this matchup? well, your a coward, and i'm reading the dune books by frank herbert. read you in late october.
jihad, jihad, jihad.

sm

don't we run turns this weekend. good luck to the free side

[Winsten Wun Toof]

*Hello there Frank

Winston you know very well I am banned from playing in any games with you following our disagreements in game 9.

I am surprised that the same restrictions do not apply to you.

*Really? I didn't know. I think to be accurate that that is the worst way to handle the situation. You sweep something under the carpet and it hasn't been "disappeared", it's just a lump under the carpet. Easily fixed, if and when you're ready, I can talk to Harley to fix that.

You should know very well that your threats to take action outside the game nor your backstabbing inside the game is why I dropped so many games nothing else.

Its a game and who needs to take it further, except you who have me beat hands down with your evil cunning love to twist a tale as you have the sneaky tricks and do love to backstab.

*Actually I don't backstab - I front stab, much more personal :-) I'm sure you would agree that I am not frightened to let you know what is on my mind. If you had submitted to the grudge as all other players do, then we could have slugged it out and put it away. Not so for you alas. As to threats outside the game, that is also not me. The entire message set from game 9 was recorded for your information by other players (I'm not nearly so anal). Who made personal threats is all there for the public records, and I know that you will find that I responded to a couple, and hosed off a couple others, but never made any. I might have mentioned that I would turn you upside down and use you for a beer cooler in some future challenge game though :-). In actual fact you couldn't get any further from the mark on me. I am about the straightest shooter you will ever come across. That's why I stood up to you, even when the fight wasn't mine. Now I would desist from making these interesting accusations on the public forum Frank, or I will go ask for some of those e-mails to be forwarded and we can see exactly who said what.

I am sure the Harad is this game was cheating as you suggested in joining this game, it must be true if you said so.

Perhaps it is gave you some pleasure to continue those personal attacks even when we played no games together but of course since this is the reason for my leaving this game.

*Hmmm. There are a couple of problems here Frank, you think this is all about me, and my gathering armies of darkness to take you on. It's all about YOU Frank. The game 9 allies weren't my stoolies, the only things we had in common were our regard for YOU. Now it's over we've all gone our separate ways and haven't spoken to each other since. Until recently I didn't know of any of the fellas here either, but it's like following a tornado, you just follow the trail of destruction and there you are. YOU are what we all have in common Frank. Ditto and Tony are my only regular allies. I don't gather hundreds of players to my cause, YOU forge them into an army against YOUR cause.

I should point out that at the time I dropped nobody had attacked me from the dark side so I have no idea where this idea that being attacked made me drop ever came from.

*Not sure which game you're referring to now? You've certainly passed some exotic mile stones in your games :-)

If the Long Rider did later good luck to him and no matter what went on in the game I still like Douglas and have no problems with him at all.

One cannot and does not want to spend my free time dealing with your wild claims as it simple spoils my fun and if its no fun why play.

*As is so commonly the case, the irony almost makes you weep. How different game 9 could have turned out if you had treated the rest of us the same way. The claims you make against other players are breath taking Frank. You accuse us all of exactly the behaviour we are clambering over each other to get at you for.

As regards your challange as well you know when first I accepted it you turned me down, its matter of e mail record and if you think you can prove otherwise do so.

*YOU WHAT???? Now let's be clear on this point. In the early stages of our arguments we both managed to calm down and it was agreed that we BOTH were in too many games already. Ever since I have been calling you out for a challenge with religious regularity. Being too busy does not equate to "Oooooh let's hold hands and not fight you big hairy chested barbarian". Since I have offered that you can pick your faction, take on your allies or play all the nations as you choose. And you can pick my nation for me if it'll make you feel better. Pretty much that's carte blanche, you do whatever you feel you need to in order to be confident enough to take the field. That doesn't sound too fearful now does it!

Hey if your croney in this game wants to follow the same old tricks good luck to him, but I am a bit perplexed.

*Just for the record Frank, I have no time for idiots. Anyone who would voluntarily strike a girly pose to blow hot air up my butt is a person that I would have nothing to do with. In terms you might understand, I don't have to tell stories about the letter I got from my last enemy to tell me what a big pecker I was in my last game. I value original thought - and in game terms I believe that every player that I do play with regularly could kick your butt for that reason. I give credit where credit is due, and I believe in a fair go for all..... that is until someone crosses the line and does harm to those around them. Do you want me to go on from this point? >:-(

I dont see where he ever accepted my challange so his lost me abut not taking him on but if he is also that great unbeatable player I am sure he will always win to.

*Hell Frank, I don't think it's that hard to beat you, that's not everyone's point. For most experienced players there are hundreds of players they can beat. It's you Frank, they want a part of you. You just don't get the YOU part of this equation. All these separate skirmishes you put down to a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with you, hell the rest of the world is full of tossers - you're okay......

So shall I refer to you both as master and servant or you have another name in mind

*Or you could call us Rob and Steve, or even Butt head and Tinkerbell would be acceptable, but Master and Servant only shows your ignorance of the people you are dealing with, and perhaps a bit about who you are. I have enough friends in the game that will stand up for me. That is a reflection of being a dependable and honest character Frank. Stop and do some thinking for a bit before you give it another run.

Rob aka Winsten Wun Toof

Vandal

[Winsten Wun Toof]

Frank Redmond Vs Steve Mullers 12 v 12 game. No other players. Game to begin on 11/1/04. This is the final post from me on this. Either take the challenge or be quite and go home :D

*:-D Well I never. Good luck y'all. Steve, $10 for a special set of fuzzy dice for my V6 :-)

*Disregard my last challenge, no point now (Steve regardless of what someone else says, we can never be friends :-) Be good, don't talk to strange people (each other), and don't kiss the boys you two.

*Wob, the wed hot wanger fwom v sowf (that's ranger by the way, though Mrs Rob might argue the toss - heee heee, I'm awf to bring joy to the little woman....... better warn her.........Hell NO! I'm a backstabber anyway :-)

Big Doug[/QUOTE]

[alex]

A view from the other side in game 9 (good)

It is a matter of record the good guys dropped, many fed up with Rob and Co and we had no problems with Vandals style of play.

Playing the dwarves and getting a good hiding is no shame, but Rob your messages to our side where neither wanted nor helpful.

Others on our side had the misfortune to play with and against you and told us to ignore your boasts, threats and other nasty comments.

As I am expresssing a view from the other side no doubt you have an explaination for why its not you but as far as I am concerned you know where you can stick it.

I can confirm that we of the good side where given information about the Dragon Lord by Rob and co and that contrary to his statements I will leave it to others to judge how you take that.

Defeat with honour is acceptable but to sell out your own side and deny it shows the level of your game play.

I have dropped all my games as my complaints to about this game fell on deaf ears.

Yes I have an axe to grind but until now we have said nothig from the other side.

If you want us to spill more about the so called things you did not do, but we can confirm you did, carry on, its stuck im my craw long enough lets get it out

Alex

[American-Iron]

I was the Rhudaur in game 9 and it was ugly. But I had no idea of the tramma and back stabbing that went on at such a level. This game tends to get big egos'. I for one have at least three :) Can we please put the past behind us and act like gentle folk? This from the Friggin Barbarien. go figure.
Big-Doug

[Winsten Wun Toof]

A view from the other side in game 9 (good)

It is a matter of record the good guys dropped, many fed up with Rob and Co and we had no problems with Vandals style of play.

*Well that is interesting. Given that no one other than Vandal even spoke to you until the end of the game. And that was after he had completely trashed our game, and then, a player on your side only received a couple of e-mails from our aaaar co., I find it interesting you formed such a comprehensive opinion, without actually talking to anyone?

Playing the dwarves and getting a good hiding is no shame, but Rob your messages to our side where neither wanted nor helpful.

*Since there were two messages, I can hazard a guess what you were referring to. Your team had some serious problems in gaming, ours with our players. You received some advice of a general nature how to stop getting whacked over the head without a fight. Please note the meaning of "general" no turn specific information. I am a punter, I like to help both allies and enemy alike, some learn, some don't, generally skills get better. You have no idea what our team had to deal with, or what it was all about. So by all means, have your opinions, but they dont count for much against what really happened in the DS team where the battles were fought out up close and personal.

Others on our side had the misfortune to play with and against you and told us to ignore your boasts, threats and other nasty comments.

*What the whole two messages that were not addressed to them? :-)

As I am expresssing a view from the other side no doubt you have an explaination for why its not you but as far as I am concerned you know where you can stick it.

I can confirm that we of the good side where given information about the Dragon Lord by Rob and co and that contrary to his statements I will leave it to others to judge how you take that.

*No, you didn't have to put up with him, and no you weren't given information. You were given general strategy advice that is good for combat against any enemy. Now slow down for a second, go back to the core issue, and ask yourself what a player has to do to get this kind of opposition.... a whole team. You weren't part of it, having a professional opinion on it isn't in your brief.

Defeat with honour is acceptable but to sell out your own side and deny it shows the level of your game play.

*Oh that is interesting, I thought we'd already addressed this. Now you are entering a part of our team game that you have no idea about, and took about a thousand e-mails to fight out. We stand solid on our victory on this front. You walk there at your own peril, but we can start to dig up team e-mails etc etc etc if you really want to know all about it.

*And selling out my side? :-) that's a funny statement. We overran your nations, you dropped when you were beaten. We had free reign. I was the dog lord. Remember who they were? They owned the iron hills, knocked out the Northmen, with the IK and DkLt's ran the Eoth ragged until he eliminated. 10 of us fought as a team, two did their own thing. 1 player's game harmed his whole team, you've asked me the question, but do you want to go there?

I have dropped all my games as my complaints to about this game fell on deaf ears.

*Yes well you wouldn't be alone there. Given our inability to settle the issue, and the cure has been mentioned often enough, no one is happy about the lack of assistance. If you want to do something productive, talk to Frank, rally whoever you want, and tell us where and when.

Yes I have an axe to grind but until now we have said nothig from the other side.

*Grind away, threat away, do whatever you like. I don't hide. I don't need to.

If you want us to spill more about the so called things you did not do, but we can confirm you did, carry on, its stuck im my craw long enough lets get it out

*Feel free to do whatever you want. There are two simple truths, you have no idea why the DS were so distressed, and a single one of your players received two e-mails from me, and another from another team mate. Ex allies, and yes there is some history there from long ago. Now we know where we stand. But not alot to form an educated opinion on. Still it's nice to know Frank has some support, it's been a little one sided so far.

*Now, I had intended to go away now, afterall this isn't my game, and the issues around Frank appear to have been resolved for now. Steve has his challenge game? All is well. You are at your own liberty to start something new or continue at which point it might be a bonus for you to take you off line and we can start bringing you up to speed on actual team e-mails from that game. They were all kept you know. We can show you exactly what was said on the DS, every ugly, nasty, warty little comment. Up to you really. But be warned, it's a lot different view than that from the comfort of not having been involved in a disintegrating in-fighting team. It wasn't an abstract concept where you just got to evaluate the PC power of an enemy player. Oh our view of game 9 was very different to what you saw.

Rob

Alex[/QUOTE]

[alex]

I cannot comment upon your sides problems and nor should I they are for you to deal with.

For the record yes its more than 2 messages and apart from lying through your teeth, a nice snow job may I say.

I suggest you go recheck yours and your buddies e mails you may come back with another story on the backstab.

But as I said to one who is a master deceiver great indeed was your sell out of your own side and much as you may deny it, the sad fact is it is recorded in history.

May I also take the time to point out I pay for my turn and if I wanted you to run them I should ask you and not visa versa.

Go on give us another porkie, they say if you lie hard enough you will fool most of the people most of the time!

Alex

[Ian Etchells]

Right that does it!!! I've read all the dribble I want to read on this thread. It was going along nicely with some nice fun poking and such between the sides but over the last few weeks its come down to a slugfest over my ****** is bigger than your ******

If you want to continue comparing your manhood then please start another thread and leave this one solely for the taunting of the FP by the DS and visa versa I suppose, if the FP ever have anything to taunt us DS by :-)

Sorry if this offends those of a sensitive nature (myself included) but I would like our thread back please.

[American-Iron]

I'm with Ian you bastards bugger off now! And I mean now or we will carry this to the point where it bother you blokes. Please only post if you are in 56. Thanks
Big Doug

[seejaie]

hey hey guys, you're breaking the mandated 24 hour no-posting period before a turn.

[smuller]

alas,
yet another regent 'napped by the evil baddies, at 3121 no less. scout/following i hope, and not guarding a camp. sadly, we are running out of starting mordor pop centers to burn, at least the stuff on the fringes. okay, and cloud lord towns too.
i'd like to thank the duns for providing n gondor with more targets, and with timber at 2/1, a public works project( or maybe two) to span the anduin has been given the green light.
im alittle busy burning the duns out, but its time to refocus on mordor.

sm# 6

[American-Iron]

:D Hello Freeps,

OK Mr Northmen now is the time for you time impress me. You asked me if I was going to keep barking as a little dog or bite. I might be wrong but I think it's chomping time. Let's get it on!
As for Mordor well let's just say some of my mates were busy in other places. The freep forces that do manage to invade will be meeting me :D Steve you had better really want those malls or send in someone else :cool:
The game will now begin to take on the Mid-game flavor and I'm very excited about that. First one in a long time. I for one will be doing alot of out of the box stuff. Well I guess the Eothraim and Northmen are very excited about getting started so 4217 should be mine this turn. I haven't decided about what to exactly do but I'm sure you will be given a challenging game. What do you guys think should I do crush the Holdings of the Northmen or attack the Eoplex. Let me know I'll allow you to chs

[cable]

well,well,well,the little doggie decided to try and bite.go ahead its all you are going to get.Just remember this "Those who come with a sword to us will die by that sword".I hate to be so harsh with such an obviously vetran player but I am sure the lessons I am going to teach you while painful and embarrassing will make you a better player. :D

David Pearson
NM #56
DUN #66
Aventes Fortuna Juvat

[Ian Etchells]

Well the turns are back in and the QA is smiling :D

Everything is going to plan!!! If I knew what it was in the first place then it would all be going to that plan :rolleyes:

Harad is about to be put to the sword. Any last words for this nation from the FP's?

My little Ji & his friends are doing their work well. Big reward for them coming from Adunaphel :)

All in all a good turn from what i've seen so far, may the rest be as good.

Oh yes FP expect some visitors in Rhun soon :p :p :p

[smuller]

ian,

is it the quiet avenger or is it step and fetch. go get the tricket bimbo.
lets see, you launch a suprise attack on the harad, and write alot.
and?
and?
and?
and?

ask your duns pal how his turn was today. another fiscal crisis coming your way.

suprises, oh yeah, we have those too.

sm#6

[American-Iron]

SMullers & Northmen,

Now I will bring justice to your lands. I guess the lessons will start next turn for me against the Nothmen as I took his Majortown and so much as a wimper. ;) The Eothraim will first lose the battle then the rest of what they own. Sinda better get recruiting as things are heating up and you are going to need to bail your buddies. :D
Big-Doug

[smuller]

doug,
anytime ace. see the smoke in the distance. thats dunland getting burnt. i had a promise to keep to the duns, "stab us and die." death delievered. too bad i had to get westward, but now to refocus the love of gondor eastward. hey, look, i still hold 3024.
now to really make an effort.

sm# 6

[American-Iron]

My Good Friend,

I will dispatch this menace of the Northwomen :p I will kick there funnels then come and lock horns with you. Two NYC BOYS. Talk about a rumble we guys invented it. Dude I blew my head gasket on my front V-Twin so this week I'm tearing my engine down and try to get in some fall riding :) I will be reaching out to you for a night of gaming soon. I'll give you at least a months warning. See you soon with glove on champ :D
Big-D

[smuller]

doug,
so that little spell of mine finally work. the charm of friction.
in the lingo of the board.
"prey tell man, that doth suck. thy fine and noble steed blew a shoe." or a gasket so to speak. get it fixed, and then advise on further. november and dec are a bit dicy( pun intended) with a bit of holiday travel setup. you should be wandering the 2 lane blacktop by you, the color should be nearly peak. nice.

sm#6
back to the game.
i'll have your head on a pig pole by summer

[American-Iron]

The Rolling Stones " You will be mine all mine" I'm gonna kick your fanny via eoplex ;) Thinking about a card game or a night of basic strategy gaming in January. I want you there :D I'm re doing the condo maybe you and the Misses could come for a super bowl pary and watch it on my 60" HDTV :) By the way haven't heard much from the Northwomen :p I guess they are planning a amssive invasion into there own territory which is now mine :D I was told this young rooster was gonna teach this tired old vet a thing or two. You have. One is you have no idea how to use your navy and two you cannot protect your pops even with help. Better bring all your people this was as a huge can of wup ass has just been delivered to 4217. Thanks for the majortown. Nothing like recruiting 400 a turn. I strongly suggest you move your capitol. My taking it will ruin your loyalties. Best part is I'm gunna stomp on ya with men at arms. Ha Ha HA.In the next few turns the full weight of my foces will be upon you and you willl heel like the dogs you are :p Maybe I'll pull a little Genges Khan as it worked last turn. Steve you might own 3024 for now but not long. Dunlend said he was satnding you off are you sure you underlings are giving you all the facts :confused:

[vandal]

Just a brief not Douglas old chap to say the game is afoot and the cards will fall as they do.

Yes the grudge match is on and running.

Wont bother you further as i see no need to talk about it until its done.

But no I dont expect it to finsh to quickly and I am not going to play you in the near future.

Vandal

[American-Iron]

Hey Frank,

Good luck to you and Steve :) At least this will settle it all for good :p

[smuller]

hes freep, i'm evil. harly dealt the cards.
first turn runs nov 3. the first day in which lawyers representing the losing presidental blueblood from Yale will be litigating to get the election overturned. please, like you guys are shocked the vanquished side are gonna get lawyers involved.

sm saurons henchmen in uk 72.

[seejaie]

LOL that is so funny because I can't actually tell which candidate you meant. Cheers for political ambiguity!

[Ian Etchells]

ian,

is it the quiet avenger or is it step and fetch. go get the tricket bimbo.
lets see, you launch a suprise attack on the harad, and write alot.
and?
and?
and?
and?

sm#6


I launch the surprise attack yes but whats so surprising is that it's working. So far all the fightings been on Harad's terrortory....oops now mine :p

And why not pick up those certain artefacts that just happen to be lying around near me, not that you would get the chance to :D

Ian
QA & now woof, woof......beware sm what's yours is now mine ;)

[seejaie]

First of all Ian. Once again your side has chosen to violate the all-important 24 hour quiet time before the turn. I am appalled. If the Sinda were anywhere near the Quiet Avenger, I would attack you and use order 253 on every pop center you have. That's right, you don't even have an order 253 cause I just made it up. That's how much I would nuke you. I just want you to think about that. Think about it like your chance in this game depended on it. Cause it does. Totally.

[Ian Etchells]

Not sure if I should write this as it appears that some of the FP would rather sleep for 24 hours prior to engagement but I do apoligise if my posting has offended anyone.

Gezzz and I thought I was the only one to know rule 253 :rolleyes:

[American-Iron]

Dear Fellow Players,

Is there a ban on writing notes 24hrs prior to a turn running? And Seajay me friend and Smullers my chum you know I think highly of both of you and that is why I'm going to kill you guys right after those pesky NorthWomen :D

Good luck to all my mates good and bad! Playing with players is it's own reward :D

Big-Doug

[garethgillingham]

As this is the first game I've been actively reading these boards ... I've never heard of this rule. What's it's purpose? what does it add? what does it stop?

[Michaelj2473]

Hi this is the Haradwaith, still putting up a good fight three against one, good odds. Well I have start to put up a second front, so the Corsairs went DS, sorry about killing Teldumeir good job you have a back up maybe this turn a Huge army to lose.
Well see you next turn.

[Ian Etchells]

Hi this is the Haradwaith, still putting up a good fight three against one, good odds. Well I have start to put up a second front, so the Corsairs went DS, sorry about killing Teldumeir good job you have a back up maybe this turn a Huge army to lose.
Well see you next turn.

3 against 1, come on you mean 2 against 1. Tell me how long do you expect your southern kingdom to survive? At this end of the next go you will only have your capital left and that not for long.

Then I start on your northern kingdom and that will be fun :D

Ian
QA and now woof, woof

[seejaie]

It was the usual kind of eternal night for the hard scrabble ice-elves of Lisgardh. Times were tough on the tundra, but they were easier spent in the tavern. Lucky and Tex looked up from the usual game of pinochle at the stranger who pushed open the bear-skin covering the door.

"Say, Tex, been a lot of strange folk around here lately."
"You said it Lucky, what do you s'pose this one wants."
"He sure looks pissed."
"Must be the 400 mile journey though blizzards and orc turds, or maybe his woman turned him out."
"Heee-hehehehe looking like that I wouldn't be surprised if he ain't seen much of that lately."

"Its too bad he couldn't have been another sweet-talking cutie like the last traveler."
"She sure was a looker. Eyes as big as Jolly Ranchers and had that nice big jewel with her too."
"Where did she say she was off to?"
"She didn't; too bad she didn't stick around."
"Shucks"

[American-Iron]

:eek:

Oh where, oh where have the Northwomen gone? Oh where, oh where can they be? We kill and we crush and stomp your commanders with glee. :D I have to say you sure did teach this old dog some new tricks about 4217. Have the Eothraim toss their men to die for you? :p Good Trick :D Watch for the whiz bang a coming this time around ;)

The Venerable,
Big Doug

[Ian Etchells]

:eek: Gosh with all the Eothraim over to the East who's defending the Eoplex from the nasty Dog Lord cavalry sitting on the NG's town....oops ruin :D

[smuller]

and i laughed....

that blip at 3116 is an army? talked to the duns recently? better make it soon, cause hes about to suffer from "forced" relocation. next thing you know, all those s gondor troops you haven't seen just might appear.
wait, north gondor could actually have more then 3,000 troops in the field? enjoy your comments from far far away, after first removing your harbors/ports.
we are coming, and we don't send 1000 troops. is that timber at 2/1?
have you sunk any of our shipping? no, i didn't think so.
sm
sailing, sailing ....and i brought a few (cardy, noldo, sinda) friends along. we call this intervention, with 2 numbers left of the comma, as in 10,000.

[American-Iron]

Just more fodder for our daggers :D

[smuller]

got a message from the corsairs,
well played evil types. you have landed the duns, rhudar, easterlings and corsairs.
my teammates may take the n gondor position, but i am removing myself from play.
good luck in all things to everyone, unless your an evil in uk 61, a freep in 238, or involved in uk 59.

sm # 6 no more

[Ian Etchells]

Hi SM,

I'm sorry to see that you are leaving us. The FP team that you have is a good one, I hope that someone picks up your position. Also I hope that we can play together in future.

This games not over yet, just starting.

Ian
QA & Dog Lord

[Elves1us]

Arthedain here - I'm out as well. I think we'd be more than willing to face the DS team in a grudge game but a 4-0 advantage is a bit much (especially when two players were predetermined to go dark). Well fought however, maybe we'll see each other again.

Will

[Ian Etchells]

Arthedain here - I'm out as well. I think we'd be more than willing to face the DS team in a grudge game but a 4-0 advantage is a bit much (especially when two players were predetermined to go dark). Well fought however, maybe we'll see each other again.

Will

Hi Will,

It's a 4-1 advantage but I see what you mean, soon to be a 4-0 advantage :D

Only one neutral was predetemined to go dark from the off. The others were hard work recruiting....but eventually they saw Sauron as their Master.

It helped a lot that some of us knew the Dun player from previous games and also the Corsair player (both of whom I played with in my last game).

I must say though that the FP have played this game really well and I hope to play with or against you in the future.

Saying that I also hope that this game does continue because it is a long way from being over. Even with the advantage in neutrals no nation has yet been killed and the FP still hold various advantages.

Ian

[vandal]

I assume as you are dropping your name shall be Candle 2?

Vandal

[donvant]

What is it with you guys dropping? We worked for, and got, neutrals to join with us. Immediately after talking up your "huge" bad-assed naval strength heading our way, you quit? Why? Is it absolutely, positively impossible for 10 nations to defeat 14, especially when several of the 14 are still recovering from being mauled? I guess the answer is "yes", it is impossible, since most just suffer from "heart failure", as in no heart, and drop. What a disappointment.

And, even though I DO NOT want to get re-involved in the pee-ing contest, that last post by Vandal is just damned funny!

Don

[smuller]

I assume as you are dropping your name shall be Candle 2?

Vandal

a familiar smell rentered the board from self imposed exile.

Candle,
please, your revisionist history is constant, and amusing. that will be settled in our little game 72. still haven't dropped 53. read that you dropped everything, despite winning nearly all your games. funny how that didn't happened. oh, you wrote it, and a lot of other funny prattle. nice to see even after you left, and swore this board off, you still sneak in and look. your like the little fat kid eating cookies hes not supposed to eat, when his parents aren't looking. somebody on the evil side hurt your feelings, or this game wasn't a challenge, it was the second monday in a september with two full moons, or was it that darn dog eating your turn again. somewhere in there are the reasons you fled. i gotta remember to change the locks on the doors of uk 56. oh wait, now i have left too. hence, you and i have game 72. i look foward matching up, and rolling over you. and no, you will call me Daddy. i keep forgetting, i thought you didn't want to communicate with me anymore, as it was a waste of your time. candle, still laying down rules, and not obeying them. tisk, tisk, please don't whine to clint yet again. it's cowardly, so its well within your nature. thats like the third time i have tagged you with that label, it fits so well. gonna threaten to fly to NY and spank me? fly southwest into islip airport here on long island. just like your "challenge game", i'll pick up any nonsense you lay down, and beat you with it. i do enjoy watching you dance around accountablility. don't deny it, i save my emails from you, so as i feel sorry about the whipping i'm dealing onto you, those precious ramblings inspire me to slap you more. never hit send mail when your angry. see you on 11/03/04, when our orders run.
but i digress(as usual). donvant, i'm not interested in playing in a 14-10. yes, several of your nations were mauled, including yours, rather badly. the entire free side thanks you for the compliment. first, candle says the game is no challenge. considering the way the duns and rhudar joined the evil side in an unannounced attack( i have no issue with that, our guys should have been paying more attention), you should be embarrassed at the state of the game. i kinda have a better opinion of the corsairs player, and the impact his nation will have on the game, then you. i'm sure your dissappointed, as i am, at the outcome of this game. but its a game, and theres always another one down the road. you and the evil side played well. sometimes, thats all you get. i don't know what the others are doing, but i wish them well. they are good players, and even better teammates. you should not question there heart, esp the woodmen, cardy and sinda.
who was you original witch king player? his opening moves were excellent with respect to mirkwood. had we not charged at 1804 early, he would have been in very fine shape.

R/S
sm

[vandal]

Candle (master) to Candle 2 (servant)

This is a free Forum and feel free to talk about the games as much as you like, it is not for me to stop you posting as you wish within the remit of gaming.

Now the question I have to ask is if you want to take it outside of the game and send me mails to that effect do I have to put up with it, well my answer is no I dont.

Hence a not unreasonable request that both of us refrain from sending mails to each other.

After all is it not enough the loser pays for the games and has to give up gaming, now is that not a true grudge game?

As regards game 53 it is recorded that my nation missed a turn, in a drop, then became active again.

However since you are incapable of understanding basic English, perhaps spelling it out like this, since it now will not harm the team, will enlighten you.

I am quite happy to let you ask the question of ME and when you have the answer perhaps you will learn the error of your way.

Not that I think you will and dont think I am going to go running to Clint to break you, your broken already, the nasty bile you send me tells me so.

Oh I am going to enjoy crushing you its only a shame you refused my side wager, but all mouth and little else.

However enough of this me thinks lets open our own game 72 mesage box and we can taunt each other all day long

Vandal

[Ian Etchells]

We the DS would like to know if the whole FP team are quitting this game or is it just the 2 nations that are dropping?

We also believe that there is a lot of fighting and dying still to go.

[smuller]

Candle (master) to Candle 2 (servant)

*thats to be determined in uk 72. run your gums, but it won't change the final result. i not only like candle, but also fwanker, for my british friends*

This is a free Forum and feel free to talk about the games as much as you like, it is not for me to stop you posting as you wish within the remit of gaming.

* excellent, theres nothing more i enjoy then your typing this tripe, and then you wishing not to email me, nor recieve mail from me. i feel thats coming. wait for it bold readers, its coming.*

Now the question I have to ask is if you want to take it outside of the game and send me mails to that effect do I have to put up with it, well my answer is no I dont.

* somewhere in that dribble, was there a question? i didn't read one, or see a question mark. i think he doesnt want emails, but maybe somebody could explain that response*

Hence a not unreasonable request that both of us refrain from sending mails to each other.

*ah, there it is guys. the don't email me. then why are you here? didn't you leave in a sissy tissy. theres another question, while i await your first promised question*

After all is it not enough the loser pays for the games and has to give up gaming, now is that not a true grudge game?

* no. a true grudge game is 2 guys who have a grudge with each other over a game, settle it over the game. grudge game, you dolt. a bet / wager is when theres money involved. i feel your gonna tell me i don't understand english in the near future. work on that grudge vs bet concept. theres no way to enfore a loser pays option, and while my opinion of you is known, i don't think i'm gonna ban myself from playing mepbm. the red sox's won the world series, it might be catching. also, theres no way to enforce such a ban.*

As regards game 53 it is recorded that my nation missed a turn, in a drop, then became active again.

* whatever. your point, like you, is pointless. this game 56, so its also misplaced, like you. as for records, i listen to cd's.i'm certain the guys in game 53 were happy you missed a turn, leaving them in bind.*

However since you are incapable of understanding basic English, perhaps spelling it out like this, since it now will not harm the team, will enlighten you.

* i knew that english thing was coming. what team is that? my third question, while i still am waiting for your first promised question. you left 56 before choosing a team. if this is about 53, your (once again) in the wrong place.*

I am quite happy to let you ask the question of ME and when you have the answer perhaps you will learn the error of your way.

* wow, i'm sad that your happy. sounds like your spoiling for a game. good news, we have one. as for errors, ways and such. we have game 72.*

Not that I think you will and dont think I am going to go running to Clint to break you, your broken already, the nasty bile you send me tells me so.

* okay. no, you don't think (read your first 4 words "not that i think". i crack myself up sometimes.). you have already run to mommy clint, (i'm your daddy, fwank). yeah, i'm broken. where did that come from? fourth question, wheres that one you promised?( fifth question). call me more stuff. i will enjoy reminding you of it with the final uk 72 results.*

Oh I am going to enjoy crushing you its only a shame you refused my side wager, but all mouth and little else.

* right. you might crush me, but at least you understand grudges and wagers. take a number and join the long line to the left.oh, i have been crushed before, but its a long line, that moves really slow. yes i have a big mouth. then again, didn't you expect me to squeek when you dropped your big challenge? (sixth question) I had to wait 6 weeks while you were in analysis, i mean holiday, to start a gamewhere i'm gonna get crushed. i really need a good crushing, i have waited 6 weeks for it. at least you had the sense to rest up before playing. *

However enough of this me thinks lets open our own game 72 mesage box and we can taunt each other all day long

* fwanker, just so we are clear on this. as per your last "enough of this me" i have had enough of you, but you need more analysis. how many "me's" are there of you candle? is this the bad candle, is there a good candle? whatever gets you wet. once 11/03/04 comes about, my results will speak volumes. should you open a game 72 folder, could you drop that question you promised me, along with your promised crushing. *
Vandal


ian,
back to your 56 question, while i await fwankers promised question. the arthedian and n gondor players have withdrawn. plan for the game to continue.

sm

[DaveHolt]

hey! I wanna know more about who's dropping in game 53..... or is that a typo in multiple postings?

[seejaie]

We are deciding what to do and debating who will take over whom if we continue. I will let you DS know when we have decided.

cj, sinda

[vandal]

Oh deep is my joy if I am a Fwanker does that make you Mwanker and what does the M and F stand for, male female or something else, you sure you want to go down ths route?

Indeed the question of the loser paying is not enforceable but you agreed to it (oh yes I kept that e mail) and harp on about honour oh so much, are you really telling me you have none?

Not a shock so as you dont like the idea, I will let you off, lets not quibble about money, I can live with the the kudos of kicking your whatever.

By the way who is holding your hand on this and helping you, for a man without honour, well what else can on think.

I can smell that devil on your shoulder whispering in your ear, but hey go for it, you need the help.

Please carry on your but can we take our bitter sweet responses to our own forum.

You are free to get as depraved as the Forum allows, just dont mail me direct, I have asked you more than once and that should be enough.

Vandal

[donvant]

sm,

I'm not questioning your teammates hearts. They've played well. I personally could have done better, but this is how I will learn, being not very experienced in ME. The original WK dropped, I forget why. He seemed to have things well in hand. In fact, he crafted the opening Mirkwood moves. 'Course, then he dropped, leaving me admittedly over my head.

By the way, I'm NOT embarrassed by the state of the game, since as I stated earlier, I'm learning. Don't give a rat's a$$ about how you perceive me, either. I was told by several others that you are a highly experienced, very talented ME player. So yes, I am disappointed to see you drop. This is a team-oriented game, yes? I've been playing team-type games for over 33 years. I do not bail on my team.

So, now that you and Frank have left this game, I'm thinking that you will stick to insulting one another on that game's thread, right?

Don

[vandal]

Now I to by the way know why the WK dropped but does it really matter at the end of the day, players should be allowed to drop if they like.

Knowing why he dropped I would suggest you dont pursue the matter as enough coals have been draged over in this game.


Some sleeping dogs should be left

Vandal

[Michaelj2473]

This is the Haradwaith here,

I am not dropping because I would like to get my land back from the QA, Mike.

[Ian Etchells]

This is the Haradwaith here,

I am not dropping because I would like to get my land back from the QA, Mike.

Sorry there is no chance of that. What yours is now mine. Your southern kingdom first then next turn then I start on your northern kingdom, just for fun mind you :p

[smuller]

sm,


By the way, I'm NOT embarrassed by the state of the game, since as I stated earlier, I'm learning. Don't give a rat's a$$ about how you perceive me, either. I was told by several others that you are a highly experienced, very talented ME player. So yes, I am disappointed to see you drop. This is a team-oriented game, yes? I've been playing team-type games for over 33 years. I do not bail on my team.

So, now that you and Frank have left this game, I'm thinking that you will stick to insulting one another on that game's thread, right?

Don


you have played very well. your very tenacious(i think i goofed the spelling there.) i meant no criticism, other then a defense of my teammates. if i went overboard, i apologize. savor that, i don't do it often. when i'm wrong, i'm wrong.
while this is a team oriented game, the free side all joined solo, or in my case, with the s gondor player. hes played before, but is rusty. so, its not a team game in a grudge sense, but we have worked toward common goals as a side. for my part in all that intrateam planning, the others can comment. i will venture to say i would foward the n gondor nation if the game was ending, and be pleased with the nations current disposition.
my dropping has to do with some math. a safe assumption is that in a 14-10 setup, the side with 14 will execute 96 more orders per turn. thats 4 nations, 12 heros per nation, 24 orders per nation. at this point, 12 heros is probably cutting a few of you short. in additon, the corsairs gives you 6 m towns, 1 city to work with to support your damaged nations. to what degree you will work together, i don't know. eliminating your damaged nations has just gotten a lot harder if you mesh well. your side has played well, and the 1922 is evidence you exchange pop centers(as you should.)
finally, both gondors agreed to retire if the game went 14-10 at game start. certain neutrals ( i believe) were informed of this fact. call it a bailout if you choose, but it be what it is. i have enjoyed this game, and look foward to playing with/ against all of you in the future.
as for candle, i have no idea why he bantered twice again, and then again twice after my response. i set up game 72 folder where we can flog each other in public, and you can amuse yourselves with the results. as for our game, i'm confident of victory. i'm sure hes confident too.
if we aren't on different sides, then i wish you luck in all things.

sm

[seejaie]

Well its looking like the free people are gonna stay in this. Arthdain is staying on and we will be getting replacements for those who choose to drop. We figure if tolkien's good guys could win 15 on 10, we can surely beat 14 of you.

[retrorotty]

Dwarves arent dropping its just starting to warm up.

14/10 with no North Gondor player, there my kinda odds.

RR

[Ian Etchells]

I'm glad you the FP have decided not to drop. This ones still touch and go even with a 14-11 advantage.

[garethgillingham]

I have to say to the free you'd be in better shape if the early free diplomacy had been (as a team) better. Some players (Sinda + North gondor for instance) can hold their head up high on this one but most of the team is a big zero.

[donvant]

sm,

Apology accepted. Now, please accept mine. I forget sometimes that what someone has written may not come across to me in the tone meant. I did not know (obviously) of any pre-agreement on your side if it went to 14 vs 10, that also changes my perception, somewhat. Still, I am sorry to see you go. Good luck to you, too. I look forward to meeting you again sometime here in ME.


Remaining Freeps,

Yeah, that's the spirit! Now, prepare to be skewered.

Don

[Ian Etchells]

Remaining Freeps,

Yeah, that's the spirit! Now, prepare to be skewered.

Don

Yeah!!! Roast Dwarf on a spit, garnished with Elf ears ;)

[Ian Etchells]

Well news from down south is depressing for Harad :D

All he has left of Southern Harad is his capital and that not for long :) Then it will be time to rebuild the bridge and for the QA to pour her armies into Northern Harad. Life just doesn't seem fair at times :p :p

[Ian Etchells]

A bit Quiet on here, are you FP's on holiday?

The ssshhhh Avenger

[Ian Etchells]

Note to Harad : ARE YOU LOST?

Harad's navy can be found at 2134. I presume that it tried to land troops at Vamag but I can't remember when, was it turn 3 or even turn 2 that the harbour was ripped out :D

The QA now has an army at Harad's old capital and will defeat his army there this turn. I even have brought a scaly pet along to watch the fun :)

Whats even more embarrissing is that I've got another encounter for another pet but would recruiting him be classed as an overkill? :p

Cheers,
Ian

[Ian Etchells]

A merry Christmas and happy New Year to everyone.


Cheers,
Ian

[rickedorsey]

Thanks Ian,

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and all your evil smelly friends, also.
A sincere message from the good guys,

Rick

[Ian Etchells]

I hope everyone had a great New Year.

Whats this I see a FP army icon on a Harad town. Are you there to protect it from the nasty QA or are you after a piece of the action as well? All I can say is hands off its all mine.....hahahahahaha

The Eothraim are going to lose two MT's this turn, now thats gotta hurt...ouch!

Rick - Mirkwood will soon be full of trash...all those decaying FP bodies FP starters

[garethgillingham]

burning my camps lol it's a bit late now you should have cut down the numbers by placeing your own, my emmies will take back the ones you spend money to place, as with free alambar, it was :)

and as you burn 2 (maybe the sinda fail) I place more with other emmies. lol

Gareth

[vandal]

Well Doug if you are still playing, so endeth my 12 v 12 on turn 5 with a good side victory.

Needless to say I was playing the good side, so do we still have issues you want to test on the battlefield or have you calmed down now?

Vandal

[American-Iron]

Frank-A-Roo,

Have I calmed down? When was I excited? Did I mention I played with your past teammates in a grudge game? We imploded... Twice. Rob, Ditto, Tony, Javi and Alex all had problems with me. Steve dropped me a note saying he conceded the game to you. Now you are wondering if I want to play a head to head game with you? I wanted to be allies with you in this game(56) you bone head. I still have never seen a better Dragon Lord then the one you played when I was Rhudaur. No no you go and get someone else to pony up $120 bucks a turn. I have enough trouble with one to two nations let alone 12 :eek:
You go and enjoy your well earned victory :) My hat is off and now you can scratch Steve at will. Still was it worth almost $600 or so. If my ex-wife knew I had that kinda disposable cash wallowing about I would be back in court faster then a rattler(snake) can strike. Congrats again and enjoy your victory. It's a good win as Steve is a very good player. Both you hombre's are ranked much higher then me. See you in the next one as now I'm sure you will have the time on your hands ;)

[vandal]

Well thats good to hear, no more grudge issues to deal with then.

I have to say that the Dragon Lord position was the best I have perhaps ever played and when you consider that my own side never sent me any gold for the first 10 turns, well it was a feat to stay afloat, let alone take out all those about me.

Mind you one needs a bit of luck as well and I had it all in that game, I doubt I shall enjoy such again.

Alas I only aspire to achieve it again and its like a dream one just cannot find.

Well hey everyone had issues with Rob and co so whats new, if you did not do as he said he stuck it to you and sold you out to the other side, I wont hold that against you.

So are you going to put a crazy grudge team together so we can kick some butt?

Steve is history and not one I care to record but let it fade and die.

Vandal

[rickedorsey]

Congrats to ds team on a good victory. My FP compatriots have chosen to call it quits. I was the only vote to continue.

Rick - Woodmen & lately, Dwarves

[American-Iron]

Had fun in this one. All you freeps thank you!

[vandal]

So Iron old chap ready for some grudge action?

Just finished my 12 v 3 player game with a win to and time to rebuild the team

Vandal

[garethgillingham]

I had fun running the corsairs. I know a bit more about the game now having started once as free once as dark and once as neutral,

unfortunatly i don't check these boards often enough so got no warning of the end of game assuming this is it.

cheers good gameing to all in the future

[Ian Etchells]

I wish to thank everyone DS, FP & Neutral alike for such an enjoyable game.

I'm just glad to say that I have learned a few bits extra in this game and hope to learn a few more in my next.

Woohhooo the DS WIN :D

Ian
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