Threatening

[Illuvatar]

Hello,

I have a commander who does not have the required number of troops in his army to threaten. However there is another army in the hex of a nation of the same Allegeance with lots of troops.

Will my threat have a chance to succeed, or are the basic requirements of the order that my nation have the required number of troops (in whatever number of armies) - with any addition armies of other nations simply providing a bonus?

Thanks

[herman]

Only armies of your nation will count towards the threat, you will still have a chance of success even without the required number but it will be greatly reduced in it's chance of succeeding.

Regards Herman

[VEO]

Threatening is based on Command Rank. Troop numbers are there to confuse. A 10 commander with a million troops couldn't threaten anything.

[Illuvatar]

ok thanks for your response that is all I needed to know.

[El Gringo]

Take VEO's response with a grain of salt... I've used 40ish commanders with 3k+ troops to threaten MT/Forts many a time. Numbers probably have the same impact as command rank (in relation to 'required' numbers).

[VEO]

Command rank vs Loyalty. The "formula" is pubished and I've never seen it fail.

[bernout]

Command rank vs Loyalty. The "formula" is pubished and I've never seen it fail.

I don't know if I've seen this formula before...can you give a reference to it please?

Thanks,

Bernout

[sibroc]

I don't know if I've seen this formula before...can you give a reference to it please?

Thanks,

Bernout

I don't know if this is what Brad is talking about.

"...Start by finding the "Force needed to threaten" figure from the "Population size factors" table in the rule book. Then turn your actual troops into a percentage of that, so you might have 90% or 150% of the troops theoretically "needed to threaten", then apply:

Chance = comm rank + % of troops - pop centre loyalty - 20 per level of fort - 25 if capital

..."

The above, plus lots of other interesting things, can be found in Laurence G.Tilley's site (http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/me.htm).

The formula seems to work, at least in my experience, if it gives a 85-100% chance of success it never fails.

Symeon

[Ed Mills]

There is always a 5% chance of catastrophic failure. Increasingly, I am becoming convinced there is a 5% chance of catastrophic success.

[darrell]

5% chance of catastrophic success.

I am imagining threatening a pop center and not only succeeding, but having it grow one level in the process. ;)

[Ed Mills]

I'm imagining a 30s commander going evasive with 3500 troops.

[bernout]

The above, plus lots of other interesting things, can be found in Laurence G.Tilley's site (http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/me.htm).

The formula seems to work, at least in my experience, if it gives a 85-100% chance of success it never fails.

Thanks for the info Symeon!

Bernout

[VEO]

Yes Symeon, that's one of the versions of the formula I was talking about.

I think Ed's 30 commander successfully threatened MT/Fort's "many times" after that evasive manoever... ;)