Game 45

[happymadcat]

Greetings to all players of good, evil and neutral alliegence..

We the Southern Kindgom wish everyone a good game!
We wish to remind everyone we are neutral and all are welcome
to the halls of the Southern Kindgom providing they come in
peace...

happymadcat@yahoo.co.uk

[DennisBarry]

South Kingdom here as well. I am very interested in talking with all nations, especially those alligned who I call nieghbors and future comrades.

centrovert@gmail.com

[happymadcat]

Dennis,

You mean the North Kingdom don't you? We both can't be SK! Lol

Guy Roppa

[DennisBarry]

List of things to do tonight...

play chess online while waiting for set up and log into forum at 2 AM
not think about work or school
pull me head out o' me butt
type pitiful post to save face

Yeah... North Kingdom.

[happymadcat]

Don't stress Dennis... We all post in the middle of the night and it often
comes out wrong.. :) Have emailed you..

Guy SK

[MorgulHammer]

Nation of the Macabre greet thee all,

morgulhammer@yahoo.com

---------------------------------

[Socrates]

Tuatha DeDanu signing in.
We are a neutral nation seeking to open dialougue with all nations. We come from a lost continent and have settled in the region of Harandor.
We would like to open friendly diplomatic relations with all reasonable nations.

hermetictruth@yahoo.com

[happymadcat]

Greetings nations of Macabre and Tuatha DeDanu...

I'll be emailing the Tuatha DeDanu nation as we are neighbours :)

SK

[Tine]

A flowery greeting to everybody. Yes Guy, Flowerpower is I; but the idea is Ricard's. I was actually thinking of another theme for this game, but here we go again :)... I welcome exchange about flowers, beer and even the game with everyone of every possible alligience under bettinajwagner@web.de
Have a nice game everybody!
Tine

[happymadcat]

Greetings Tine, we meet again.. Now where are you? Lol

[Tine]

Close :)))
Tine

[happymadcat]

Yep, worked out exactly where you and Ricard are. Knowing both of your
gaming styles well it was'nt hard. Mmmm, this could be quite interesting.. :P

[zanussi]

Greetings all,

Nice to see a few familiar names.

Have a nice spot in Rhun which I hope to enjoy for some time to come.

Adam

[happymadcat]

Greetings Adam of Rhun,

Feel free to email at happymadcat@yahoo.co.uk

SK Guy

[Rollin Roberts]

Imperians on board. I will email all those nations in immediate proximity individually so as not to inadvertently disclose their locations should one side or another not have that info. I look forward to a good game and fun for all. Diplos are welcome at the following:

imperians@yahoo.com

[Er Murazor]

Hello All

Occitan Kingdom here. It seems plenty of neutrals on the forum!! I'm neutral and open to any alliegance change.

er_murazor1650@yahoo.com

Ricard.-

[happymadcat]

Hello All

Occitan Kingdom here. It seems plenty of neutrals on the forum!! I'm neutral and open to any alliegance change.

er_murazor1650@yahoo.com

Ricard.-

Aaaaaaaaggghh, not you aswell! Stop following me into games Ricard! :p

[Rollin Roberts]

Seems we neutrals are the only ones communicating....perhaps that will change shortly.

Rollin

[Urzahil]

Welcome all. Dark Servant nation Obsidian Order checking in. I'd be glad to hear from any and all non-Dark Servants, whether you're Neutral or Free Peoples.

Mike Mulka (urzail@darkfortress.us)

[happymadcat]

Hey Urzy!

Isnt Sauron dead in this age?
Best wishes from the SK

Guy SK

[DennisBarry]

It would appear that I find myself between the Hammer (DS) and the Anvil (Free):eek: ! None-the-less, I would like very much to be friends with the five or six nations I call neighbors here in the northwesten quadrant of the map:) . I feel that in order to facilitate an open and "friendly" environment, I need to state early what my intentions and boundaries are:) .

Firstly, I made plans for this from day one:D ! Do not think that you have caught this incarnation of the NK by surprize:cool: . I ensured that I had at least one b/u cap, spent more than the minimum on my armies and spent my SNA gold as wisely as I could;) . I am ready for a T2 war and I am willing to fight one with any nation or alliance who launches a preemptive strike:mad: . I could survive your fury for quite sometime:D . Can your nation say the same:confused: ?

With that having been said (and emoticoned:p ), let it be known that I would like to stay neutral for as long as possible. I understand the fact that an alliance may try to strongarm me several turns from now, and who knows, I may be convinced to join the cause. However, that is many turns from now.

Between now and T12, the following rules apply:
1. If attacked by any nation, I will do my best to elimate the attacking nation from the game by whatever means necessary. If any of said attacker's allies get involved, I will do my best to eliminate the allies/ drag other neuts into the frey. Please note this rule applies to ALL my PC's... even the ones far flung from Arnor!

2. No nation may place camps in Arnor's nation set up boundaries without my prior consent. All requests for camp placement will be considered. Any camp placement which has not been approved will considered an act of agression and may result in the camps destruction and/or the destruction of other PC's of the placing nation. Furthermore, any camp "lawfully" placed is not allowed to be upgraded. An upgrade will result in the destruction of the PC.

3. No army may end its movement in Arnor's nation set up boundaries without proir notification. Army movement through Arnor is allowed, and welcome, but I would appreciate knowing what the turns final hex would be in advance. This fosters trust and ensures no immediate misunderstandings between your armies and my own. The information of this type disclosed to me will go no further in the game, and I have no need to know the intentions of the army.

Also, hey boys and girls, it's a big world out there! There is no need to travel in the hills and rough hexes inside of Arnor, nor along the roads going trough them. Take the scenic route and go around!

4. Character actions against the NK are frowned upon. I can't stop you from scouting my Pc's and armies. I can't stop you from influencing my PC's. I can't stop you from attempting to steal gold. I can, however, seek revenge for such activity... and reserve the right to do so in what ever manner I see fit.

Finally, in an effort to live up to my self proclaimed reputation as the Devil; keep in mind that I know much more about all of you, oh good neighbors, than you do about myself.

5. Simple rule of thumb here... the more you attack or provoke me... the more I suspect you know about/plot against me... the more I am willing to give to your opposistion. Opposition whom I'm sure would leave me well enough alone to go about my business!

My thanks to anyone who actually made it this far in the reading. I wish you all a great game. Please understand that I am not trying to be a pain in posting all this. Rather, I want everyone to be aware of where I stand in regards to my current position. Simply put, I'll be a nice guy if you are. Follow some simple rules and I'll feel all warm and safe.

Turn into a pest: I'll exterminate you!

Dennis centrovert@gmail.com

[happymadcat]

I had to have a tea break during that long post read... Lol.. Needless to say
but I'll babble it out; the SK does not welcome any army movement within
the SK's bounderies without prior agreement. Any such action will be seen
as a declaration of war..

Also any camping within 4 hexes of 2924 will also be seen in the same
light... Treat the SK with respect and we'll treat you with respect..

I'm more than happy to talk to any players about the game

Over and out

Guy SK

[MorgulHammer]

All neutrals will hear from the Macabre, we wish mutual respect and cooperation among all of these undecided, potential allies.

After having read the posting of the NK, I am well aware of your position and will abide by your rules/regs.

Let it begin,

Jaz Macabre

[wyndhammer]

From the Halls of Opium,

Comes greetings from the emissaries of the Vice(smokecloud...) Lords. We intend to seduce/induce the "Free" Peoples into relaxation at one of Our plush brothels where Orc Women look good on you!! The Neutrally Inclined will find the Halls of Viewing a great place for wheeling and dealing...not just Hobbit Leaf either. My fellow DS are welcome to the Platinum Membership card included with your resultsheets...what's mine is yours lol

And so to all, let us take time to reflect on Our pastimes, and realize this...everyone has a Vice. What is taboo to you, may be the next great thing...
So share with your friends in the know...come knock on the Halls of Opium and let us bring food, beverage, whatever the pleasure to your tables.
We await your depravity with open eagerness,
Seneschal of the Vice Lords

[Rollin Roberts]

Crime in Imperia!!!! We got a drug user in the house?! Dude, you may want to consider taking up a hobby, or get yourself a girlfriend. Drugs will just make you a dullard.

Imperians

[Caleb Hudelson]

Greetings to All from the Rangers of Lorien!

I look forward to talking with the Neutral Nations and ... well... showing the DS the tip of my sword! I hope for a long and interesting game.
Good luck to ALL!

Caleb
calebh@frontiernet.net

[wyndhammer]

:eek: A drug user....really??:cool: The Halls of Opium are open to all except Hobbits...they eat too much and spend too little...get it...little
Let us come to the knowledge that the Free crave the one thing that is not attainable, Freedom! One must realize that life itself is fleeting and those who are unfettered know the boundless limits of self indulgence. You are Free to engage in depravity til your heart's content...only you know when it is time to sober up and face the cold truth that Freedom is never yours.
So drugs are a crime in Imperia. And I need a girlfriend you say? Hhmmh. One is only a criminal when you are caught. And friends are trivial...they only abide in the Halls til their money runs out or hosts' coffers run dry. Then they scurry to find a new "friend" to lay their troubles on. The Seneschal makes all folk feel at home in Our realms. A free pass to Our audience hall is extended to all!! Bring no gifts now, we will collect later. Let us first indulge ourselves in a good game of Kick the Free from MiddleEarth.
Imperia, ask yourselves this question: when the bluffing and bluster ends and the Free Nations find themselves giving in to their "noble" peasant masses, will your nation number among them? Or will you embrace the destiny placed before you and subjugate all within your reach? Bring the law of Imperia to the lawless Rangers of Lorien. The Elves in their immortality know the truth of what we say! Why do you think they choose to leave MiddleEarth? They chase the lusts of their hearts to pass the endless years of life given them. The greatest gift to them is to forget ...
:p That's better. Now we understand each other and can be friends.
Seneschal of the Vice Lords

[DrakaraGM]

Greetings All --

The Free nation of the White Temple can be reached at:
DrakaraGM@aol.com

We are especially interested in discourse with our close Neutral neighbors the Tuatha DeDanu, and the mighty South Kingdom a wee bit further north, but messages from all Neutrals are most welcome -- and we will even reply to any Dark Servant who choose to send us a missive. :-)

It looks to be an interesting game -- here's hoping we can persuade some of you fine Neutral folks that the Free Peoples are the ones to join... :-)

-- Ernie III

[Humakt101]

Greetings from the Horadrim:

Hello folks, here's hoping we all have fun this game.

To my neighbor, the South Kingdom: I have no intention of placing camps in your territory, but if you happen to need anything, please let me know.

To my fellow Free Peoples: Good Hunting.

Starkad, Lord of Northern Mordor.

[Urzahil]

Hey Urzy!

Isnt Sauron dead in this age?
Best wishes from the SK

Guy SK

Sauron may have passed. Some of his minions are still about, though. ;)

Mike
45-Obsidian Order
urzahil@darkfortress.us

[DennisBarry]

My, the free seem quiet. Almost...(cricket,cricket)... too quiet.

Would like very much to make contact with the two Lindons and Eriador.

Dennis Barry
Grand Proxy of the North (did I get it right this time?) Kingdom

[MorgulHammer]

Blackwater Guild,

I have not made your acquaintance as of yet. Please feel free to contact me

morgulhammer@yahoo.com

I look forward to hearing from my neutral neighbor...

North Kingdom,

Perhaps you and I can talk of things that may yet come to pass...you are indeed in an interesting position betwixt the free and the dark...perhaps you'll be a smokey grey as this war develops...the fog of war clouds judgements of many...however, the Macabre have a clear understanding of our place in this conflict...the harvesting of souls for torture shall be our endeavor....the souls of those foolish enough to wander too near our decaying lands...souls of those who oppose our dark lord...

We entreat thee to visit with our emissaries and know that we are always just a dark thought away...

Jaz Macabre

[DennisBarry]

We entreat thee to visit with our emissaries and know that we are always just a dark thought away...



I entreat thee to abide by the afore mentioned rules... 'nough said.

[MorgulHammer]

Indeed Northern Kingdom of men,

We are aware of your desires. We have not the desire at present to make war upon your soil. We have looked and found entertainment elsewhere...'nough said, as you said.

Macabre

[wyndhammer]

White Temple,

It appears we are at odds in this game. Hope to not be a bore to you. As my favorite UFC referee says, Are you ready? Are you ready? Let's get it on!!
all the best,
ViceLords

[wyndhammer]

Unto the neutral nations of this MiddleEarth,
If I have been remiss and not sent you a missive as of yet, please allow this one to suffice. I have opened the Halls of Opium to all who would partake of its...contents shall we say. I offer staunch support to any ally and quick rebuttal to any enemy. Let us bring about a time of peace and more importantly pleasure to these besieged folk of MiddleEarth. They tire of words and gestures. A drunk peasant is a happy peasant. Let us make their dreams come true and end these senseless conflicts.
Neutrals unite!! Bring your unequaled power against the "Free" nations! Let them crawl as they would leave you when the tides of war come. The power of the Dark Side is the power of reality. Nothing motivates like the whip of the taskmaster!
Our halls await thee.
Seneschal of the ViceLords

[DennisBarry]

BUMP! DO DA BUMP-DE-BUMP! DO DA BUMP!

Hip hop in da hee-ouse!

Anyway...

[lionatus]

Lionatus of the Silverin bids thee all welcome. Woe betide the Dark as they shall be swamped in the light of Elendil which shall burn brightly yet again. It has been an Age since we last walked the lands of Middle Earth bringing peace to this troubled land. We bring peace for the Dark again, the peace of the grave.

I'm back....

[lionatus]

BTW I can be reached on lionatus@hotmail.com or lionatus@gmail.com

[happymadcat]

Hey Flowerpower,

The Minas Tirith Lords have discovered a super weed killer batch in one of
the Minas Tirith warehouses which the South Kingdom medical Board have
deemed illegal last summer due its dual role WMD possibilty.. Any further
pursuit of super strength weed killers in the Kingdom's markets will be
brought forward to the South Kingdom's security council for punishment.

You have been warned.

South Kingdom

[wyndhammer]

I am looking at yo (beep) Why you lookin' at my (boop)? BEEPBBOOPP
luv the groove thang!!
Vicelords
bringin' the shizzle for rizzle
:D

[happymadcat]

Well that was a conversation killer ViceLords.. :)) We would like to point out
to the Dark Servants and Free People's we will be choosing sides no earlier
then turn 7 and no later then turn 10..

Guy SK

[wyndhammer]

:p I love the discordant ramblings of the HipHop folk nation. How they can say so little in a "cut" and yet make so much money speaks well for the weakening moral fibre of the impressionable minds the ViceLords love to play with.
Drugs, money, guns, and turf. How easy is that? And not a word over one syllable. Gotta love it!
So keep lookin' at my "BOOP" lol
ViceLords
P.S. I did mean to say something productive here...and that is BlackWater Guild we are requesting you contact any member of the DS to begin open honest diplomacy. We look forward to hearing from you.
To the Freeps, let's keep this game exciting shall we? How about we all build up for ten turns and then pick champions from each side via the 210 order and whomever wins gets to pick the next song I will elucidate from?
all the best,
ViceLords
"NOTE: it is not the intention of the ViceLords to demean the vocal expressionist tendencies of the HipHop generation. It is merely fictional license and bears no resemblance to the true sentiments of this nation or any other nation of MiddleEarth or its affiliates. Harlequin and all the rest of em and the players are not responsible in whole or in part to the inane dribble offered up by the Seneschal of the Vice Lords. Copyright "c" in a circle 2006. All rights reserved."

[lionatus]

Hail all ye neutral nations. I shall contact those of you who have deemed us worthy to see your details soon. I am open to all diplomacy even for fun. Meaning if the DS want to get in touch please do, my talons are sharp yet again and the fire's burn brightly. At one time I was horrified to find my spell had backfired and Id turned myself into a dragon. I am used to it now, and well being hugely powerful does have its uses..................

[DennisBarry]

The Nk would like to state how appreciated all the contact from various players has been! It seems like the future will be bright indeed. Thanks to all those nations who have agreed to keep my overly long post in mind during the opening stages of the game.

Once again, feel free to contact me over any issue you need addressed. Preferably game related; but should you require personal advice, or even just a shoulder to cry on... centrovert@gmail.com

Dennis Barry

[lionatus]

Ooops dragon reference was the wrong game. I seem to remember now that I'm menat to be Mr.Cavalry. Wheres that mage we require mounts, and someone to shovel too. Maybe the DS can help?

[happymadcat]

The SK would also like to add if either the DS or FP's attack the South
Kingdom we will join their enemy the turn after any attack. Just to make
things crystal clear, a Freep attack will force us to join the DS, a DS attack
will force us to join the FP.

South Kingdom

[Er Murazor]

Hello from Occitan Kingdom.

We would like our neighbours to have more fluid communitacion. (Of course if they pretend to try diplo).

By the way, If I attack the SK which alliegance will you join Guy?
LOL

er_murazor1650@yahoo.com

[happymadcat]

By the way, If I attack the SK which alliegance will you join Guy?
LOL

er_murazor1650@yahoo.com

Try it..... :D

[Er Murazor]

Don't tempt me ... :p

[happymadcat]

Tempt tempt

[lionatus]

lol, I have to ask. What rules are we following for this game guys?

[lionatus]

Hey Guy. If I attack Ricard after eh attacks you, you gonna go Free?

[happymadcat]

Rules, rules! There are rules? Shock gasp horror Lol

[lionatus]

Yeah. Whats a strategic victory?

[lionatus]

startegic site victory, that is

[lionatus]

Any of you guys use MSN? I'll be on around 7pm GMT. Thats in 2 hours. lionatus@hotmail.com if you wanna chat.

[happymadcat]

Hey Guy. If I attack Ricard after eh attacks you, you gonna go Free?

U bet if Occitan has joined the DS!

[happymadcat]

Any of you guys use MSN? I'll be on around 7pm GMT. Thats in 2 hours. lionatus@hotmail.com if you wanna chat.

Dont use MSN, well I could always download it.. Strategic site victory?
Way too hard for my 1st 4th age.. Nice and simple in the 1st game to
get a good grip of game mechanics

[Tine]

The Minas Tirith Lords have discovered a super weed killer batch in one of
the Minas Tirith warehouses which the South Kingdom medical Board have
deemed illegal last summer due its dual role WMD possibilty.. Any further
pursuit of super strength weed killers in the Kingdom's markets will be
brought forward to the South Kingdom's security council for punishment.

You have been warned.

....How cute. I'm warned. :o But maybe it's already too late??? Or - does that mean you haven't discovered what makes this weed killer really special? You'll find out; just wait a little longer :D .
Tine - now I didn't mention which flowers I'm using

[Er Murazor]

Oh my good !! Tina will we be swallowed by a legion of Furious and cannibal Petunias? Jajajaja.
Well Guy before you change alliegance, you should make yourself clear about which icon represents each alliegance.
Crossed swords are for Neutrals (Don't worry you can't change to Neutral, you already are.).
Small white ball is for Free People (They call themselves the good boys, composed of elves and those gay kind mannered entities)
Little eyes are for Dark Servants (In spanish Ojete (Check the list and go for the right meaning, usually orcs goblins and any kind of pestilent way of living)

Well ... If I attack you, I'd would be nice to see to which alliegance you choose to change, just to see with who do you identify yourself, or we might just create a new icon only for you? better indeed, we could arrange you to became Royal Gardener for Flower Power? LOL

Ricard
Occitan Kindgom (Yeah, the real true Kingdom in the South).

[happymadcat]

Time will tell Occitan... Declare yourself urpsuper to the ancient Southern
Kingdom as much as you like for in the end that will only bring the hardship
and death to your peoples. You are not as safe as you feel in Umbar

SK

[lionatus]

Well thats for sure. No-ones safe anywhere... Wooohahahahaha(maniacal laughter). Let loose the hogs of waaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr!!!

[happymadcat]

Hogs of War? I prefer HC with steel... :)

[lionatus]

Wot no mithril, oh you poor thing. Theres nothing like 6000 Eothraim HC with Mithril and 5 backups training like theres no tomorrow.

[Rollin Roberts]

Flower and South Kingdom.....both of you seem to be a little at odds. Be aware that I will not allow any foreigners in Rohan. Hope you have navies.

To the Free and DS....I've received a few diplos from each and I can see advantages and disadvantages to both sides. Please continue the diplos and understand that I am looking for good gamesmanship, coordination, and a challenge.

Turn 1 awaits.......Imperia

[happymadcat]

Wot no mithril, oh you poor thing. Theres nothing like 6000 Eothraim HC with Mithril and 5 backups training like theres no tomorrow.

Read the rulebook yet? :p Eoth HC? Are you refering to their descendents
the Imperia HC?

[lionatus]

No we ARE the Eothraim. Having been whisked away in a Maelstrom of evil to battles untold in realms far far away. An Age has passed and we're back!!

[happymadcat]

No we ARE the Eothraim. Having been whisked away in a Maelstrom of evil to battles untold in realms far far away. An Age has passed and we're back!!

Bless, sure you are. :rolleyes: Shall we get you a new safety blanket? :p

[happymadcat]

Flower and South Kingdom.....both of you seem to be a little at odds. Be aware that I will not allow any foreigners in Rohan. Hope you have navies.


Turn 1 awaits.......Imperia

Imperia,

Could you be more specific on the region of Rohan as Rohan and Gondors
are so close together?

Email me happymadcat@yahoo.co.uk

SK

[Er Murazor]

Time will tell Occitan... Declare yourself urpsuper to the ancient Southern
Kingdom as much as you like for in the end that will only bring the hardship
and death to your peoples. You are not as safe as you feel in Umbar

SK

I'm more safe than you are, by land you have to pass accross several nations and by sea you can only land in one hexe which I have absolutelly controlled, on the other hand I can land in many more places such as Pelargir, Osgiliath, Dol Amroth, I guess your men at Havens must be very very very happy with your current diplomacy, and maybe willing to change their nationality

I'm not the usurper of SK, my Kingdom is much nicer, why would I wanted yours? :P

[lionatus]

The safety blanket unfortuneately was left in the Maelstrom. We're making do with punching the hell out of a straw man resembling Sauron. Now, if we can get the mages to bind whats left of his spirit to it then we might have some real fun...

[Rollin Roberts]

Imperia,

Could you be more specific on the region of Rohan as Rohan and Gondors
are so close together?

Email me happymadcat@yahoo.co.uk

SK

Just use your Rohan boundaries from the set up. obviously though, you can move along your road xx27 row. Please do not encroach north of that row nor east of 1824, 1925 as my population tends to get nervous when outriders pass through and around their farms.

Imperia

[happymadcat]

Just use your Rohan boundaries from the set up. obviously though, you can move along your road xx27 row. Please do not encroach north of that row nor east of 1824, 1925 as my population tends to get nervous when outriders pass through and around their farms.

Imperia

We will respect the Imperia's wishes. And the Rohan's view of their eastern borders? The SK sees the Gondor border at 2624, 2625 and 2626 and
therefore those hexes lie in Gondor.

SK

[lionatus]

I'll be going through my plans late tonight most probably. All neutrals will be contacted. I could do with artefact numbers guys for a list Im compiling. An exchange of info might be a good idea?

[lionatus]

Stay away from the trees, away I say. They're mine. All mine. Muwhawahahahaaaaaaaaa!

[lionatus]

2 more days to go my friends. Let battle commence. Or whatever you might want to call it. The Smithies are ringing, the mithril gathered. We still need stable hands to muck out. You Evil guys sure you dont wanna give it up and try earning an honest living?

[happymadcat]

When are turns due?

[zanussi]

Thought it was today. Get busy.....

Adam

[lionatus]

Too late. The turns will be being processed now.

[happymadcat]

Ouch!!! :( :o Great start for the SK.

[lionatus]

Shouldn't worry. Just means you have more time to think about what to do. Also you get a peek at what everyone else is up to and them wondering what you're gonna do.

[jmason86]

Hail all,

Blackwater Guild would request all diplomatic messages be sent via jmason86@hotmail.com

Here's to a good game!

-Joel Mason

[happymadcat]

So how did the first turn go guys?

[lionatus]

Terrible. I changed an order forgetting to change another which went with the same plan. So I did none of the 2 things Id planned on doing. No matter I can do that this turn and have been placing things for another complicated set of orders to go through. Nothing on my maps though. Planning a neutral message blitz this weekend though. I have a day off at last.

[MorgulHammer]

Macabre report a fine turn,

named characters w/ some nice bonuses...one order fouled up but it's not a setback at all...just required tweaks w/ future turns...neuts will be mailed...yada yada...and so on ...

it4now,

Jaz Macabre

[Er Murazor]

Quiet here in the South. We are organising a travel northwards to know the South Kingdom before it gets ruins :eek:

Ricard
Occitan Kingdom.

[happymadcat]

Instead of ruins you will find hosts of SK HC armies... Will make quick work
of Occitan LC and HI. Why not it will give the SK armies some practice in
the early part of the game..

[MorgulHammer]

Simmer down now boyos...simmer down...

Isn't it a bit early to be chomping at the bit to get at one another? neutrals are supposed to sit back and build for 10 turns...not march on each other...jeez and you two doing it on the boards rather than in private like so and so did? man this is going to be a crazy game...

Macabre

[Er Murazor]

Instead of ruins you will find hosts of SK HC armies... Will make quick work
of Occitan LC and HI. Why not it will give the SK armies some practice in
the early part of the game..

What does you think I don't have heavy cavalry? Haven't you noticed the market movements? No leather no mounts .... someone is building up a nice stable :rolleyes:

Ricard
Occitan

PS: Usually heavy cavalry has not the hability to swim or fly .. and your fleet is not big enough for my warships :D

[lionatus]

Hehe, no leather and mounts. 'The spell worked lads'....................

[lionatus]

Now all we need are 4 MTs in the East Bight and we're sorted. The Eothraim will ride again, Rhovanion shall be ours....................

[wyndhammer]

ViceLords chiming in!
The first turn was glorious for us! All things we had planned went as we had hoped. There were no surprises and we are beating the slaves in anticipation of the next fortnight's adventures.
To Our Neutral Cousins, we entreat thee to visit us on a regular basis in the Halls of Opium. We serve the finest filet of thigh available and squab is a specialty. No head cheese though so the Orcs will have to make do. We do have standards here.
All shall come to know the implicit lies of the "Free Peoples" of this Middle Earth. Only torment awaits them as they fail time and again to bring any change to the world hierarchy! The rich and strong shall rule the weak, and the weak shall Love it!
Onward then and good luck to all. We are sparing no expense for Our brethren, elf kabobs served by drooling dwarven porters await thee. Bring your appetite and let us whet it!:confused: Did I say whet? hehehe
Seneschal of the ViceLords
"P.S> Quit looking at my (censored)! I know it's there! ":rolleyes:

[lionatus]

A glorious first turn. Thats like saying the WK and Rhudaur managed to split off and get their cavalry to join in the same hex, with the infantry marching out and getting met by Freep armies. Thus the illusion that only one Rhudaur army remains unaccounted for. Cardolan is then in trouble. Now thats glorious, are you sure grandiose posturing isn't one of your SNA's. Talking about kebabs we elves love trees don't you know. Lots of available pointy sticks to skewer an orc on. :cool:

[wyndhammer]

:( Dearest Lionatus,

We regret the verbage of speaking in tongues eludes you. We were commenting on the Fourth Age skirmish. How odd that you recall a time long forgotten when the Elves and Dwarves wanted nothing to do with Middle Earth. They wanted a hobbit to carry the One Ring into Mordor and destroy it. Heavens forbid that an elf risk his immortality for a lesser being. The greedy grasping humans were the saviors of the day, not elves.
So to speak adversely of the ViceLords is absurdity! We know full well your realms and cousins have no honor to protect. Orcs on spears indeed. One would think the delusions you suffer from are not induced by the hobbit's leaf.
Perhaps you fancy yourself a Dark Lord, then? Perhaps we can help you with that grandiose contemplation. Yes, let us help you ascertain your greatness.
Such an easy thing to do...just send your king to an agreed upon hex and we will enlighten him.
Seneschal of the ViceLords

[lionatus]

Yes well the wine is a little stronger nowadays and it is a little hard not to blur the lines when spirit-walking. es I suppose the DS would regard history as odd not keeping records themselves. Not really a surprise though as you lost. Lets hope you make the game a little more interesting this Age. If you didn't like the spears idea you only needed to say. The timber can be used for arrows instead allowing for more skewer for the price of one. As for my king he's in hex 1823 this turn if you want to see him.

[happymadcat]

Geez, 3 pages of posts and we havent even hit turn 2 yet!!!!!!

[lionatus]

Yes we have :p

[lionatus]

On a more serious note the Silverin turn went well. Only a couple of surprises but thats cool. Having so many chars able to scry is excellent. If I've emailed you then thats good, if not then I apologise. All complaints on the forum please...lol.

[DennisBarry]

The NK, and this thread, have been quiet for too long. Feel free to contact me and rekindle the flame of peace and cooperation.

centrovert@gmail.com

[MorgulHammer]

The Macabre open their decayed doors to all who would walk through...blackwater guild and North Kingdom our invitation arrives to your halls as we speak.

Valinor it seems you have gone out of your way to interrupt our voyage...such a pity that so early in our jouney we must begin to assimilate your people to our ways...but you can always avert the destruction of your people by heading to your allies in the northwest...surely they will take you in...

Lorien rangers...perhaps you would do well to turn around as well...the savants will be much more than you can handle...and being so isolated...have you not listened to your scouts? Can you not see the peril you put your nation in when leaving so many men to their slaughter?

Let us see how these days unfold...though I believe I know the end of all things...such is the way of things...

Macabre

[lionatus]

We thrive on destruction. It allows the rebuilding of more sensible accomodation. Take decaying doors for example, so gothic and so 2nd Age. Perhaps the Elven style team can get an invite to show you the error of your ways, ALL of them. Pointy sticks on horseback also available for worldwide whirlwind blodd and guts tour. :rolleyes:

[DennisBarry]

I know it is not just I who feels this game doth become too quiet!

I beseech of you one and all, players of FA45, to submit your diplomatic concerns to this board so we may all figure out what in the Hell is going on!

[lionatus]

I know whats going on. everyone's keeping secrets. Come see me and mine we have ways of making loose lips sink ships and other small oddities like that. Dennis mate, you've been quiet yourself. At least in the regard that my missives are yet unanswered. Pray tell what slight might I have unwittingly done?

[Er Murazor]

I know whats going on. everyone's keeping secrets. Come see me and mine we have ways of making loose lips sink ships and other small oddities like that. Dennis mate, you've been quiet yourself. At least in the regard that my missives are yet unanswered. Pray tell what slight might I have unwittingly done?

It seems NK is not making very good diplo and making himself several enemies. LOL. and he is also claiming for it!!!! LOLOLOLOL

[lionatus]

Enemies? Who'd that be then? Have I missed something?...........

[Er Murazor]

Not me, but a Nation such NK claiming not to have diplo is quite critical.

[lionatus]

Why who says he's claiming not to have the diplo. Twas only a small reminder that there's one from us in the massed emails in his inbox. Mine is regularly filled with a load of messages and it does take a while to trawl through although it has been over a week now.

[wyndhammer]

Well don't feel overly offended...he's not talking to me either...and I'm nestled closer to him than his own women...

NK we need to talk...

Jaz Macabre

[Rollin Roberts]

I know it is not just I who feels this game doth become too quiet!

I beseech of you one and all, players of FA45, to submit your diplomatic concerns to this board so we may all figure out what in the Hell is going on!

Dennis....I've sent you emails....I guess you meant just the DS and Free.....

Rollin.............Imperia

[Rollin Roberts]

So what is it looking like? SK and Occitan made nice yet? NK made nice with anyone? Flower...are you still playing or did you drop?

Clint put a posting out there asking folks what they thought of the new FA set up so add your comments if you care too. I think the setups a little too tedious, not enough artifacts at game start, and lack luster Mage strength.

Rollin------------Imperia

[Rollin Roberts]

So what is it looking like? SK and Occitan made nice yet? NK made nice with anyone? Flower...are you still playing or did you drop?

Clint put a posting out there asking folks what they thought of the new FA set up so add your comments if you care too. I think the setups a little too tedious, not enough artifacts at game start, and lack luster Mage strength.

Rollin------------Imperia

BUT, I do still like FA more so than 1650.......

[lionatus]

A there we differ then. 1650 is my absolute favourite. So much still to learn and my best 2 FP nations still to perfect, the DS and neuts are too easy in that regard I'll give you that.

As for the mage thing, yes I agree but there's only so much that can be changed in the game without unbalancing it. Artefacts would be nice if only to facilitate more numbers flying around at game start, maybe +10 bonus on all mages if the game allows?

[happymadcat]

All,

Whoever sent Del Imat to 3221 is in for a whole load of trouble.. My mages
will be finding out the background of this character this turn. Velly velly
stoopid!! Unluckily for those responisble I've been on a HC drive since
turn 1..

Guy Roppa

[Urzahil]

So, perhaps someone on the FP side can explain what Horadrim is doing? While I find it ammusing to see his armies running around in circles in the central plains of Mordor, it is a bit perplexing. Then again, maybe that is the idea? Confuse the enemy with random army movements? If so, then he's been successful, though to what purpose I can't imagine. ;)

Mike Mulka
urzahil@darkfortress.us
Obsidian Order

[Er Murazor]

Hello

It seems diplo is quite quiet this turn ....

SK Never mind about Del Imat just cheking Morannon.

Ricard
Occitan Kingdom

[happymadcat]

Hello

It seems diplo is quite quiet this turn ....

SK Never mind about Del Imat just cheking Morannon.

Ricard
Occitan Kingdom

For what purpose? :(

[Er Murazor]

Well we want to see climate, state of the fortifications (I personally believe they need some kind of repaitings) you know, style, indeed we will try co copy the structure of Morannon walls in Havens of Umbar, which indeed are closer to us.

[happymadcat]

All you had to do was ask and I would have told you they are in a better
state then the Occitan mud walls..

[Er Murazor]

Te funniest thing in this game is that both Kingdoms live in a permanent status of self complacence, do you reallly believe that your walls will protect you from the others? Look at the Roman Empire, the biggest, the weakest. Regarding the walls, I will then see how strong are the ones in Havens of Umbar, so I can compare with mine.

Ricard
Occitan Kingdom

[happymadcat]

Lol, but now if you knew aaaaaanyyything about history you would know
the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire) survived into the 14th century.
1400 years Ricard. No the SK depends on its HC and navy not on walls. if
I had the time I would knock them all down to recruit yet more HC!
Last SK scry of the Occitan Dukedom maintains the SK superiority.

[Er Murazor]

LOL maybe because my navies are on the way to you? Anyway I don't believe that you have been scrying me having so many nations closer than me. That would be, let's say "non sense"?
Well, you are welcome to take down all your capital fortifications, we will see how long do you last. SK = Big Mouth NK = Dead Mouth jajaja One Kingdom is characterised to speak too much, the other one is characterised to say nothing at all, but both have a common factor, which is they do anything at all. The "lesser" nations might find funny to call upon a Crusade against them LOL.

[happymadcat]

Yes, yes ofcourse Occitan navies are on their way to SK.. Are they going
via Forlindon? Lol With 21 characters its easy to be able to scry a few
nations at once and with your big mouth you have reached the top of the
list. :rolleyes:

Since when has ME and the actions of players made any sense? :eek:

[lionatus]

Tomorrow my brothers, our riders return and the scribes will report upon their compilation of intelligence. I wonder whats been happening.....................

On another note, Dennis you still with us? HAven't heard from the NK in a long time.........................

[Er Murazor]

So what is up? SK as always nothing nothing nothing, Nk must be crying somewhere about his isolation. It seems latelly diplo has been slow down a bit? eh Lionatus?

Ricard
Occitan Kingdom

[happymadcat]

SK is always nothing? ROFL, tops of VC's and growing faster every turn!
Ever thought of becoming a Comedian?

[Er Murazor]

Greetings from Occitan Kingdom.

After being ignored our three last diplo sent to FP (Horadrim and White Temple) we have decided to catch their attention using other ways. Hope now we get the attention we believe we deserve. GO will just be destroyed, should this be a warning for the other FP nations. What you have not been able to solve in paper and in diplo channles will be solved in Ground.

Ricard
Occitan Kingdom.-

[wyndhammer]

:eek: The Free Peoples have decided they are strong enough without the aid of the powerful southern neutrals? If a neutral nation sends us a missive, I will waste no time in liberally spanking the ignorant monkey who did not notifiy me immediately! :mad: Very mad to miss the chance to expand the turf of the Servants when oppurtunity knocks((I know my spellin is hurtin, why you hatin? Tryin' to catch me camel riding dirty?))
To any and all Nations who remain uncommitted in this war, We the ViceLords entreat thee to come to the Halls of Opium! Let us visit and discuss the intricate delvings of the Dwarves in Mordor, now that they are busy moving out we can appreciate the craftsmanship of their smiths without having to listen to them relate every single damnable hammer blow like it was Monday Night Football{{{You talk about a guy who loves his rocks....that fella is ready to take off his apron and head home to his bearded wife and take the tongue lashing of a lifetime...we think he spent too much time at the forge stroking his...fires...}}}
We have seen the blades of the White Templars. We have seen the cavalry of the Lorien Rangers. We have seen Pollux Troy impaled on the spear of Sauron's faithful! We have no further use for the Free Peoples. They are to be subjugated and their lands remade in the images WE call home.
All neutral nations may reach us at wyndhammer@yahoo.com
We shall not send thy bards home with no new tales to tell. We will find a way to express our deepest desire to bring each and every neutral into our allegiance. The power of the neutral cannot be denied.
Ricard, if I can be of any assistance in laying waste to the Great Ones nation, please offer me the chance to prove the DS are capable allies and friends.
We stand ready Brothers of the Occitan Kingdom! Let us bring the revealing Eye towards the hills of Harondor.
All the best,
Seneschal of the ViceLords

[HolyAvenger]

Greetings all Nations of Middle Earth!

We wish to open all diplomatic relations with all nations of Middle Earth.. All diplomats must get written permission from this office misonor@yahoo.com prior to entering my borders! I am the new ruler of North Kingdom I am sorry to say the old ruler was beheaded for the lose of the hornburg!
To the side that now holds hornburg I suggest immediate relenquishment of my domain back or face the rathe of all my nation.

[wyndhammer]

Many greetings to the Realms of MiddleEarth!!

Comes now the Seneschal of the ViceLords, fresh from the Halls of Opium with news of this War for the Fourth Age!
My traveling bards tell me of battles being fought across the length and breadth of the world this past fortnight. We have seen battle with Lord Faeton of the White Templars in our realm and look to remove his presence entirely by the end of the month. With no armies in backup of his efforts, it would appear that 3800 HI and lackeys will produce few results other than to balance the coffers of the Lords of Vice soon. Perhaps we can be left alone now to smoke in peace.
In further news, there is war afoot in the fabled lands of the unwashed Dunlendings and their ilk as the Barbarian Horders battle with the Free and the Macabre arrive at the town/tower of Coffeyville unopposed by the guilt ridden nations claiming Freedom as their banner. Further battles upcoming with the Silverin Cabal (ya just gotta love a Freep with a Cabal, no?) and the Valinor too.
At the time of this writing, we know the White Temple has troops marching into the lands of the Obsidian Order in Mordor while the Wraith Riders look to damage the Horadrim dwarves in the near vicinity. Other battles to follow in perhaps Rhun area and the Harondor grounds.

And so, dear friends, we see the meddlesome Free Peoples continue to bray their insecurities to the populace who really want nothing more than to be drunk and full of semi-cooked food. The considerate realms of the Servants will strive for excellence and bring true untainted freedom to all who will listen and grasp the truth. No one is free, just perhaps not responsible or intelligent enough to know the difference.
Until the next brief sojourn into journalism, we ask for peace in our days and pleasure slaves by night. OooHH when Sauron comes marching home again HOoRah Hoorah!! When Sauron comes marching home again HOORAH HOORAh!! The elves will be leaving one by one, the dwarves will drown in ale up to my thumbs, and we will all be saved when Sauron comes marching Home !!
Huzzah! (take that E3)
Seneschal of the ViceLords game 45 DS
Lord Minister of Propaganda and War Songs
:p

[HolyAvenger]

Guess the FP are not interested in new relations with the NK.. The silence here is deafening.. I understand through diplo's that previous Ruler had close ties to the DS..
I hello is in order here to Ernie and his mighty nation.. This is Terry just so you know who it is.. I'm not sure if you remember me in good light from previous games but I can only hope my true mettle is shown in victory or defeat. Btw the way I took on this name in memory of my old friend Bob Gaulke who we played together with many years ago now. He died last summer.

Venger

[happymadcat]

The SK is now at war.. Men tire of love, singing and dancing before they
tire of war.....

[wyndhammer]

As I sit upon my throne of bone I wonder what has become of this land...

The Northern Kingdom of men have usurped by the Misonor and new leadership cometh. It is good to see my emissaries are being treated well...as theirs have with my kingdom.

The Blackwater Guild, once neutral, has moved against the dark allies in the northern wastes while southern mirkwood has been visited by the Southern Kingdom of men...

The Silveran Cabal, Lorien Rangers, and Valinor will soon be meeting my brood legions on the open field with our barbarian allies...a conflict of proportions the bards will forever write songs about in the years to come...

As I sit up upon my throne of bone I wonder what will become our future....the decay of the land, the smell of rotting flesh, the shadow that will grow as these elves and men are laid to rest and my influence grows...

The lonely, mournful howl of the flutes in my halls gives me pause to meditate my war plans...how best to use my mages, emissaries, agents, and armies to propogate the proper destruction of my enemies...

Softly, a smile comes to my lips; of course.....the enemy of my enemy...

A warning to you nations of Middle Earth, an attack on the Macabre will be met with swift and deadly force...the sky is darkening, the land is decaying; kiss your loved ones one last time...Aazmodius is coming...and your doom comes with me....

scribed by
Oblivion of the Macabre

[happymadcat]

Got to admit I'm trembling and browned my breeches after that speech! :eek:
Thanks for the news of the Blackwater attacking another DS, there's me
thinking I was the only one attacking the DS.. :D :D

[wyndhammer]

My goodness gracious!! Four neutrals attacking aligned nations in three turns... how long will the remaining three neutrals remain uncommitted in this war of surprises one wonders. The opium from my lands must have dispersed to the four corners of the world for so much chaos to spring into being!
Just think of it...breathing room air has the potential to get ya on a 'higher' plane...mercy! Anyhow, One wonders what new missives will fly through cyberspace what with all the neutrals fighting wars and free/ds alike feel the great plunge coming on.
The ViceLords stand ready to open the doors of the Hall of Opium to entertain talkers for the FlowerPower and Imperia and of course the North Kingdom. I am hoping the remaining neutrals still have a chance of being influenced by the side that is destined to win this war. We await an email from each of ya.
Our thanks and keep it comin...this is good junk ya just can't hallucinate up all by yourself...
Seneschal of the ViceLords:o

[happymadcat]

Btw the way I took on this name in memory of my old friend Bob Gaulke who we played together with many years ago now. He died last summer.

Venger

A candle was just lit in Bob's memory.

[HolyAvenger]

Yeah part he would be laughing about was I started a Game as Vengers and got eliminated before turn 8 .. He would tell me if you dedicate a game your suppose to finish first not the first eliminated!

Venger

[lionatus]

Welcome to the new NK player from his closest neigh bour the Cabal of Silverin... Have sent u an email Venger.....

[Rollin Roberts]

Darkness no longer clouds mine eyes.....Mine eyes are Free, and by the sword shall I endeavor to spread freedom.

The Imperials

[HolyAvenger]

I have to admit.. I don't expect to last long no matter which way I go. But I know the rivers will run red from the blood being spilled before I go.

Venger

[lionatus]

Again another FA game takes a turn for the surreal.... My scrys cant be right can they guys...

Silverin is confused and contemplating offing a few mages of inempt ability... The neuts at it again methinks.....

NK you're new but I'll send an email to get you up to speed.

[lionatus]

Hurrah, succesfully manged to find another arty. Ricard you' want this one, mind you so will everyone else without the Kidnap/assass bonus.. Sorry mate told you I'd let you know when I had something of import to tell...

[happymadcat]

The Freeps need all the help they can get; one thing is for sure in this game;
FP's won't be winning it.... Betrayal won't be forgotton by the men of SK.

Now to conclude peace with their enemies......

[lionatus]

So how are things in the South Guy. I wasnt aware we were attacking you... maybe I should check more of whats happening in the South....

[happymadcat]

The Freeps have betrayed the South Kingdom. The start of another vendetta,
not all the FP's just you and Ernie. I will be looking for you guys in other
games....

[happymadcat]

DS,

Don't suppose you guys want to call a truce so I can take revenge on the
devious backstabbing Freeps? After all I've done for the dirty stinkin good
for nothing cept self gratification Freeps.

SK

[lionatus]

Strange Guy, I had no idea I'd done anything of the kind. Certainly there have been emails flying around and certain proposals I have agreed with. As far as I am aware there has been no move against you or the NK, although he seems to have made his won mind up... As always my intial standing is as it was. I won't attack a neutral or interfere unless they are attacking us... Seems All of you, but possibly one, are now in that category from what you've written. everything else is hearsay, happenstance and conjecture just as it should be.... probably the reason why Ricard jumped, before he was pushed. Certainly from the emails and maps I've seen we did nothing to instigate any of this.

[happymadcat]

Now Alan, doesn't concluding a pact with the DS in Mordor allowing the Mordor
DS free reign to attack the SK amount to a betrayal of the SK??? Even
more so when the fact was kept from the SK?? With allies like you guys
who needs enemies..

Don't give me the cowardly b****it about not attacking the SK, only a
fool would believe that. The Freep actions not only have been cowardly
but condemms the SK to a bitter fight in Mordor.

Will be looking for you guys in future games

[lionatus]

Possibly depending on how you look at it. Believe it or not a couple of FP nations need help and the DS are the only ones able to give it at the current time. This is in essence why such a pact exists. Really if it thus extends to the North as well then expect me to utilise the same to ensure my nations survival. I was and still am under no obligation to tell you anything about movements of others in this or any game unless you are allied to me, thus having changed icons. Sorry but I am in no position to protect you, nor are the Freep nations down where you are in Mordor. Certainly if you can get the DS to back off then do so by all means. Additionally the existence of neutral armies marching towards Silverin itself indicates to me that my silence is more than justified. A new NK player, on his 2nd turn sounds like a ringer, and FlowerPower in the area stinks of pre-planning. If this is so then perhaps the supposed backstab will have to be re-evaluated as I gave the FP team my word not to hinder FlowerPower as she was honourable in her word and would only target the NK. As for the email you just sent, taking a 'game' personally aren't we. Not the 1st time I've heard you talk/type in such a way. That grudge list must be getting mighty long. Well bring it on, I have lost many games and won many too, it is a war game after all....

[happymadcat]

Protect me Alan? You can be such a santimonous twit sometimes.. Long grudge
list, is 3 a long list?? It was 1 but its trebled in one day.. Love it. I was
getting bored having to listen to your recruit recruit recruit motto. Very easy
to beat..

Next game I'll make sure I'm next to you.. :D

[lionatus]

Ok protect ight be too strong. Support would have been my choice if I wasn't typing without thinking. So we being honest then? Is there a neutral alliance? if so when was it formed?

[lionatus]

The Freeps have betrayed the South Kingdom. The start of another vendetta,
not all the FP's just you and Ernie. I will be looking for you guys in other
games....


Guy, Silverin has been nothingbut honourable. In this game nothing as it seems and more than one of us has had more than a hrad time coming to terms with it. What has happened and what will happen is more to do with Occitan and Tuatha. If there are neuts attacking the DS then they can be added to that list of 2. If you had asked you had my support even if there was such a thing as a DS/FP alliance against the neuts. As for you my friend sometimes friendlies are caught in the crossfire. Declare DS or FP and you wil be spared, assuming you hgave naught to do with the neutral pact. I have 2 neut icons on my map at a time another staunch and trusted ally is in the area, coincidence? Id love it to be FP and maybe our friendship can be saved. If not at least we will have the future pleasure of being enemies...

[happymadcat]

Ok protect ight be too strong. Support would have been my choice if I wasn't typing without thinking. So we being honest then? Is there a neutral alliance? if so when was it formed?

A neutral allaince only exists in your paranoia Alan... Even though the
Freeps have tried very hard to create a neutral allaince there isnt one. But
it doesnt take a diplomatic genius to work out why you Freeps are so
fixiated on a neutral allaince... You guys were getting your butt kicked
by the DS and their allies so invented a neutral allaince to attempt to
save your own skins. SK and Blackwater have done more for the Freeps
cause then the Freeps have done for their own cause..

Elrond, Argeleb, Bain, Tarondor will be ashamed of the betrayal and the
actions of the holders of the white path. You guys are unfit to be the
guardians of the Free.

[happymadcat]

Guy, Silverin has been nothingbut honourable. In this game nothing as it seems and more than one of us has had more than a hrad time coming to terms with it. What has happened and what will happen is more to do with Occitan and Tuatha. If there are neuts attacking the DS then they can be added to that list of 2. If you had asked you had my support even if there was such a thing as a DS/FP alliance against the neuts. As for you my friend sometimes friendlies are caught in the crossfire. Declare DS or FP and you wil be spared, assuming you hgave naught to do with the neutral pact. I have 2 neut icons on my map at a time another staunch and trusted ally is in the area, coincidence? Id love it to be FP and maybe our friendship can be saved. If not at least we will have the future pleasure of being enemies...

I will be spared? Lol, you're funny.... Instead why dont you the Freeps
lay down their weapons and hand over their PC's to the SK?? The DS
believe they can push back the SK while even now more HC rides for
another DS capital. You beleive you're untouchable; strange from my
2 scrys this turn you look anything but. A hint, to use blocking fortifications
in key hexes you need to protect them with armies. Looks like you could
be out in a couple of turns. And you lay terms to me?? ROFL

[lionatus]

No one is untouchable. You are deluded at best if you can even think that anyone would believe that in a game such as ME. At least my decisions were based solely upon whats been happening and duplicitous behaviour of others. I remember well the last time differing alliances joined forces against neutrals because of their actions... Whilst DS and FP armies marched upon one another neutrals targetted vulnerable nations. i.e those who had sent their masses off to war with their enemies. The treachery was soon to be revealed in that one. As for your statement that a neutral alliance only exists in my paranoia, then believe what you will. I never truly believed such an existence merely neutrals co-ordinbating attacks seprately against certain nations. Almost the same thing but not quite and I assure you there are lots of others in the game that felt the same way. I believe the strategy is divide and conquer. Then again I might be wrong and look forward to your corecting me yet again. Coincidental you'd be scrying me this turn as well isn't it considering how inept I've been playing and how so vulnerable I am. Im hoping you didnt miss the 2 navies almost home as well as you'll be missing quite a few troops.

[lionatus]

Lastly I am so glad I manage to entertain. I keep trying to keep this polite and out of the public domain but you insist on only posting to the forum..........

[MorgulHammer]

"Yes, Lord Aazmodius, the Guild to our east has attacked the Exodus of Light...our ally to the south is no more, the Savants have been vanquished by free peoples."

"It is grave news indeed. Our other neighbors present an intriguing set of possibilities...send emissaries to the Northern Kingdom of men and the Barbarians of the north. We have much to discuss."

"Lord, other news reaches our ears of troop movements to our west...we should be wary."

"Indeed we will; we have troops as well and swift will be our response if encroached upon."

Aazmodius pondered the recent scries of his mages and the reports of his agents. This much activity would certainly keep him in council long into the night. He reached back and stroked the hair of his most recent decapitation...perhaps he should send this back to the family...perhaps not.

-----

An interesting game as always in 4th age with talk of truces and alliances and subterfuge...I care not who or when or why...it is not for us but to do and die...

4th age is not a pre-aligned - type game akin to 1650...that was clear from its inception. Neutrals can and often do align to form their own team...freeps and ds nations can do (though not as often) form truces or pacts that benefit them as well...

so all the talk about whom did what w/ whomever else is immaterial...whatever happens I don't hold a grudge and don't expect others too...but if you do...that's fine too...

If someone were lied to about the situation in a game would it be the first time this happened? Would it be the first time someone reacted to what they were told only to find out it wasn't that way to start? Happens I would think...

If someone were caught lieing in a game and then lied to protect themselves or act like it was someone else would that be the first time? Again I think it happens...

I'm not saying any of this went on but I am saying it happens...and so what if it did? IT'S A GAME...play it and understand that is part of it (though not w/ me and I don't much tolerate it in my real life endeavors) or do something else...

[HolyAvenger]

I find it most interesting after your strong armed email threats to my kingdom you find it surprising I marched towards your nation.. Did you believe you could really intimidiate me! I almost fell off my chair with laughter from your statement you could take me out alone.
So you complain about my intent even Last turn I could see your fellow men in tight army already marching towards my capitol.. So bring your Steel your complete gamer bull and all your allies becuase you are already removed from your capitol and you simply cannot stop me!
A word of advice since you must be to new to this version to know better. Never threaten a kingdom when you border that kingdom.. You want them on your team not pissed at you.

Venger

[lionatus]

Venger, who was that last ot? My armies last turn were sitting on my capital and have begun marching back to their pickup points this last turn. Still within the elven woodlands... as for the email it was only fact based upon scrys. Yes always watch sleeping giants who lie next door. And so I was until this last turn believeing we had some middle-ground at least. Still it is a wargame so lets play...

[happymadcat]

Its been the Freeps diplomatic overtures that have sucked in this game.
Sending emails to the neutrals I've talked to declaring join us or die will
only lead to one thing. War! Even the nations who have attacked the DS
in co-ordination with the Freeps have suffered this slight. But then you
add a secret agreement by the DS and Freeps of a truce to concentrate
on the neutrals. For example my nation I have 3 DS armies marching into
W Mordor, all able to do so because of the truce. After the SK had
decimated the Mirkwood DS and was about to declare for the Freeps this
turn it can only be seen as a betrayal of the Freep allies who did so
much for the Freep cause. What makes it worse no warning was given
to their so called allies only the threats of join us or die.

Now Alan goes on about its not a betrayal, I had nothing to do with it,
why were you scrying my nation blah blah hickey dock tock.
On turn 9 with DS armies moving against the SK it was OBVIOUS the
Freep have taken the cowards way out and made a truce and betrayed
their allies. I was'nt 100% but to take make sure I scried and prepared
a plan for those responsible for the betrayal.

Alan as self confessed Captain of the Free and Ernie who pushed for
the truce; this I say to you; your nations will not survive the SK.

[lionatus]

Captain, me no.. Theres a laugh. Co-ordinating mages or at least I was, the few that we have. And yes you are right it has nothing to do with me nor the NW. We weren't the ones under attack although we were included in the discussions asked for our opinion which we gave. As for turn 9 DS moves, who cares I certainly don't at least not now. We were a lot busier trying to sort out the mess down South with Tuatha and Occitan and retasking resources there. We didnt know however, the DS weren't likely to tell us and for whatever reason you and I hadn't emailed in a while. If I was captain of this team then a poor one am I, considering I didn't know you'd declared FP, didn't know you were being attacked and certainly didn't know the DS had slipped through Mordor to your territory. Nope just checked only activity I can see on the maps that fdar South DS wise is an attack of Realm Of Darkness against Lorien Rangers. I might have a few mages Guy but Im not clairvoyant. You're right its not a betrayal though. You guys are neutral and can attack whom you wish, its my fault as I have the curse of assumption. So I fight and I die. If I survive then I fight and die again. Replying is not neccesary however as this thread will not see another message of mine. I'll play this game and contact those who I wish to contact through email alone.......

[happymadcat]

So another lie Alan? You mentioned in an email you were the Freeps captain..
And no, I hadnt declared FP but was about too. Ofcourse there is no chance
of that happening now.

And yes, the Freeps are guilty of a betrayal to SK. End of.

[HolyAvenger]

Alan

You actually played with me long long ago.. With Michael Welch.. back when team games was called friends games with 3 x 5 card diplos.. I have been off the Me radar for along time since my return I have almost exclusively been honing my skills in 4th ages where the full potential of the game can happen.
So my old friend brace yourself becuase my attack is going to hurt. I recommend you get a backup lined up now.

Terry

[Urzahil]

This is just a GAME. Even if this alleged "betrayal" happened, such things happen in a game. In fact, the SK himself told the DS on turn 1;

"After finally giving this game a good couple of hours thought I've come to the conlusion I will join the DS on turn 7 if you guys have respected SK's wishes. I will in the next 6 turns prepare to attack the Horadrim and White Temple."

We respected the SK's wishes (which consisted of not camping in a rather LARGE area around the SK, and attacking the Horadrim). The SK then launched an unprovoked attack on a DS nation.

This type of behavior might be seen by most as a "betrayal", though the SK probably thought it simply prudent under the circumstances. And if a later SK promise to the FP that he would join them at some later point wasn't received with a lot of confidence, perhaps his earlier diplomatic reversal might have had a small part to play in any lack of confidence in the SK's sincerety.

In any event, it is turn 10, and there are several neutral nations attacking both the FP and DS, yet NONE of them have changed allegiance. In fact, at the time that the FP & DS had concluded that there must be a neutral alliance, all but one of those neutrals refused to even commit to join either side. (The "one" being the SK, who had in fact committed to join BOTH sides, at one time or another.) Regardless of whether or not a neutral alliance actually exists, these factors in and of themselves are highly suspicious, and good cause to believe in the existance of such an alliance.

So, the FP and DS had good reason to believe there was a neutral alliance, and took what we believed were prudent actions based on that belief. If we were wrong, then the neutrals can prove us all fools and rectify the situation by declaring for whichever allegiance they had intended on joining. If we were right, then everyone concerned should just accept that the jig is up, admit that the deception didn't work, and get on with the game.

And if we were right and the neutral alliance wants to use the FP/DS agreement as an 'excuse' to stay neutral, then that's fine too. But I personally think it would be nice if everyone could avoid terms like "betrayal" and "backstabbing". As far as I can see, there was no malice on anyone's part.

No hard feelings. Let's just have some fun.

Mike Mulka
45-Obsidian Order

[happymadcat]

Mike,

Nothing like a good ol rant! Ofcourse its a game but the playacting is what
I find interesting after 14 years of ME. Now let's examine SK's 'betrayal'
of the DS. Yes, on turn 1 joining you guys looked the best option and
a quick decision was made. BUT after having to brew a cup of coffee
and forced to read a long essay every time I recieved one of your emails
was very off putting. Did I really want to spend rest of the game reading
obnoxious neverending emails??? Not only that but a 2 page list of rules
for joining the DS showed me how much FUN you guys would be.

In fact on turn 7 I imformed your team honestly about my apprehensions
and reasons for not joining the team and went as far to say the FP's
were ahead in winning the SK friendship.. A couple of your players
attempted positive diplomacy after that but the signs were given to
the DS of a possible impeding DS attack. You guys lost the SK friendship
through personal contact which is as important as game actions.

Sometimes in life and ME people's paranoia creates exactly what they
are most fearful off. There are countless examples but I wouldnt want to
bore everyone with a long post. Do you guys really think a neutral would
join a team who threatens it so?????? No self respecting player would.
At this moment there is no neutral team but you guys are intent on
creating one.

Guy Roppa

[Rollin Roberts]

Some two to three days before the Rangers and Valinor decided to attack me, I had posted a declaration. I had thought that the coordination I had with the Free would have been enough, but I posted to the forum as well following my attack on the RoD.

I see now an alliance between the Free and DS. I didn't want to join the DS because of their refusal to offer the one thing I wanted...information...And whats funny about that is the DS would say, "Just let us know what it will take for you to join us." and I would reply..."INFORMATION." Then they would say ask again, "Just let us know...blah blah blah." and I say "INFORMATION."...Then they would ask...well you get the picture.

The Free, or rather the Rangers did offer information and I thought we had a pretty good deal going.

But I was wrong....so, I will fight against all enemies where I find them.

I offer a challenge to the Rangers. Fight me one on one....or is your alliance running your nation??!!

Imperia

[Socrates]

So now the dilemna has reached Tuatha DeDanu finally.
After attacking the freeps at the DS request I am in a quandary once more.
I can honor a decision made by the recruiting DS team without my knowledge nor consent and stop the actions they had asked (And paid) me to do and leave WT in peace, or I can somehow alienate both alliances and continue to do the DS work for them by attacking a freep nation.
Strange days indeed when my choices are join the DS and leave the freeps in peace, or continue to attack a FP nation and be at odds with the team that asked me to do so.
Somehow this does not make a lick of sense to me either as an independant nor as a DS.
Just so I get the situation clear...
I can have peace with the FP nation I attacked if I turn DS now and STOP attacking the sworn enemies of DS?
And if I do cease and desist from attacking the White Temple does this mean Ernie would return the favor? Or will I then be facing his armies and South Kingdom armies also?
So I have 2-4 choices ahead of me none of which seem based in reason. I can
1: Join the freeps whom I have been attacking and hope they forgive my attack.
2: Join the DS, a team which it seems have been working with my enemy for the last few turns while I have been sharing my plans with them and they for all I know have fwd those plans directly to the enemy
3: Listen to the pleas of mankind and rally behind them, thereby sealing that I will have enemies on all sides.
4: Give this game up as rubbish and spend my money in more productive ways.
None of these sound attractive in the least bit.
So it seems the message is clear from the DS. Despite the fact you have been cooperating with us and sharing information you need to join us now and divulge all my intell or die.
The message from the freeps is this (correct me if I am wrong). Despite the scarce diplos sent to your nation from our team, and you having been paid by DS we suspect the reason you accepted DS resources and attacked us was not to serve the DS but rather to serve some dark clandestine plan by neuts. You can save yourself now by joining us and divulging all your intell or by joining sworn enemies of the freeps and go DS and somehow hope the freeps include my nation in the truce. :confused:
And yet some parties still believe this is not a join us or die ultimatum?
Like others have said this is only a game. So if in real life one would find 'Your either with us or against us' offensive how should I take it in game? Do you really think I would betray my ethics in a game if I won't do so in real life when the stakes are much higher?
I have seen what happens when knee jerk reactions cause teams to attack independant neutrals. Those neuts tend to respond as anyone would to a threat, then fall one by one because they had little or no time to form a team. The remaining players are left to pick out some excuse of a victory out of the shambles left. (This would appear to be the DS in this case) And yet the freeps have pioneered this set of events if I am correct...irony at it's best. Perhaps the freeps should have discussed a while longer.
Quite honestly the longer I weigh the situation the more attractive option 4 seems. Nothing personal of course. ;)
Maybe another neutral would be willing to run my nation in lieu of me. Guy, Rollin, any takers?
If someone could please explain to me how the Tuatha DeDanu could possibly benefit from any decision made by all means, I am all ears.
-Tuatha DeDanu

PS: And when all this is over I bet the neutrals will be blamed AGAIN for a muffed 4th Age scenario. I mean asking to remain neutral for the beginning game must be a plot right?

[wyndhammer]

Hey Joe,

I am not going to pretend that this game makes "a lick of sense". It is just war and the confusion that comes with it. I will respond on a few points you have noted though to clarify for you as you requested.

On the issue of the DS requesting you to attack the WT. I am more of the belief that you chose this option as the best one available to you because the Freeps were not talking and you were not willing to be blitzed. We were only too happy to meet your price for the attack against WT though to be honest Ricard has already played that card and was going to attack the GO irregardless of your attack against the WT. Though we had hoped that the two of you would be a match for WT and GO while we focused efforts against the Horadrim in Mordor. And yes, I fully intended to send troops to your caused against the WT, alas the WT beat me to the march with 3800 HI in my yard faster than I could march to his. So my troops became tied up in self defense. So to say the DS requested this attack of you and you were merely being obliging is a touch misleading. You were paid for and we did not force any talk of allegiance on you any more than was obligatory. The fact that you and Ricard both refused to comment on which side you would join despite the attack on the Free made some folks nervous...a knee jerk reaction I believe you called it.
On the issue of the "truce" with the Freep and your choices...IF you did change your icon yes the battling with WT would cease and yes WT would not continue to fight you either. That would of course require a change of allegiance now rather than waiting til the Freep retaliation becomes too much and then one changes out of preservation.
On the issue of sharing your intel with the Freeps, none of that to my knowledge has been done. Whatever missives you have sent were not detailed to where they would be of benefit to share with the Free. Do not take offense to this, it is merely a statement.
If you choose not to join the DS, who had paid for your attack against the WT, then we the DS are left to wonder what you intended to do afterwards? Were you going to go DS or remain neutral as part of something else? We had no indication from any neutral other than Guy that a DS ally was waiting to blossom. So we made a choice. Perhaps we were wrong. Who the hell knows.
If you choose to drop, I can only say that I hope this does not taint your perceptions of me or my teammates in this game. I would hope you are mature and can see that this is a game to be played for fun and it in no way speaks to the character of a real person who pays to play and have a good time with it. If one chooses to assign their personal attributes to an "in game persona", the good lord help the guys who cry for blood of elves and dwarves. In fact, the good Lord help the folks who aspire to be dwarves!!

All the best Joe: I look forward to crossing swords with you in the future, or even better to walk the same mile as allies against impeccable foes.
jerry

[Rollin Roberts]

Oh pish posh....the Free and DS are aligned. And SO WHAT if all the Neutral nations split this turn or next. Then the DS and Free attack each other and the game is afoot.

So what if the DS and Free destroy the Neutrals....it will still be a DS vs. Free game.

The end result will be the Free fighting the DS....there is NO benefit of destroying the neutral nations other than to give the most endangered side time to regroup. Because who says that all the resources of the Free will be used against the neutral nations and that they won't sit back with all or part of their forces/characters and build. Who is to say the DS won't do the same thing?

Because of this alliance...I'm not sure what the heck to do. If I join the Free, then it will look like I caved in to their attacks. If I join the DS, then I join the team who had no desire or intention to recruit me. If I stay neutral, I will be defeated. Guess I could drop like Joe wrote above and try again in another FA game.....I just don't like doing that.

Imperia

[Rollin Roberts]

Vicelords (Jerry).....let's hope you don't have Middle Earth mirror YOUR real life, what with all the "Halls of Opium" "Dens of whores":eek: etc......I'm praying for ya Bro..LOL.

Better change your posts if want Little J to play:) .............Rollin

[Socrates]

Jerry thanks for your words and I hold no personal exceptions toward you. I enjoy our banter, and enjoy playing with Mike greatly. I had hoped to be an ally in this game, but hey I can enjoy defeating you like in game 40 just as much. lol ;)
As for the game, it sounds like some DS alarms were raised, and when the freeps realizing their desperate situation, approached you about a truce you took them up on it.
This will allow the freeps time to regroup and fight you when they are not looking at being eliminated. Kudos to the freeps for such survival instincts.
But now you ask me to honor a truce that did not include me nor was I advised of. I mean it is my nation and no one else that will have to face a strong White Temple just over the bridge later rather than kill him now.
Why would the DS wish me to honor a truce that spares freeps & I had nothing to do with in order to save the enemy for another day?
If I changed icons today it seems fit I can continue to eliminate my/our enemy without fear of retribution from an 'ally'.
I really don't feel like just rolling over and stopping my plans to kill White Temple just because of paranoid deals made by others and freep survival cries.
And the excuse that neutrals wished to remain neutral does not wash either. What is so unreasonable about a neutral wishing to remain so for the alloted time he is allowed by rules?
Reasons and excuses aside.
You are asking me at gunpoint to stop attacking a shared enemy, your closest enemy, be mature and just deal with it.
Well I am asking you to take my rebounding 'Are you outta your mind?' Be mature and deal with it. I know I can be difficult to the extreme, but if I am to join any team it will be out of mutual respect and cooperation. I received the best diplos from the DS, so I leaned that way. When I acted out of prudent opportunity, and your team knew well in advance it was seen as a plot with Occitan and other far away neuts. Surely one can understand my dislike for the current situation.
And to say, that if Joe does not like being force fed pablum then it just goes to prove he was guilty all along, really makes little sense either. (Maybe that is why the impotent UN still thinks nations cares for what they want. They do nothing to protect a nation, then ask them to welcome their interferance when that nation moves to protect itself) So I think I will take my full option and not make any sudden changes to my plan. I will capture the WT capital, I will keep my icon the same for as long as I wish, and it will be the actions of your team that will dictate whether it remains that way thru game or changes on turn 12...and by God not one second before then! I think it would be prudent for the DS to allow me this one reprieve and not force my hand any further.
So please be patient, be mature, and if as a result of this I find myself victim to DS actions I will then ask you deal with one more enemy. :mad:
And yes, a neutral alliance was discussed in early game as I am sure it always will be with such numbers. It was decided then to be a long shot and would need all nations commited to work. When the solid and stalwart North Kingdom (note sarcasm) thought it impossible, discussion fell by the wayside. I mean if NK or SK for that matter could have stayed set on ANY decision maybe we would not be here today.

[wyndhammer]

Mighty Joe the Younger!!

Settle down Sunshine! lol

I thank you for the post and explaining your vision of how things have developed. When this tragedy is put to rest, I will tell you the rest of the story. hehehe

If we end up at war with one another, then hopefully the outcome will be better than game 40...what nation are you by the way? The Uruk Hai?

Unto the Imperia,

Little J will along in the next Third Age game I play. Will probably be a Freep position as they are easier to learn game mechanics with. I will be sending in at the end of Game 40 I guess. And, real life vs. in game persona...yeah, the Opium is a little too expensive but the women really take the cake. All that nagging while they fill their saddle bags that pass for hips in Middle Earth is more than any ruler to be can withstand.

Let's get on with the killin' already. I say kill em all and let the UN worry about sanctions.

jerry
:p

[Rollin Roberts]

I offer a challenge to the Rangers. Fight me one on one....or is your alliance running your nation??!!

Imperia

The Rangers have accepted my offer of a one on one fight! Since the Free and DS have each other's emails....as only a good alliance should.....then verify if you wish. I will not make any new offensive actions that I am not already engaged in this turn. I have an army engaged by the Realm of Darkness and will act against that army, but no further army actions against the RoD or any other DS/FP nation.

Imperia

[Er Murazor]

Hello here

I haven't written in the Forum in this post from ages. I believe this game is now under quite a surrealistic scenario totally out of the common sense.
I have a pact with DS to attack FP. So far all has been fulfilled. Now that still neutral I confirm to DS that I will go on with my assault on FP, DS answer that I should stop killing FP they already supported me to attack and assault neutral nations.

That is an orc saying a human that he should stop killing Dwarves and Elves and begin to help them.

I believe that the reputation of serious players such as White Temple or Obsidian Order have heavily misunderstood the aim of the game. I would never believe that things could reach this point, It is the right of the Neutrals to follow the path they decide FP DS or Neutrality.
An alliegance between Elves an Orcs it is against any reason, against any common sense, against the aim of the game and against indeed Tolkien itself.
I'm seriously considering to drop the game, not because I can be kicked out (because no one can even hurt me now), but because I seen the last thing I could see. DS and FP in the same side.

FP and DS should consider to go on with this game, which is a wargame but over all it is Tolkien's world.
I would understand FP and DS fighting Neutrals separatelly, but I don't understand how a DS and a FP in the dame area pact peace to attack a neutral which is far away.

My question is, are you playing Middle Earth? or are you playing another wargame?

Ricard
Occitan Kingdom.-

[jmason86]

The Lord of the Blackwater Guild took a look over the lands and grinned at the Elves fighting alongside Orc. He then saw an "exodus of light" and saw everything had become grey. No more lines to be crossed for right or wrong or this alliance or that. In times like these, one must do what must be done.

Chronicles of the Guild

[zanussi]

FP icons everywhere alas except in the SK?

Adam
DN

[Er Murazor]

Hi there,

Certain, It seems many neutrals have joined FP cause, this is the effect of Ds diplo to sink Nuetrals. Now I see clearly that FP have taken advantage of DS intent to isolate Neutrals. Good point FP, I'm really considering to give full support to FP now. I will wait for all aliegances diplomats to consider the situation and take a decision.

Ricard
Occitan Kingdom.-

[happymadcat]

FP icons everywhere alas except in the SK?

Adam
DN

Yes, there are Freep icons in SK... ;) Isn't 4000hc and 6000hi enough
to take out the SK? I forget, Obsidian lost 3000hi this turn so that narrows
the field down a bit.

Guy Roppa

[happymadcat]

So what neutrals joined the FP cause??

[HolyAvenger]

NK may bear the Icon of the Free but it remains hostile to the FP team.. I remain hostile to any team that accepts into thier Fold someone who joined another teams Usergroups then turns thier backs upon thier team for another simply becuase they have no heart.. I will ensure the FP do not win this game by fighting them.. In doing so I cannot win the game yet i ensure BWG does not either.
I picked up this nation to help the nuetral team have a shot of winning a game.. I hope this clears the way for a DS or Nuetral team victory. To the Nuetrals who remain I apoligize for my anger that brought about this move..
To the Ds i apprecieate your trust in the past few turns allowing me to lay waste the FP's dreams of winning this game.
To FP learn from this. You except traitors unto your team well within the rules you can have rogues bear your flag to destroy your team! This to is well within the rules!

[HolyAvenger]

To SK I hope the FP , DS and Nuetral teams eat your nation.. For I have seen your style that win's 90% of the games and Your nation would never stand a chance aginst mine.. You was foolish to attack any nation before turn 8 as a Kingdom.. Once again another perfect example of a SK in FA shooting himself in the foot!:eek:

[zanussi]

This game has more twists and turns than a soap opera!!

Adam
DN

[happymadcat]

To SK I hope the FP , DS and Nuetral teams eat your nation.. For I have seen your style that win's 90% of the games and Your nation would never stand a chance aginst mine.. You was foolish to attack any nation before turn 8 as a Kingdom.. Once again another perfect example of a SK in FA shooting himself in the foot!:eek:

Terry, you talk more crap then a bitch on heat.. 'I joined the FP's to fight
the FP team?' Do you actually believe tha BS that spews out of your
mouth? But then after reading numerous emails of yours I truelly believe
you believe your own BS. Bring it NK.. :D

You have seen my style? No you havent Terry, you've only played a few
turns in the same team in another game with me.. I'll tell you what; setup
a grudge team in the next few months (If you can find that many players!)
and play the Bloodguard Grudge team after our game with Team Suaremen.
I'll make you eat those words.......

[happymadcat]

This game has more twists and turns than a soap opera!!

Adam
DN

Who needs TV huh? :D

[happymadcat]

NK may bear the Icon of the Free but it remains hostile to the FP team.. I remain hostile to any team that accepts into thier Fold someone who joined another teams Usergroups then turns thier backs upon thier team for another simply becuase they have no heart.. I will ensure the FP do not win this game by fighting them.. In doing so I cannot win the game yet i ensure BWG does not either.
I picked up this nation to help the nuetral team have a shot of winning a game.. I hope this clears the way for a DS or Nuetral team victory. To the Nuetrals who remain I apoligize for my anger that brought about this move..
To the Ds i apprecieate your trust in the past few turns allowing me to lay waste the FP's dreams of winning this game.
To FP learn from this. You except traitors unto your team well within the rules you can have rogues bear your flag to destroy your team! This to is well within the rules!

Hahahahahaaahahahaha, gee this is really bad comedy! Something tells
me your the life and soul of parties... ;)

[HolyAvenger]

Your one who will die long before me due to your own inept startegies.. Ooooo nobody is helping me after you pissed off both the FP and DS as a kingdom.. Kingdoms should not be played by whinners!
All you have done from my First hand knowledge is run your mouth, piss on your teamates with your incompentence .. Yes your the life of parties alright laughing at the Fool! They would be called court jesters in this peroid.. Having you as a perment enemy makes me Laugh!

[happymadcat]

Your one who will die long before me due to your own inept startegies.. Ooooo nobody is helping me after you pissed off both the FP and DS as a kingdom.. Kingdoms should not be played by whinners!
All you have done from my First hand knowledge is run your mouth, piss on your teamates with your incompentence .. Yes your the life of parties alright laughing at the Fool! They would be called court jesters in this peroid.. Having you as a perment enemy makes me Laugh!

My incompetence? The only nations who achieved our objectives were
the Blackwater and SK.. And you call us incompetent? You should look
at the rest of the neutrals for incompetence.

And yes there is a good possibility of SK being knocked out, and???? I'm
in so many winning teams it really doesn't matter as one can't win them all.
The NK won't survive the game either, and?

Pernament enemy? You're quality of play does'nt make it an attractive
propositon. Learn some more and setup a team and I'll be waiting.

Don't talk, do it... For talk is cheap from the like of you

[HolyAvenger]

Let me get this right.. You setup the Nuetral team.. Invite me to pickup NK as a standby! then you who formed the nuetral team to begin with abandon it? Now I don't know how to setup something! <rolls around on floor laughing my ass off>
I would sell you a clue but obviously it would be takeing advantage of you!

[happymadcat]

Roll about on the floor seems the best you can do? No, I didnt setup the
neutral team up.. There were 4 players interested in the idea on the onset.
Secondly I didnt invite you to pick up the NK, that was Tuatha.

But ofcourse I was the owner of the yahoo group so therefore I was the
captain? Get a grip Terry.

Again, the only place it matters is on the ME battlefield. Setup a team
and play the Bloodguard soon unless you want to prove yourelf a total
windbag. Finally before accusing players get your facts straight.

Fact, SK still neutral and NK FP's. Your declaration of FP's to fight the
Freeps is plain wrong and poor play but to cover up you attack the SK.
Why does it make you feel better in yur lonely nights wondering what
happened to your life?

[HolyAvenger]

:rolleyes:

[happymadcat]

:rolleyes:

That made more sense then your last few posts put together

[rsaponas]

The Barbarians aren't very smart...... They are very confused.... They go back to their caves....

[HolyAvenger]

The Barbarians aren't very smart...... They are very confused.... They go back to their caves....

You think your confused.. I been asking how the Moderator of a team group sight leaves becuase he is already defeated just from the sight of troops marching.. I thought they had to fight before a battle is decided..

I guess this GUY never heard of Alexander the Great!

[happymadcat]

Nope, he just didnt want to be in the neutral team this GUY with the likes
of you. There was no spirit, motivation or co-ordination in the nuetral
group. Now Alexander commanded the finest battlehardened 'Greek' army
of his time and believed in those around him. No comparison.... :D

[Rollin Roberts]

Nope, he just didnt want to be in the neutral team this GUY with the likes
of you. There was no spirit, motivation or co-ordination in the nuetral
group. Now Alexander commanded the finest battlehardened 'Greek' army
of his time and believed in those around him. No comparison.... :D

You make very broad statements.

[HolyAvenger]

Nope, he just didnt want to be in the neutral team this GUY with the likes
of you. There was no spirit, motivation or co-ordination in the nuetral
group. Now Alexander commanded the finest battlehardened 'Greek' army
of his time and believed in those around him. No comparison.... :D

Hmm interesting.. So the armies you created must have been of the likes of the Persains Alexander faced.. Yeah he cut and ran too!;)

[happymadcat]

So know all Terence, tell me the story of Alexander's march, the compostion
of the Macedonian/Greek units and the units the Persians deployed against
them.. You don't even know the names of players in the same team as you
so I doubt you will know anything but the barest of details of Alexander's
time.. You got a degree in BS?

[happymadcat]

You make very broad statements.

Broad BUT very true

[Rollin Roberts]

To the Free and DS....you do me great honor.

You all have decided not to allow The Rangers and Imperia to battle it out. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that you ALL know the Rangers would surely fall, Ents and all.

To the DS, at least your reluctance perhaps comes from my attacks on the Realm of Darkness.

But to the Free, your unwarranted attacks on my nation after extensive diplos and coordinated economic endeavors as well as my coordination with you on my attack on the RoD has shown your diplomatic nature. Your further diplomatic policy is evidenced by your decision for continued joint attacks on my nation AFTER the Rangers and Imperia had brokered a deal to clash.

The Free have no honor.

So to the DS, beware your dealings with the Free. You know the old saying....the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Surely the DS and Imperia can be friends. After all, once the Free are eliminated, my one nation couldn't possibly defeat all of you.

Imperia

[lionatus]

Hello here

but because I seen the last thing I could see. DS and FP in the same side.

Ricard
Occitan Kingdom.-

It happened before in ME5, thats the 1st game 5 of ME, played in the UK say oh around 14 years ago and that was 1650.

[lionatus]

Terry and I have our own little war going so guys please forgive my lack of interest in any of the other goings on. Terry mate if you're still set upon the demise of the FP Im still here, with armies as well....................

[Rollin Roberts]

Broad BUT very true


The incompetence surrendered and departed.

Good ridance.

Rollin

[Er Murazor]

It happened before in ME5, thats the 1st game 5 of ME, played in the UK say oh around 14 years ago and that was 1650.

Anyway

Plenty of people here had my respect as Tolkien Lovers, now they are just Wargamers like thousands in the world. If you find normal DS and FP fighting together, then you missed something within the game. Something very important. So please don't call yourselves ME players, but wargame players.

Regarding betrayals and dishonour I'd like to know which pacts undersigned by my nation have been broken.

[HolyAvenger]

Terry and I have our own little war going so guys please forgive my lack of interest in any of the other goings on. Terry mate if you're still set upon the demise of the FP Im still here, with armies as well....................

yeah Kinda noticed your Huge fleet finnally arriving..

So I can survive a few more turns to at least give this game some personal interest..

Terry

[lionatus]

Anyway

Plenty of people here had my respect as Tolkien Lovers, now they are just Wargamers like thousands in the world.

Unfortuneately this is a wargame and roleplay isnt neccesarily required. I doubt Tolkien envisaged 9-strong agent companies wiping out an entire nations command structure in one game turn, nor cursers causing havoc allover the map. Even teams of emmies influencing away a capital in one shot. Whatever you're likes and dislikes this IS a wargame. Labelling us as such is true but I call you're statement of who loves Tolkien or not questionable. Why else would we play this wargame above all others?

[lionatus]

Additionally, neutrals in Tolkiens world didn't usually band together and attack opportunistically. They either joined one side or stayed well out of the way. So maybe you're love of Tolkiens ideal is questionable too.... Different folks think different things and thus form different opinions..... each to his own.

[lionatus]

yeah Kinda noticed your Huge fleet finnally arriving..

So I can survive a few more turns to at least give this game some personal interest..

Terry


Please, Im small and you are big. Wiping me out should be no problem and Im hardly likely to meet you on the high seas, yet again my love of ME seaborne warfare got the better of me. It does perturb me that I was attacked by you last turn, especially after you had declared to the FP side. Subsequent emails have gone unanswered. Oh and the navy in question has arrived at one of the towns you 525'd from me. This turn in fact whilst you were FP. I am amused, concerned and a little put out. Just like any other ME game then... Don't want to be attacking an ally and wasting troops though. So what are you Terry, an FP to delay DS attack, an FP willing to help the team or still a neutral but with a palantir for an icon? My email as ever is lionatus@hotmail.com if you wish to sending your pdf and xml would allay any suspicion beyond question. Following this gesture you would have my vote to join the FP group site.

[lionatus]

NK may bear the Icon of the Free but it remains hostile to the FP team..

I did wonder why you're cav disappeared away North. Looking at the map it seems Alqaulen has come to help too. Am seniding an email The surreal nature of this game and that fact that almost no-one has any facts to go with is clouding judgements. Or else they are just following their own agenda and making excuses. Ricard Im not pointing fingers in case you chop them off..... but you do seem to jump even when theres no-one around to push

[zanussi]

Freeps - truce or no truce that is the question?

DN

[HolyAvenger]

Freeps - truce or no truce that is the question?

DN

No truce from this FP eating all the FP in NW.. One FP down In silveren.. Valinor your Next!

[Er Murazor]

Indeed Ds have been the ones taking advantage of this situation, they now own all Mordor and they are eating SK. What a pitty, FP agreed to a pact that only is good for DS. All Neutrals are fighting FP and DS are just taking whatever they want. No colour at all in the game, with no doubt Black will Rule in the end.

[jmason86]

Dishonorable Ruler of the North Kingdom,

A Free People attacking other Free People. I spit in your general direction. Your days are numbered. I look forward to standing over your grave.

Blackwater Guild

[HolyAvenger]

Dishonorable Ruler of the North Kingdom,

A Free People attacking other Free People. I spit in your general direction. Your days are numbered. I look forward to standing over your grave.

Blackwater Guild

Spit in your own grave.. Your one who is dieing while I am seeing to the FP demise.. Your chances of winning this game are zero! I stuck around just long enough to ensure it! Next time stick to your Origonal team! :bash:

Geez I wonder why the DS have ganged up on you and left me alone! :rolleyes:

[lionatus]

No truce from this FP eating all the FP in NW.. One FP down In silveren.. Valinor your Next!

Was my own stupid fault. I bankrupted because Ididnt get my orders done in time. Sorry Terry but thats one for kudos and not the NK. Reallife intrudes into my gaming again...lol.

[HolyAvenger]

Was my own stupid fault. I bankrupted because Ididnt get my orders done in time. Sorry Terry but thats one for kudos and not the NK. Reallife intrudes into my gaming again...lol.

Alan

I do believe that fully.. Dang Real life stuff always getting in way of our fun..

I just like also have fun with my Forum Tripe!

Just a Curiuos note here from your Other posts.. You trying to put together some of your Ole buds for a new Grudge team? I personally believe there are few players that only play in Grudge matchs now..

[Socrates]

Interesting thread...
Please tell me about this grudge thing. :confused:
So what has transpired during my long absence?
Love? War?
:fork:
Freeps implode...
Darkies profit and lurk...
Neuts barely survive...
Any talk of truce?
Any chance of peace?

[Socrates]

Ok which one of you hit me in the nose?
OK buddy it's just me and you...