Game 18 at last

[mgrazebrook]

Germans do have a sense of humor. Maybe a bit more an the sarcastic side, to the american cake in the face humor, but humor none the less.


I've lived long enough in Germany, and I'm assured they do have a sense of humour. I even went to a lecture once where a professor tried to explain it.

I'm sure Tina will correct me when I get home.

[mgrazebrook]

I see a horde of Sinda are visiting my Mirkwood camp again. I bet you don't have the courage to try a threat. You know the fighting spirit of orcs is superior to elves, as we showed you.

[Another Darrel]

Hey Darrel,

you are supposed to insult our opponents

well that is not nice, by saying we DS have only one german playing in this game with a sense of humor, you imply that either Peter, Tine or I don´t have a sense of Humor.

1/3 of the DS Team is German.

Germans do have a sense of humor. Maybe a bit more an the sarcastic side, to the american cake in the face humor, but humor none the less.

FK alive and kicking. By the way the FP botched it Turn 14 and still no FK pop center has been taken by attack or threat, only a single newly placed camp influenced by Elrond. Boy are the FP kicking the sh.. out of me. I need to surrended soon, before Osric is successful this turn :D

As yes, my bad....I just knew that Gixx knew Tine personally so I left you guys out. :o

Don't leave out the Canadians....if you've ever seen the Red Green show...you'll know what I mean about funny. :D

[VEO]

Keep making fun of Canadians...come visit one day and after you have a couple of our beers, we'll show you what else we can do with duct tape...

[Brad Jenison]

and after a lot of beers we'll show you what can be done with a ladies dress a park bench and some make up....

[Another Darrel]

Keep making fun of Canadians...come visit one day and after you have a couple of our beers, we'll show you what else we can do with duct tape...

Ah, the Canadian mating ritual....no thanks I saw it on the Discovery Channel and that was plenty for me. I think we have a breeding pair of canadians at the local zoo now and I go out of my way to avoid walking by the enclosure.

[VEO]

Work good. Gots me a good'un woo. Makee babee dailee. And no much talkee.

[Brad Jenison]

FK alive and kicking. By the way the FP botched it Turn 14 and still no FK pop center has been taken by attack or threat, only a single newly placed camp influenced by Elrond. Boy are the FP kicking the sh.. out of me. I need to surrended soon, before Osric is successful this turn :D[/QUOTE]


Now, THAT'S SARCASIM

Brad the Dragon Lord

[Mormegil]

Now, THAT'S SARCASIM

Brad the Dragon Lord


Maybe by your stardards :D

[Brad Jenison]

What's up? Has Ditski been relieved of the Baghdad Bob position?

[Another Darrel]

I was just wondering that if the Dwarves are lowering thier tax rate and the duns are busy chasing small armies around to regain camps. (Both fine fine displays of protecting ones own territory....)

Who exactly is going to rescue the northwest?
Of course if they aren't asking for help then that's another story.

[VEO]

You guys are really, really funny.

[Another Darrel]

You guys are really, really funny.

But I'm not hearing you deny it. :-)

I like hearing you guys say things like....you won't take any of the capitals in the west in the next few turns because you know I will remind you of this when it occurs.

This is how you cut through the bluster when your opponents won't actually say anything concrete you know that in their hearts they know the game is lost.

[VEO]

Interesting theory. There's more to this game than counting the number of turns the Dragon Lord lives at 2809 you know... :D

[Mormegil]

[QUOTE=you know that in their hearts they know the game is lost.[/QUOTE]

what hearts?
To say it with Morrissey (from his last, excellent album): "I would give you my heart, that's if I had one..." :D

[Brad Jenison]

No Bernd

In this game you are the Free people none of which are the deathless. We know you guys are finished, just waiting for you to realize it as well. Sorry this game will have been so short for you.

Brad

[VEO]

elves are as immortal as nazgul in this game son, better looking too...

[Mormegil]

what? we are the freeps? :eek:

now I know where the problems come from :D

honestly: I have only been in this game for 3 turns, but you DS must have suffered mightily in the first 11 to be that polemic...

[Another Darrel]

Oh and you know what happens around turn 5 don´t you?

Nice liizzzard, eat Human/Elf/Dwarf flesh, be a nice (evil) dragon.

Martin

been there, done that.
dragon killer. no more lizards. basic tactic in grudge games.

sm

Hey, how is this tactic working out for you guys?

[Another Darrel]

Ah yes, I see, I forgot Imladris. Okay, so defend the west. We'll be content with Morannon, Durthang, Barad Perras and Dol Guldor for the time being.

Cheers,

Beora

Are you still content? If so, you definitely aren't playing arthedain or Cardolan.

[VEO]

You guys are still funny. Stop prophesizing, you have had a 10% or less success rate. Walk the walk, *then* talk the talk... :D

[Another Darrel]

You guys are still funny. Stop prophesizing, you have had a 10% or less success rate. Walk the walk, *then* talk the talk... :D

Hmmm....I didn't prophesize anything in those posts.
You are understandably grouchy seeing as how your team cohesion has fallen apart.

Your team appears to have failed it's morale check. :eek:

[VEO]

How can I be grumpy..?? English a second language? I say you're funny...means I'm laughing, see? Like pulling teeth you guys...NOW I'm getting grumpy....

[Another Darrel]

How can I be grumpy..?? English a second language? I say you're funny...means I'm laughing, see? Like pulling teeth you guys...NOW I'm getting grumpy....

Understand your posts do not I sometimes.

[VEO]

Understand your posts do not I sometimes.

Is "I" a verb? What do my posts do? AAAHHHHHHHH! I can't play these guys anymore!!! ED! It's working!! You've got in my head, under my skin..!!!! I'll get the nail clippers and start hacking the back of my neck to remove the microchip..! I can't take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beora

[VEO]

No..!! I'm sorry!! Please make it stop! I'll do anything you want!!! Please..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry....

Beora

[Another Darrel]

Is "I" a verb? What do my posts do? AAAHHHHHHHH! I can't play these guys anymore!!! ED! It's working!! You've got in my head, under my skin..!!!! I'll get the nail clippers and start hacking the back of my neck to remove the microchip..! I can't take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beora

That was one of the best posts I've ever seen on this forum. :D

[Ditski]

This is great. Turn 15 coming up and both sides think they are winning. Time will show which assessment is correct.

No Assessments, just plain old boasting and bluffing ;)

[Ditski]

No Bernd

In this game you are the Free people none of which are the deathless. We know you guys are finished, just waiting for you to realize it as well. Sorry this game will have been so short for you.

Brad


Nope - A short game would mean you are defeated... this is way to long a game :(

[Ditski]

Hmmm....I didn't prophesize anything in those posts.
You are understandably grouchy seeing as how your team cohesion has fallen apart.

Your team appears to have failed it's morale check. :eek:

The up side is - without cohesion we have given you guys a run for ya money... might make you think what could have happened don't it :D

[Another Darrel]

The up side is - without cohesion we have given you guys a run for ya money... might make you think what could have happened don't it :D

You guys showed plenty of cohesion for the first 10-12 turns. I reiterate that I was impressed (and intend to steal ideas from) some of the stuff I saw you guys do.

Nobody played a perfect game (no one ever does). ;)

Sorry for rubbing salt in your wounds as this game winds down but this is payback for what we had to sit through and I'm afraid you guys will just drop and run here at the end so take your medicine. :hug:

[Brad Jenison]

Nope - A short game would mean you are defeated... this is way to long a game :(


Dits,

I know you have been among the missing lately, but you do realize that Bernd did not start out this game and has only been playing for a short time don't you? I read your other posts to Darrel as well, out of touch would certainly describe you. Last couple of turns have not been kind to your side. This turn will probably be just as unkind, but we will wait and post the casualty returns some time tomorrow so stay tuned.

[VEO]

You guys showed plenty of cohesion for the first 10-12 turns.

"Don't believe everything you read"

"Appearances can be deceiving"

Funny...see? I mean, real funny...you are lecturing us on *our* internal workings..???? Do you not see the hilarious irony there? Lecture us on how many super characters *you* have if you want, but please, [sniff] please don't tell us that what has passed for a Grudge game had anything to do with a "team".. My oh, if it wasn't so disappointingly sad it would be, well, funny...!

:bash:

Beora

[Another Darrel]

"Don't believe everything you read"

"Appearances can be deceiving"

Funny...see? I mean, real funny...you are lecturing us on *our* internal workings..???? Do you not see the hilarious irony there? Lecture us on how many super characters *you* have if you want, but please, [sniff] please don't tell us that what has passed for a Grudge game had anything to do with a "team".. My oh, if it wasn't so disappointingly sad it would be, well, funny...!

:bash:

Beora

Oh please, I wasn't lecturing you at all. (But now I am) :fork:

I'm pointing out that you guys showed several actions requiring teamwork (pooling command artifacts, coordinated target selection vs. Rhu and WK, hiding PC's we could go on and on here) and then things seem to fall apart based upon your actions at 2008. (But you guys had lost by then anyway.)

What I'm hearing now is excuses and insults. You guys won't even say we made any decent moves as a team....all I'm hearing is that we are bad and that you guys had no teamwork and otherwise we'd have lost to you. That's a load.

How much team work do you need to pull off more than one steal a turn?(Until last turn that was pretty much what you guys averaged).
How about naming a full roster of characters and recruiting? Cardolan (and others?) seems to be short in both areas....is that teamwork's fault?
Even 2-3 nations can get together and make something work in an area.

I fully admit that our team didn't play a perfect game...I made several mistakes myself...but I can now understand why some of the "veterans" I see are fairly mediocre to bad players...they never find fault in their own actions always bad luck, other people etc. so they never improve.:bash:

[Another Darrel]

Today is brought to you by the letter E

http://pbskids.org/sesame/coloring/e.html

[VEO]

Have fun and make it fun for others.

[Mormegil]

hey Darrel & other DS,

nobody said you are bad (well technically, you are :D ) - and the reasons why you aren't beaten yet are manyfold - no excuses here.
my personal opinion is that a good FP team SHOULD have beaten you by now, and, as I said before, everybody can draw his own conclusions from that.
I agree with you insofar as a veteran doesn't automatically make a good player, and a bunch of skilled individuals don't make a good team. cooperation is everything, and lack of it means losing - very simple.
ATM we are trying our best to improve. you might think you have won. If WE think you have won, we will concede the game to you. so talk as much as you like, you'll have to be patient :)

[Pfendi]

Today is brought to you by the letter E

http://pbskids.org/sesame/coloring/e.html

Hi Darrel,

thanks for the E. I had two 30+ age female co-workes filling out the colours and attaching it to their computer screen. :confused:
You made their day.:)

Sometimes you never know, what motivates people.

Martin

[Brad Jenison]

Boys Boys, Let's have some fun here. I am awaiting my turn so don't know how things have gone. I have lots to look forward to I hope. Will get to see the Northmen in action. The West looked to be interesting maybe some interest in other places as well.

You know Bernd, I have been hearing this a good team should have beaten you from your posts several times. Lewis Morton's team was supposed to have been a good team they lost to us. I really do feel your team is losing to us; as you say we'll need to have patience until that conclusion is reached by your side as well. In fact we have played any who asked and are as yet undefeated. In fact this team has never lost a nation except to a game with members who are on the team. So, if I were simply to look at win percentages and scores etc I would have to conclude that this is a pretty good team.

Your team is a cobbled together team and has not had a lot of time to come together. Perhaps it will not get that chance. Your team started strong and for the first 5 turns or so gave us a lot of concern. However it seems something went wrong with your side around turn 6 and you have never quite recovered. Not being able to read your turn reports I assume you're still full of confidence because most of your nations economies are still intact. We haven't hit the Eothraim, Northmen, or for that matter many of your nations. However the situation in Cardolan and Arthedain is not going well for you. I think even you have to admit that. Dragons have turned the tide for us, and we were playing for time to get the assassins and mages where we needed them. We are turning the corner there.

As I said this is a good game if both sides like their chances. We will play it out...see how good you guys feel this evening.

Cheers
Brad J

[smuller]

lost elladan, collar of might, tinculin. considering we had no scout of enemy characters in 3627, we bagged tinculin and abyss, not a bad day. mage artifacts were a push, agent artifacts were a push. you got elladan, we got spirit mastery.
guess you spanked us again, eh? you might be winning( your guestimate), but parking your sickness team, and two high end killers at 3627 doesn't exactly indicate your dictating tempo, but rather reacting. enjoy your continued stay in the now empty hex, the elves crapped in the beds, pee in the cups.

sm
still awaiting my turn.

[Another Darrel]

Arthedain made a nice move with Minastir to arrive at the Rhudaur capital with plenty of horses and warmachines....which will end in a repeat of what happened when you tried the manuever with Argeleb at 2006.

Meneldir is already coughing heavily and running a high fever....too bad he won't be around to see Arthedains capital fall this turn.

All told a fairly straightforward turn.

[Diehard]

However it seems something went wrong with your side around turn 6 and you have never quite recovered.

Something went wrong on turn 0... that there even is a game to play is a bit of a miracle. Without a doubt, this has been the least enjoyable game I've been in due to the internal dynamics.

If the DS have a winning hand, then please play it and get this thing over with.

@A.D. - I think you guys have done a fine job in the NW.

- Keith

[VEO]

I think they've done a fine job on a number of fronts. Less than advertised on others, who knows where the luck/rolls have gone for/against, as with us. We've done well here, not so much there, excellent hither and atrocious yon. But Keith speaks the truth - as the game wore on it became increasingly obvious that it never should have started. Some players were too nice. There's more to this "game" than pieces on the board. Some players have learned their lesson...twicefold in one particular case.

Beora

[Brad Jenison]

Interesting results, a mixed bag this go round. Ole! to the Northmen at Sarn Goriwing, now limp away or we shall taunt you. Only one more candidate army?

Brad, the Dragon Lord

[Another Darrel]

lost elladan, collar of might, tinculin. considering we had no scout of enemy characters in 3627, we bagged tinculin and abyss, not a bad day. mage artifacts were a push, agent artifacts were a push. you got elladan, we got spirit mastery.
guess you spanked us again, eh? you might be winning( your guestimate), but parking your sickness team, and two high end killers at 3627 doesn't exactly indicate your dictating tempo, but rather reacting. enjoy your continued stay in the now empty hex, the elves crapped in the beds, pee in the cups.

sm
still awaiting my turn.

That was lady luck's revenge for when Sauron saved our bacon a few turns back. :)

I'm not sure if you are praising the noldo or being sarcastic about what they've been *accomplishing*.

[Another Darrel]

Hi Darrel,

thanks for the E. I had two 30+ age female co-workes filling out the colours and attaching it to their computer screen. :confused:
You made their day.:)

Sometimes you never know, what motivates people.

Martin

Cool. I'm tying to post more links to funny\odd stuff to add some much needed humor around here. :)

Here is a picture of my town\fort at 1806 after arthedain came by a couple turns back.

http://www.solarviews.com/raw/earth/meteor.jpg

[VEO]

That was lady luck's revenge for when Sauron saved our bacon a few turns back. :)

Believe it or not, he's back... Crow all you want, RNG's are the true heroes in this game.

[Another Darrel]

Believe it or not, he's back... Crow all you want, RNG's are the true heroes in this game.

I guarantee you that as a guy that works with numbers and in the insurance industry that I am ACUTELY aware of how "random events" can bite you in the posterior or save your bacon. :eek: Hurricanes, or the lack thereof in the US in any given year make things interesting for us even living in the middle of the country.

Early on in the game....Galadriel and then eagles made some not so pleasant appearances to our dismay and we had some sour luck last turn in several areas....sounds like it's your turn for some eh?

Usually these things average out over time but that timeframe usually spans several games and it always hurts worst when it happens to you.

[Mormegil]

I might have not played that many games compared to some others here, but I never have seen a sauron encounter before - and twice this game. You know, we had a balrog visiting, too :rolleyes:

[Mormegil]

BTW some OT:

I have seen "an inconvenient truth" last week and would be interested if the insurance fees in the US have indeed risen? that would mean that the economy is accepting something that the government is still denying somehow...

[Brad Jenison]

Happy Thanksgiving to all the players out there. Game 18 players hope all enjoy the holiday.

Brad

[VEO]

And the Germans and Canadians and Aussies return the Happy... ;)

[Another Darrel]

BTW some OT:

I have seen "an inconvenient truth" last week and would be interested if the insurance fees in the US have indeed risen? that would mean that the economy is accepting something that the government is still denying somehow...

Insurance for the most part is supply and demand. So the rates generally follow perceived short term risk. (and ocean temperatures in the gulf and south atlantic are high)

I would not put much faith in global warming solely due to insurance rates etc. as they can shift heavily when a bunch of morons living in florida build multi-million dollar homes on essentially barrier islands etc. The state regulations are contributors too. :D

I don't know what claims an inconvenient truth makes about insurance...email me privately if you want to discuss.

Edited to add that I don't doubt global warming....just that claiming the insurance industry is "recognizing global warming" is probably not entirely accurate.

[mgrazebrook]

The Dark Lieutenants would like to thank South Gondor and the Corsairs for their excellent hospitality. As a spying mission, our raid to Berlin was not a great success - the only hitherto unknown information we gleaned (that Urzahil owns a major town in South Gondor) was immediately obvious as soon as I'd had a chance to read my turn.

In the war of propaganda, disinformation and black tricks I have to say Gerhard won hands down by lending me the first two boxes of Babylon 5 DVDs which I've watched obsessively - with the result than I'm now too tired to write a decent set of orders ...

Thanks for introducing me to Middle Earth all those years ago and thanks again for your hospitality.

[mgrazebrook]

Urzahil is delighted with his new major town in South Gondor. Fortunately far enough from the coast to avoid disconcertingly fresh sea breezes. A true home away from home. And all those little towns, so pretty and innocent without any walls - we can hardly wait.

[VEO]

Blah. Game over. Enjoy your "victory". We see a lot of these over here, they're called Acclaimations when nobody contests elections. Considering how long it's been, I have to wonder if you really want the win or should the DS simply retire embarassed before the ceremony?

Beora

[Brad Jenison]

Er. Brad is that a team concession? If you guys have decided to pack it in then someone should contact John Simpson and let him know. If not the orders are ready to run. Not quite as successful last turn for us as a team but successfull enough that we don't feel embarassed. Not as much as the Northman commanders who lost their commands last turn. Now who will react to the Long Rider? Who will ride to lift the sieges of the Cardolan and Arthedain capitals? Not over yet unless you guys make it so.

Brad

[Another Darrel]

Blah. Game over. Enjoy your "victory". We see a lot of these over here, they're called Acclaimations when nobody contests elections. Considering how long it's been, I have to wonder if you really want the win or should the DS simply retire embarassed before the ceremony?

Beora

http://www.gerber.com/prodcat?catid=579

:hug:

[VEO]

I'll grant you the quick-link award. :)

[Brad Jenison]

So, the question remains, Freeps; you guys had enough or are you thirsting for more?

[VEO]

Neither and both.

[smuller]

In the war of propaganda, disinformation and black tricks I have to say Gerhard won hands down by lending me the first two boxes of Babylon 5 DVDs which I've watched obsessively - with the result than I'm now too tired to write a decent set of orders ...



wow, i haven't read that title in many years. yes, a solid show. one character now makes the occasional appearance on "LOST" a pretty popular show here in the states.

enjoy your viewing.

as for the game, anything posted on this board is pretty much for fun, and i dont take much(if any) of your teams babble as fact. but it is fun. the dwarven ring of power is in hex ++++. it might be in your possession next turn, it might not be in your possession next turn. you think gorthog is the only guy who can steal artifacts. no, you know gorthog hog isn't the only guy who can steal artifacts. where is tinculin these days?

the long rider, what a nazgul in a dingy with a few troops?

besides, if my side loses, i had fun.( too much time reading emails from GIXX)


sm

had to edit this message. feer mi speling, esp when im hurried

[Brad Jenison]

Still not an answer Steve, so orders go in and the game continues. I believe it was you who posted that exchange of artifacts was a push at 3627. We'll kind of go along with that. Although we can put the ring to immediate use and Tinculin will take you at least some time to really benefit from. Maybe you have the time maybe not. Maybe we'll just track it back down and kill whoever has it and take it back. Maybe your team will hold together that long.

Quite a Dinghy, I am sure Ditski did not plan on or allow for losing that one. Gixx is entertaining I will grant you that. Babylon is one of my wife and my favorites too. We forgot to remind Mike of the warning given to King Priam before Mike went to Berlin. Then again Gixx is a German not a Greek.

I believe the correct term now is when my side loses not if my side loses in your case. We'll wait and see.

[Gixxer]

Greetings Warlords,
nice to see that we have a lot of Babylonians here.--

I guess many of you have already noticed that I'm not able to organize a lot at the moment.

Fortunately I'm not alone and several other tough players are able to do the c-job, esp. Ditto.

The last weeks we were busy to care for Anja's grandma, finally we were able to find a place in a home for blind people.
Today we accompanied the old lady to her new home.--

Mike in the case you'll threat away another SG-town, I won't lend you the next three seasons (grin) !!!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Gixxer]

Arthedain made a nice move with Minastir to arrive at the Rhudaur capital with plenty of horses and warmachines....which will end in a repeat of what happened when you tried the manuever with Argeleb at 2006.



Hmm,
a really quite AD!

AD what happened?

You haven't got Arthedain's cap but you've lost yours!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Brad Jenison]

He has? Nope Gixx, he's not the Rhudaur you are looking for. Bravo you captured the Rhudaur capital in only 16 turns. Impressive indeed.

From what I hear the citizens of Fornost Erain are pretty restive. So while it may have not yet fallen you know as well as I do it is very very close. Your Arthedain player has been nobly sacrificing army commanders to try to hold on as long as he can. Hope the supply doesn't run completely out.

What's that the first Cardolan Suicide Division boldly marches into their capital. Goodbye to them.

Stole a march on your Eothraim now to start raiding the River Running with my Long Rider ally. Bravo again, come get me Ditski you realize of course this is not my being evicted from Mirkwood but ME invading YOUR territory. Come catch me if you can.

It's a good game Gixx, I still think we have the upper hand though.

Brad

[Gixxer]

He has? Nope Gixx, he's not the Rhudaur you are looking for. Bravo you captured the Rhudaur capital in only 16 turns. Impressive indeed.

From what I hear the citizens of Fornost Erain are pretty restive. So while it may have not yet fallen you know as well as I do it is very very close. Your Arthedain player has been nobly sacrificing army commanders to try to hold on as long as he can. Hope the supply doesn't run completely out.

What's that the first Cardolan Suicide Division boldly marches into their capital. Goodbye to them.

Stole a march on your Eothraim now to start raiding the River Running with my Long Rider ally. Bravo again, come get me Ditski you realize of course this is not my being evicted from Mirkwood but ME invading YOUR territory. Come catch me if you can.

It's a good game Gixx, I still think we have the upper hand though.

Brad

Hi Brad,
do you mean this single icon at 3010?

I'm really impressed!

I think that one of your nations has already bites the dust!

Some others will follow!--

The upper hand?

Hmm, haven't seen all results up to now but if you think so, I don't wan't to destroy your illusions right now.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Gixxer]

P. S.

Brad,
I've forgotten to ask:

Will you move armies out of Mordor?

Haven't seen a single one up to now!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Another Darrel]

Hmm,
a really quite AD!

AD what happened?

You haven't got Arthedain's cap but you've lost yours!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

Took my kids sledding if that's ok with you....sheeesh!:D

Yep, 2004 and 2008 both fell to flat out orders errors and arthedains capital hangs by a thread (lucky lucky) and will go down this turn.

Yeah, I'm just so demoralized you know....the WK invading arthedain and cardolan reduced to camp raiding....oh how shall we go on?:rolleyes:

[Another Darrel]

P. S.

Brad,
I've forgotten to ask:

Will you move armies out of Mordor?

Haven't seen a single one up to now!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

Sorry, I must apologize for playing down to the level of our competition. We'll try to pay more attention and get this game over with before you guys kill each other in a bloody coup.

[smuller]

Brad Jenison,

i was gonna respond to your post. but after your fearless predictions on the fall of 1407/1513 and the surival of 2008, i decided you might predict the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. you've botched every other prediction, can't risk you botching that one.

SM

your little icon at 3110. either we are ignoring it, or its so unimportant, we just dont care. you just keep on explaining its importance. its turn 16: try taking 3222, we've had it for 15 turns. we'd have redecorated if we knew it was an ownership thing. we only wanted it to burn morannon. then to burn durthang. then to pin you inside mordor. its of minor tactical importance. please do a cost anaylsis, this time on the harad turn. losing a(nother) m town, 2 towns that produce gold, then having to move troops around to retake the centers, regaining them at reduced size, orders lost, wages paid, food eaten, attacks missed, loyalities reduced. its an economic debacle. sorry, did i get carried away with myself? imagine if i "replied."
ditto, your a bad man. i was being so good. back to cave, up on the cloud, regain "the Zen".

[Gixxer]

Took my kids sledding if that's ok with you....sheeesh!:D

Yep, 2004 and 2008 both fell to flat out orders errors and arthedains capital hangs by a thread (lucky lucky) and will go down this turn.

Yeah, I'm just so demoralized you know....the WK invading arthedain and cardolan reduced to camp raiding....oh how shall we go on?:rolleyes:

AD,
I'm really able to understand your feelings.

I would also be demoralized if my small armies would have moved into some bigger-ones!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Gixxer]

Sorry, I must apologize for playing down to the level of our competition. We'll try to pay more attention and get this game over with before you guys kill each other in a bloody coup.

.. and ?

Are we going to see another Dogish-HC-army comming through the ruins of the Black gate?

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Brad Jenison]

Stevie,

Lighten up, this is all in fun man. I don't remember making predictions about 1513 or 1407 other that it was going to be costly for you and it has been. More of the same actually killing off characters lowering your loyalties. We can read, the results of the emissary actions show how vulnerable 1407 is. Your actions confirm it. Sending an army in for sure distruction in the hopes it can stave off another round of lowering loyalty, in both locations I might add. Now who looks desperate there I wonder. It's OK we'll play on.

I'm glad you'll choos to ignore me. I'll be happy to go after your population centers.

Oh and tell Gixx he may have eliminated one nation but there are still plenty more.

Brad

[Gixxer]

Stevie,


Oh and tell Gixx he may have eliminated one nation but there are still plenty more.

Brad

Brad,
11 and counting down!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Brad Jenison]

Ah Gixx, wishful thinking. I was just pulling your leg, you guys haven't eliminated anyone. Not even close, but keep plugging along.

As you say have fun, try to convince Steve to take this game more in the spirit of fun while you're at it.

Glad you found a nice place for Anja's grammy. I've had to help my mom do that for her older sisters and brothers too many times. They're all gone now she is the last of 11 but still going strong.

Brad

[Another Darrel]

Brad Jenison,

i was gonna respond to your post. but after your fearless predictions on the fall of 1407/1513 and the surival of 2008, i decided you might predict the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. you've botched every other prediction, can't risk you botching that one.

SM

your little icon at 3110. either we are ignoring it, or its so unimportant, we just dont care. you just keep on explaining its importance. its turn 16: try taking 3222, we've had it for 15 turns. we'd have redecorated if we knew it was an ownership thing. we only wanted it to burn morannon. then to burn durthang. then to pin you inside mordor. its of minor tactical importance. please do a cost anaylsis, this time on the harad turn. losing a(nother) m town, 2 towns that produce gold, then having to move troops around to retake the centers, regaining them at reduced size, orders lost, wages paid, food eaten, attacks missed, loyalities reduced. its an economic debacle. sorry, did i get carried away with myself? imagine if i "replied."
ditto, your a bad man. i was being so good. back to cave, up on the cloud, regain "the Zen".

Your teamates....Ditski, Winstun etc. dumped so much trash talk on us in the early going that we are for the most part just dishing some of this back. Generally, like you, we are just posting misinformation (we knew 2008 was toast when the wrong answer to Scorba was given....lol) then came yet another visit from eagles...guess they're giving Galadriel a rest now....:D

All good, I *REALLY* would prefer to keep our exchanges more fun.
Consider that your teams bickering has probably tainted a lot of how you guys view our posts and take a deep breath and have fun. :)

[Another Darrel]

AD,
I'm really able to understand your feelings.

I would also be demoralized if my small armies would have moved into some bigger-ones!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

Haven't seen all our teams turns yet....as for my small armies.....hmmmmm I wonder why I moved them where I did? Could they be blocking? Tethering someone into position perhaps? Sightseeing?

Yes, orders errors are the bane of everyone's existance John Simpson catches most of them though....truly a great contribution to the team to have someone proof read orders and catch most issues.

[Another Darrel]

Brad,
11 and counting down!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

Yes the WK has been eliminated...no need to refuse challenge from my characters this turn or worry about armies etc. :D Just go about your business.;)

[Gixxer]

Yes the WK has been eliminated...no need to refuse challenge from my characters this turn or worry about armies etc. :D Just go about your business.;)

AD,
you're not telling us the truth, like many times before.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Gixxer]

Ah Gixx, wishful thinking. I was just pulling your leg, you guys haven't eliminated anyone. Not even close, but keep plugging along.

As you say have fun, try to convince Steve to take this game more in the spirit of fun while you're at it.

Glad you found a nice place for Anja's grammy. I've had to help my mom do that for her older sisters and brothers too many times. They're all gone now she is the last of 11 but still going strong.

Brad

Hi Bradden,
many thanks for your sympathy, let's hope that your mom will "go strong" further on.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Gixxer]

Your teamates....Ditski, Winstun etc. dumped so much trash talk on us in the early going that we are for the most part just dishing some of this back. Generally, like you, we are just posting misinformation (we knew 2008 was toast when the wrong answer to Scorba was given....lol) then came yet another visit from eagles...guess they're giving Galadriel a rest now....:D

All good, I *REALLY* would prefer to keep our exchanges more fun.
Consider that your teams bickering has probably tainted a lot of how you guys view our posts and take a deep breath and have fun. :)

AD,
Ditski and Winston are some really amusing guys, but they're comming from Down Under perhaps that might explain their different kind of humour.

I've also had my problems with their postings esp. when they've used their traditional Aussie-slang.

Sometimes they're using words you won't find in a dictionary.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Brad Jenison]

Gixx,

I notice neither is doing much posting as of late. I think Darrel hit it on the head about the trash talk early and ours now.

Some of the talk did teach me a lesson. After Urgubal's destruction at the foot of Dol Guldur, one of your allies pointed out that my attack simply saved you an order. I have learned from that and actually saved myself some orders since. This has been a hard fought game. We of course feel we have the upper hand, obviously you guys do as well and that is the sign of a evenly matched game. So, I hope you will be able to convince Steve that there is no need to get angry about the game.

To answer your questions about the armies from Mordor. Those that were leaving left a long time ago. You have been so obliging about sending opposition that we have saved thousands of gold on shoe leather. We only march a short distance fight a battle, our dragons eat your armies we recover the shoes from our dead and yours and recycle them to new troops who are thankful to be issued boots that have already been broken in. I have always wondered at the the battlefield recovery messages where food and not durable goods are found by commanders. Imagine how much tougher it would be for your guys if you were facing our troops who were equipped with fine Gondorian and Eothraim blades. Still our dragon ranches and procurement system is working well for us.

I guess my insignificant icon will simply go his merry way since you guys see it as a non threat.

Brad

[Gixxer]

I guess my insignificant icon will simply go his merry way since you guys see it as a non threat.

Brad

Hi Brad,
this time I'm using your words "wait and see"!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Another Darrel]

Hey Veo....and whomever is playing the Duns....you might want to look at your western teamates pdf's and think "worst case scenario"....we'll be seeing you guys REALLY soon.

Of course you can choose to believe Gixxer that everything is ok....and I'm just making up stories....

[Brad Jenison]

Now Gixx was that move by Hallas a desperate one or what? Recruit 100 troops and move them to the capital and sure death only to stave off emissary attack for another turn? Moving agent help there are you? Want to get into a character battle or just hoping that Hallas gives Cardolan another breath of life. Where has Hallas been? Touring the lands of the Duns? What did he do with all those troops he had? He certainly didn't fight anyone. Is it possible he headed for a distant frontier and then when he realized what a desperate plight his nation was in he disbanded his troops and rushed home to throw himself on the pile of dead?

Again all in fun Steve, all in fun. Don't get into a flame mood.

[VEO]

Hey Veo....and whomever is playing the Duns....you might want to look at your western teamates pdf's and think "worst case scenario"....we'll be seeing you guys REALLY soon.

Of course you can choose to believe Gixxer that everything is ok....and I'm just making up stories....

Nobody's playing the Duns and I have no allies west of the mountains. Might as well come over now.

Beora

[VEO]

Again all in fun Steve, all in fun. Don't get into a flame mood.

We're flamed out on our group. All in fun, of course. This place isn't fun. It's funny. See?

Beora

[Brad Jenison]

Glad you're flamed out. Yes it is funny isn't it? Can't I get someone to at least chase me around a bit in Mirkwood? I am a threat, really I am. Off to get some sleep now.

Brad

[Another Darrel]

Hey Gixx, you guys are awfully quiet lately....busy trying to find replacements for those that don't want to stick around for the train wreck?

My biggest source of interest right now is how many FP icons will be on my map next turn....I'm guessing 3 at most.

Did Ditski drop now? Just how many people have dropped from your team?

[VEO]

Nobody dropped. Nobody was here to begin with, nobody available to drop. When we find someone capable of dropping, we'll let you know. I can't drop, because I'm not really playing this game. See how it's all funny?

Beora

[Another Darrel]

Nobody dropped. Nobody was here to begin with, nobody available to drop. When we find someone capable of dropping, we'll let you know. I can't drop, because I'm not really playing this game. See how it's all funny?

Beora

At what point do you think you are wasting both your time and money and ours?

Seems like everyone has just gotten bored with this game and wants to move on.

[Mormegil]

well - BJ is telling us that this is a hard fought game and AD assumes everybody is bored - can you agree on something? :D

[Brad Jenison]

Darrel's not bored in fact none of US are bored, you guys seem to be. Ditski has stopped posting. Veo's recent postings are all about how funny things are. I believe that is what Darrel is talking about.

Brad

[IronLord]

Well I'm bored....noting really has happend in this game since the EO sacked a few capitals oh about 12 turns ago. The Markets gone, you guys have no gold to move, we have the long push into Mordor to finsh you off. Turn 17 one has even cast a curse, you guys have slaped together a 4 man sickness crew wow. Four huge point scoring Chars. kill once crap commander a turn. If you get them in the same hex. In about 5-6 truns turns the DS will lose just about every PC outside mordor....other then a stray Emy'ed towns or such. You think you can hurt the FP's here by burning, Emy, or threatening a few of our PC's but it really dose not matter in the long run as you have nothing to hold on to them with. Your agent actions are rather lame, soon built FP agents will be able to match....its a slow ride down hill for the DS. Sorry, just how I see it. This is not from any Great play by the FP's mind you its just the way its going to fall...

Dwarf

[Another Darrel]

Well I'm bored....noting really has happend in this game since the EO sacked a few capitals oh about 12 turns ago. The Markets gone, you guys have no gold to move, we have the long push into Mordor to finsh you off. Turn 17 one has even cast a curse, you guys have slaped together a 4 man sickness crew wow. Four huge point scoring Chars. kill once crap commander a turn. If you get them in the same hex. In about 5-6 truns turns the DS will lose just about every PC outside mordor....other then a stray Emy'ed towns or such. You think you can hurt the FP's here by burning, Emy, or threatening a few of our PC's but it really dose not matter in the long run as you have nothing to hold on to them with. Your agent actions are rather lame, soon built FP agents will be able to match....its a slow ride down hill for the DS. Sorry, just how I see it. This is not from any Great play by the FP's mind you its just the way its going to fall...

Dwarf

Thankyou for taking the time to respond, that explains a lot about where the disconnect is.

[Another Darrel]

well - BJ is telling us that this is a hard fought game and AD assumes everybody is bored - can you agree on something? :D

I don't see how those points are mutually exclusive. It's obvious that (some) of your guys aren't enjoying the game and it's now REALLY obvious that some of your teamates aren't even talking to each other nor are they taking the time to glance at what's going on in other sections of the map.

I honestly just want everyone to have an enjoyable game, it's why we are here and I couldn't fathom why you guys were slogging along but it's clear now after the post from your Dwarf player.

I look forward to another 5-10 turns of hard fought gaming. :)

[Brad Jenison]

Well I'm bored....noting really has happend in this game since the EO sacked a few capitals oh about 12 turns ago. The Markets gone, you guys have no gold to move, we have the long push into Mordor to finsh you off. Turn 17 one has even cast a curse, you guys have slaped together a 4 man sickness crew wow. Four huge point scoring Chars. kill once crap commander a turn. If you get them in the same hex. In about 5-6 truns turns the DS will lose just about every PC outside mordor....other then a stray Emy'ed towns or such. You think you can hurt the FP's here by burning, Emy, or threatening a few of our PC's but it really dose not matter in the long run as you have nothing to hold on to them with. Your agent actions are rather lame, soon built FP agents will be able to match....its a slow ride down hill for the DS. Sorry, just how I see it. This is not from any Great play by the FP's mind you its just the way its going to fall...

Dwarf

Don't have a clue do you? I can see why you're bored you never do anything. You do come to the point but let me point out to you that the success of the Eo cost them all their troops and as you say that was 12 turns ago. Crap characters for the Sickness Squad well they're not your characters are they? What is the Cardolani players position on how many commanders he has left, crap or otherwise. You know that Cardolan hires armies for free don't you? That's kind of hard to do when you are out of characters with command skill. Hallas moving into 1513 was purely a move of desperation. You guys have certainly hung him out to dry.

Your prediction about pops outside of Mordor is going to be a hard one to make reality. Hell all but one of mine is outside of Mordor and none apparently are under any threat of attack. The Eothraim will shortly lose their next big army horses are so tastey to dragons you know. Then what? The Eoplex is busy but Uirdiks and Betagavia aren't ready for combat, maybe if you combine Nienor and Artorious' forces you've got something but then again since one of them or both of them could die in the next turn or so that doesn't seem to be much of a threat to us. The Dwarves, your nation, wow what a power. It was pretty easy to walk into your capital and snuff that army. What have YOU done lately.

All we have done the last few turns is kill off the armies of Arthedain and Cardolan put their capitals under character siege, run up a count of crap commanders such as Pelendur and Hallas, Marl Tarma and the list goes on. The capital of Arthedain is rebellious and will have a chance of falling this turn. Any character that you send to either 1513 or 1407 dies immediately, making the naming of characters impossible and limiting your capital orders there, but since that doesn't bother you play on oh clueless one. South Gondor appears to be relocating. Yes they have picked up some Harad real estate but they are losing ground at home. Mordor is intact and with our dragon recruitment program all you do is lose troops at multiples of our loss rate.

So, don't be impressed. We'll play on no problem. Enjoy

Brad

[IronLord]

Brad J,

I just called the game as I saw it and man the truth must hurt. Not really my intent but ok.

Don't talk to me about what people have or have not done, we can’t even till if half your team is active. All that effort in the West you took next to nothing, PC wise and will soon lose everything, wow cardy lost some chars? Big deal, as you gained nothing from them, they will be one and all be built back as his tax base is intact. And you guys are still out in the West plugging away like it matters not seeing that you lost there 7 turns ago and there is nothing that can stop that. Now long ago, you lost everything in Mirkwood other then the DrL hidden PC with nothing gained. Corsair was untouched Haradwaith about to lose it all-giving you 4 homeless nations. The Northman not even scratched and romping in the back of Mordor. North Gondor with the huge bulk of his start characters and PC’s same for the EO and EO-Plex never touched...I don't see what you’re so proud of? The DS just over all gained nothing, gave a good fight yeah but lost/losing the whole map. Even if you take a few FP’s PC here and there its not anything you can hold for more then a turn or two. Some dragons, that’s what you’re holding on to, you guys got some dragons? That’s what’s going to save you…man people are wondering why we are bored?

PS I'd love to see the CL kill total. I'm guessing it’s a sickly low number for turn 17.

But I’m glad you’r having fun :)

“Yawn”

JL-Dwarf Player

[Brad Jenison]

Again clueless. Turn 17 coming up and you have not eliminated a single nation. You predict Harad will be homeless. I will remind you of that prediction say 4 turns from now if you are still playing. Ditski is free to romp all he wants, he's not taking anything or doing anything dangerous to us. I lost everything in Mirkwood with nothing gained? Ho Ho you the Dragon Lord against the Dwarves, Sinda and Woodmen yep I guess you would have done a lot better. Going to be hard to rename Cardolan characters if you cannot stay alive long enough to get to that order. The biggest problem your side has caused in the west was to delay Rhudaur being able to issue capital orders while you bungled the attack on his capital. Interesting that we lost in the west several turns ago yet it is Cardolan and Arthedain who stand to lose capitals in the next turn or so and other pops. Pathetically few armies in the west with a light bulb to identify them. Those that do exist are in contact and don't seem to be much of a threat. I know you Dwarves live in caves but you are sounding more like a mushroom, living in the dark and being fed horse_____. I would challenge you to bring it on stumpy but my allies want us to tone it down.

When game ends we will discuss where we felt you lost it.

Brad

[IronLord]

Brad J,

Last time I played the DrL in power game 16 a few months past. I/DS team owned Mirkwood by turn 15'ish every FP PC other then the Sinda capital was taken including the EO-Plex. So yeah I'd have done a lot better...you did nothing in here it would be near impossable to do worse.

Cheers,
Stumps

[Brad Jenison]

Perhaps your team did better. We did not have taking Mirkwood as one of our objectives. I would have played differently had that been one of the objectives. I accomplished what was requested of me. You see we're playing to beat you not necessarily impress you. There's not much in this game world that you can say to get me upset. As I said I will remind you in a few turns of your bold prediction of the DS not having any population centers outside of Mordor after a few more turns. Since almost all of mine are outside of Mordor I will be most interested in seeing your team accomplish your predictions. As for the March on Mordor, we've been seeing that, dealing with that as well. You step through the threshold but nothing more. Your side is convinced that we teeter on disaster every turn. I wonder that we have survived so long you guys are sooo good. Talk to me again when the major towns of Arthedain and Cardolan have gone about how we lost in the west. I mean you guys took the Rhudaur in a blitzkrieg of only 15 turns. Bold talk Stumpy better stay in your cave and send gold. That seems what you're best at.

[smuller]

So, I hope you will be able to convince Steve that there is no need to get angry about the game.

whichever brad posted this line. nah, im not "flamed out" about the game. been off the boards cause real life is busy, and theres enough of you bad guys trying to extract info ( this is so ed mills thing, i type with respect as the tone.). our side had/continues to have some drama, but you've got 3 land masses trying to work together. lotsa opinion and tactics tossed about, lotsa passionate feelings. me, i'm actually a quiet one on my side. just enjoying the one nation bank(ONB) thread, and the collapsing american housing market has me thinking "american rockies" for sking vacation home.
honestly, if theres no defense vs the ONB tactic, why play? lets put up some bounds, and press right to line. are people that desperate to win? find a spouse and bump pelvic bones, you'll feel much better then mepbm victory..
besides, i'm in 1 game these days, how fired up can you get? i'm gonna load the "Atari classic pack", and relive my pre-teens. read you all on friday, asuuming we don't kill off another of your nations.
and yes brad, we did "off" one of your nations. but i'm more interested in a good game, then a win. it might not be pretty, but the ending is in doubt. please proceed with forecasting our doom.
SM

had to edit "get laid" out, add "bump pelvic bones" the extreme right here in the states would be up in arms. anyway, back to forcasting our doom.

[Brad Jenison]

Steve you post as a statement of fact that you have eliminated a nation. Being on the side with the supposedly eliminated nation I know which nations are still playing and which if any have been eliminated. You are clearly suffering from wishful thinking. You took hostile action of consequence against only two nations last turn. Do you really think you successfully eliminated them or are you fishing? We'll play along this time...oh my god we've lost a nation in only 16 turns. We are doomed. Let's hope the shattered 87percent of the team can some how manage to hang on for another turn or two.

Brad J

[smuller]

Steve you post as a statement of fact that you have eliminated a nation. Being on the side with the supposedly eliminated nation I know which nations are still playing and which if any have been eliminated. You are clearly suffering from wishful thinking. You took hostile action of consequence against only two nations last turn. Do you really think you successfully eliminated them or are you fishing? We'll play along this time...oh my god we've lost a nation in only 16 turns. We are doomed. Let's hope the shattered 87percent of the team can some how manage to hang on for another turn or two.

Brad J

since the ny football giants won a game finally, i'll indulge you. i don't fish. if your team is "shattered"( your word) i'm sad for you. the only one selling drama here is you. i stand by the statement your 1 nation down. enjoy the rest of your weekend, and your week. i'll be away until the next turn, the effort in sparring with you yields no advantage.

SM

[VEO]

We are doomed. Let's hope the shattered 87percent of the team can some how manage to hang on for another turn or two.

Brad J

I also hope you manage a way to hang in there, tough it out, salvage some pride from your pasting. My goal is your fragilized self esteem this game has wrought. I mean you no ill will and only wish you and yours all the best in this and every other endeavor you choose to persue. Hopefully, one day, when your older and big enough, you too will get to win a game. I hope I'm still around and can congratulate you - "Good job! Way to stick with it!".

Beora

[Brad Jenison]

Dear Beora,

Tnanks for the good thoughts. Thankfully I have reached one goal of winning games. We will just try to make this one interesting enough that you and yours don't drop from boredom.

[Another Darrel]

since the ny football giants won a game finally, i'll indulge you. i don't fish. if your team is "shattered"( your word) i'm sad for you. the only one selling drama here is you. i stand by the statement your 1 nation down. enjoy the rest of your weekend, and your week. i'll be away until the next turn, the effort in sparring with you yields no advantage.

SM

Out of curiousity, which nation is knocked out....several of our team members don't post their turns on a regular basis and there are several that are not yet posted up for the group. :confused:

[Another Darrel]

It is good to see the FP all fiesty and in fighting trim.

Although I was surprised by some of the responses, I welcome them and am looking forward to many more turns of fun.

I was seriously worried there for a while that you guys were going to just drop out of collective team misery and that is no fun for anyone.


What is good in life?
To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their Australians :D .

[Another Darrel]

I also hope you manage a way to hang in there, tough it out, salvage some pride from your pasting. My goal is your fragilized self esteem this game has wrought. I mean you no ill will and only wish you and yours all the best in this and every other endeavor you choose to persue. Hopefully, one day, when your older and big enough, you too will get to win a game. I hope I'm still around and can congratulate you - "Good job! Way to stick with it!".

Beora

It wasn't too long ago when you were so flustered by our trolling and other posts that you were ready to stop posting here.....something about begging Ed to make us stop? :D

Is this a signal that you are "thirsty for more" or should we still be nice to you out of fear your head may explode and injure some of the people on your team we actually like? ;)

[VEO]

I've been told that I'm a nuisance and a disruption when I show I care about the game itself, so I've recommitted myself to being a nuisance and disruption in Game 18 instead. Let the program hang itself, I'll take my emotional cloudiness out on you. Besides, I've taken steps outside the game to prevent my descent into binge drinking whenever I hear the voice of Ed in my head.

Beora - much better now...

[VEO]

Great. A compassionate (?) Ed running through my head. "Don't scout for the Cardolani curse squad Brad, run off to the brothel with the kids college money. You'll feeeeel better Brad..."

[Brad Jenison]

Well the finishing touches are just about done on the last turn to run before Christmas. We will try to brighten your gaming spirits with this one. As one of the surviving members of the DS alliance I wish you Free a Merry Christmas.

[Another Darrel]

This turn is brought to you by the letter "A". Enjoy!

http://pbskids.org/sesame/letter/a.html

[smuller]

Out of curiousity, which nation is knocked out....several of our team members don't post their turns on a regular basis and there are several that are not yet posted up for the group. :confused:

its the nation who hasn't reported for a few turns. the one whose "named" character we have doubled, and isn't accepting orders. so, your a genius, your down a nation, or you have rebellious character. thanks for the emmisary boost too. yep, your down a nation. you might be down 2 :rolleyes: , but telling you that would be cheating. i could send you proof:eek: , but my teammates wouldn't like me sending you my turn report.

i never used the cute little icons. but since i'm being cute, what the heck.

SM

[Brad Jenison]

Just stand by your position Steve. It doesn't matter to us how sure you are that we are down a position, maybe even two in fact if you act on that information it will just make our job a bit easier.

As for me; I am waiting to see you eliminate all our population centers outside of Mordor in just a few turns. Could you clarify what you consider as a few turns? Fifteen or twenty sound about right to you? As I said all of mine are outside of Mordor, so that will be impressive indeed. Long Rider too, Witch King, well for that matter Dark Lieutentants, Cloud Lord, oh and yes the Quiet Avenger. I will be most interested to see you eliminate all of those in the next few turns.

I really hope you all will exchange pdfs at the game end. We are willing, it will be fascinating indeed to see how both sides can see the game so completely differently at this point.

I notice Ditski has been missing normally he's quite active posting. Did the Long Rider's but kicking of his fleet cause him to quit? I remember you losing Winstun now Ditski too? Don't those Australians of yours even have the manners to say see yah? Yes, yes we know the position is still in play even if it is harmless. Tell Bernd I really did think the camp was Northmen, did not realize it was Eothraim until I got to it. Hope there's not a ton of stores there about to be lost.

As Darrel says this should be "A" very interesting turn. More after results are in.



Brad J

[Another Darrel]

your a genius

Thankyou. I will attempt to change my avatar for just such an occasion.

P.S. How did you get a look at my parole file?

[Another Darrel]

Just stand by your position Steve. It doesn't matter to us how sure you are that we are down a position, maybe even two in fact if you act on that information it will just make our job a bit easier.

As for me; I am waiting to see you eliminate all our population centers outside of Mordor in just a few turns. Could you clarify what you consider as a few turns? Fifteen or twenty sound about right to you? As I said all of mine are outside of Mordor, so that will be impressive indeed. Long Rider too, Witch King, well for that matter Dark Lieutentants, Cloud Lord, oh and yes the Quiet Avenger. I will be most interested to see you eliminate all of those in the next few turns.

I really hope you all will exchange pdfs at the game end. We are willing, it will be fascinating indeed to see how both sides can see the game so completely differently at this point.

I notice Ditski has been missing normally he's quite active posting. Did the Long Rider's but kicking of his fleet cause him to quit? I remember you losing Winstun now Ditski too? Don't those Australians of yours even have the manners to say see yah? Yes, yes we know the position is still in play even if it is harmless. Tell Bernd I really did think the camp was Northmen, did not realize it was Eothraim until I got to it. Hope there's not a ton of stores there about to be lost.

As Darrel says this should be "A" very interesting turn. More after results are in.



Brad J

Hey Brad, don't look now but I think they knocked out the Easterlings AND killed Kenny!

[VEO]

What..??? I've been sending diplo's to Nation 25 all game - he's gone now?

Beora

[Brad Jenison]

Yep, gone, not even a goodbye, where has the civility gone?

Khamul

[Another Darrel]

Can we ask Clint to move this to a one week game? I'm wondering if you will have any original team members left if this goes on much longer.

I concerned that all the original members that talked smack for the first 12-15 turns of our demise will be gone by the time we finish you off and the new guys will all be upset over the bill of goods they were sold when joining up. :D

[VEO]

Uh-oh...I get so excited when something happens, I'm excited now..!

Beora

[Another Darrel]

Iron Lord,

Congratulations...you have amassed a huge army...and the most you will ever get from it is the camp you are "retaking" from last turn.

However, you do represent 1/3 of the FP icons on my entire map and probably 90% of the troops.

We took arthedains capital this turn and wiped out 4 of their armies and killed a bunch of commanders too. Cardy is probably doing worse as they won't have any commanders here soon.

All starting Arth PC's on my map will be under DS control by turns end...glad to hear we've lost the west. :D

P.S. Bronze at 6? Sweet!

[Another Darrel]

Hmm,
a really quite AD!

AD what happened?

You haven't got Arthedain's cap but you've lost yours!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

Ah yes, one turn later....Carn Dum....my capital....still stands.
Arthedain capital under our control.
Rhuduar attacking northern mirkwood. Surprise!
Only 3 FP icons on my entire map what a joke.
Cardy has how many commanders? Aethlen, Imlach & Pilates are walking dead.
Going to take Bree this turn and much much more.

What happened?

Have Fun? Yes I am. Please don't drop.

[Gixxer]

Greetings AD,
a really good turn for the DS, I guess!?

There's not much to comment besides the one thing that we're not playing our game.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Brad Jenison]

More trouble in the ranks Gixx?

Brad

[Gixxer]

A little bit more than before.

[VEO]

It wasn't even me..! I'm quiet and innocent...

Beora

[Brad Jenison]

Well I know we hit you pretty good this turn. All but one assassination was a success. The emissaries were successful everywhere, and your Noldo team was not quite up to the task. I that Northman army coming for me. If Ditski is still around tell him I will spank him even worse than I have so far.

Brad J

[Another Darrel]

All that effort in the West you took next to nothing, PC wise and will soon lose everything, wow cardy lost some chars? Big deal, as you gained nothing from them, they will be one and all be built back as his tax base is intact. And you guys are still out in the West plugging away like it matters not seeing that you lost there 7 turns ago and there is nothing that can stop that.

I'm not sure you fully grasp what strategy we employed in the west....maybe now it's clearer.

In short, why peck away at nations and not be able to hold what you take? We took a long term view and let our coils envelope the pig. The pig seems to be struggling a lot less now....time for the feast.

P.S. Tell us what specific dragon you want to crush your huge dwarf army and we'll try to accomodate. Just don't pick culgor....he has a date with Morwen.

Oh yeah, and threatening is SOOooooo much easier when you have all these nice command artifacts. Thanks!

[mgrazebrook]

The citizens of Edhellond are pleased to announce a liberation party. We throw open the gates of our city to our new lord Gothmog. We cast away the scales from our eyes and renounce our racist elvish snobbery - all races, whether goblin or dragon, are equally welcome in our new liberal democracy.

[Mormegil]

I'm not sure you fully grasp what strategy we employed in the west....maybe now it's clearer.

Yes thank you! You are taking pop centers in the north while you abandon the south, because winter is coming and the production... wait... sorry I lost you there... :rolleyes:

[Brad Jenison]

Oh please now Bernd,

You lost eleven characters this turn among them Ministir, Argeleb, Marl Tarma, Hallas, well you know the list looks kind of like who's who in Arthedain and South Gondor. You lost a city in the North, that city happens to be the capital of Arthedain. You will probably be losing both the capital and back up capitals of Cardolan this turn. The back up and probably now the capital of Arthedain is targeted as well. Sure you can keep them in the game by giving them say a Dwarven and Noldo major town, but that weakens the Dwarves and Noldo doesn't it.

In the South sure you destroyed another population center. Not very smart because that my friend does not hurt our loyalties like having a population center captured does. However we took yet another one of your pops intact more than a better trade, since you got nothing but the loss of a commander and his army from the deal while we got a town to offset the loss of a town.

How long can you stand to lose population center tax base at the rate you are plus the loss of nearly a nations worth of characters each turn? I think the answer is not very long. So you can play Baghdad Bob all you want but the end for you is approaching.

Brad J

[Brad Jenison]

For the readership no spin or propaganda;

Deaths this turn

Free Dark Servants

Aliuric original 30 pt commander None
Dunsul original 50 pt commander
Hallas original 40 cdr 10 agent
Vagaig original 40 pt commander
Alandur original 40 pt commander
Argeleb original 50 pt commander
Marl Tarma original 40 pt commander
Minastir
Haleth
Hatheldir

Population centers
Free lost one City and one Major town one by Threat one by InfOthr both captured intact and adding to revenue base.
DS had a town burned by the Free. Not keeping track of camps and such.

Gold thefts
Free lost 15326 from the Noldo and 6000 from South Gondor in return the stole around 6000 from total thefts so DS up by about 15,000 for the turn.

This was indeed a lopsided turn. If the Free can counter that with real information and not just braggadocio they are invited to do so.

Bernd and Iron Lord we tire of you telling us what you are going to do to us try telling us and the readers what you have actually accomplished.


Brad

[Another Darrel]

Yes thank you! You are taking pop centers in the north while you abandon the south, because winter is coming and the production... wait... sorry I lost you there... :rolleyes:

You are thanking us for taking a city that produces >3k gold off your hands as well as having 7400 leather in stores and on top of that we stole 13k gold as you try to upgrade and hire?

You are MOST welcome. I look forward to seeing what you leave me at Bree.

Seriously, you have played an excellent game and are a fine player, I'm sure that despite your post above you know how much trouble you are in.

[Brad Jenison]

Yes Darrel you see that City is in the north and winter is coming, so its loss is not as bad as if we took it in the summer. Bernd is just like Bob, "there are no DS forces at Argeleb International Airport we have them completely surrounded." He points out we are abandoning the south. I guess he forgot about Edellhond, it is in the south isn't it? Come to think of it that population center was bigger than the one we lost. Taking Edellhond didn't cost us any troops or characters either. No matter Gixx is having a bit more unrest in the ranks these days. It does appear that his team is being schooled by a team that demonstrates substandard play. Bernd, you lost more troops this turn, you lost way more characters this turn, you lost twice as many population center levels this turn, you lost twice as much gold in thefts this turn than you stole, and wow you lost quite a bit of tax base this turn that goes directly to us thank you very much. I can see that the Free still have fight in them, I hope that it is not just out of stubborness that a few more turns of such abuse will show to them that the game is lost.

Brad J

[VEO]

Abuse. Bah! You guys are therapy for what we do to ourselves...bring it on, a little to the left...ahhhhhhhhh....

Beora

[Brad Jenison]

Back from Hong Kong and feeling better I see. Glad to provide the therapeutic assistance.

Brad

[Mormegil]

So you can play Baghdad Bob all you want

you should be careful with your comparisons - then who are you, Donald Rumsfeld? Told the truth, won the war, did he?
This is still a game, calm down, be patient and all will be fine ;)

[Brad Jenison]

Bernd,

We're all about patience, that's why we are currently killing your characters off at such a clip. Cardolan is just about out of Command skill characters and Imlach and Aethelan should join their illustrious dead. That leaves them what one? Kind of hard to name any new characters let alone commanders when you have no one at your capital to do so. Impossible to utilize hire armies for free when you have no commanders. Again we are so patient that we allow Cardolan to stumble along on life support from the rest of you. Then we look at Arthedain; here's a nation that is pretty low on commanders as well and has just lost their capital with Bree about to go next. Will be in need of another Major Town in the next turn or so. Had you Threatened instead of burned last turn a good emissary might have been able to upgrade the pop in Harad. Instead we allow you to continue and weaken your healthy nations by reducing their tax base to support the failed nations in the west. It is a slower death for your side but still death. We took a city a major town and a town all intact which strengthens our side while all you managed was to burn a town. How stands Southern Gondor. One after another the Dark Lts have taken population centers, their loss may be partially offset by the reduced maintenance costs of the characters you have lost there to our agents, but that is a sad way to balance your books.

Actually it's no longer a game. We are toying with you guys now much as a cat toys with a mouse. Players on your team realize that you guys are finished, it is just a question of how long the decline to the end goes on. We'll be there because after all we're the ones having fun, while you guys are just being abused. Nothing more to be said about the last turn, a disaster for Gondor, Cardolan and Arthedain end of story. I'll sign off now until the results are in from next turn.

Brad J

[Mormegil]

Brad J,

this is almost like a funny pavlovian reflex: I drop a line, you unload a ton of redundant info that nobody is interested in or impressed with. do you think you need to convince "the audience" that you are good player(s)? just let things play out, pretty please...:)

[Another Darrel]

Morm, we've been ripped & insulted for most of this thread. Told how badly we're being beaten, how bad we've played and when we dared suggest that we were doing some good things as recently as even last turn we were told we were delusional, already beaten, substandard etc.

Now it's payback...and I'm enjoying watching you set a new record for how quickly a "healthy nation" can go down the tubes. Hmmmm....since our play is substandard and arthedain was doing great a couple turns ago....I wonder what changed?

(Oh snap! Did I just say that out loud?)

[Brad Jenison]

Bernd it is psychological warfare, obviously getting under your skin. Just remember every time you want to try and spin how bad you are hurting us in Harad we/I am going to point out to you the indisputable truth of how bad you are getting beaten. Truth hurts does it. Try this one. Gixx posted we were down a nation probably two. Did you have factual proof or was that just wishful thinking? Well we know the truth and know we have not and in fact do not lose nations on this team. We don't make claims we cannot substantiate, we do know in fact what the loyalties are at the population centers targeted in Cardolan. We know the names of the three commanders Cardolan has in the field, we can count the dead and know the stable is pretty empty for Cardolan. What have you done to help them? We have been amazed at your inactivity in the west just amazed. The one area in which you should have had great success and you have allowed us to dictate what happens. Yet it was you who called our play substandard. No I am going to annoy you guys from now until the end of the game. We have out developed you character wise, we have killed most of the best characters of Arthedain, Cardolan, South Gondor and we are now trying to decide on where to abuse you some more. Your side makes small of the effect of characters lost, we know your character base is inferior to ours. You lost the artifact hunt. You have paid for that over the last 5 or 6 turns. We steal enough gold off you to fund the deficits of several nations so we are at break even, then we manipulate the market every turn and you do nothing. Your side is being taken to school and you know it. So hang in there next turn I will have more to heap onto you. Not Pavlovian I didn't react to you. I just am calling you out, try to present some facts to support your positions maybe then you won't be made to look so foolish.

[VEO]

Facts to support positions..??? Geez, you guys are dinosaurs, no? Who ever needs facts to support positions??? And you also write way too long..! We slip with quick, witty hits, catchy sound-bite quality stuff. You boringly drone on and on and on and on detailing your "facts" to "support your positions"....

Beora

[Stuart]

Facts to support positions..??? Geez, you guys are dinosaurs, no? Who ever needs facts to support positions??? And you also write way too long..! We slip with quick, witty hits, catchy sound-bite quality stuff. You boringly drone on and on and on and on detailing your "facts" to "support your positions"....

Beora

Well all that wit might win you a few feeble snickers but it wont win you the war :p

[thuiatt]

Nothing like good old trash talk on the forum.

I greatly look forward to which side will be the ultimate victor in this game.

Keep up the talk. I for one am enjoying it.

Tim

[VEO]

Well then, let's look forward to a very merry Christmas then...I expect the DS to concede any moment now, we should hear the official version by Friday.

Beora Claus

[Another Darrel]

Well then, let's look forward to a very merry Christmas then...I expect the DS to concede any moment now, we should hear the official version by Friday.

Beora Claus

Per your request...fewer words, shorter posts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ3mXY3Btmw

[VEO]

It's official! AD spends too much time on the internet!

Beora Personal Development Systems

[Another Darrel]

It's official! AD spends too much time on the internet!

Beora Personal Development Systems

I'm just trying to get in my licks before you guys drop.
The Rhu player and I had lunch today and we are wondering just how obtuse members of your team had to be...well the iron lord thinks you've won the west so the sky's the limit with that guy.

Thankyou for still talking to us Veo...I'm still up for swapping turns after game if you are. I was going to invade you but there is just too much open space to the west of me....but feel free to visit if you like.

[VEO]

You're anal, we're obtuse. Sigh. Name slinging and mud callling, you guys should join our yahoogroup and learn how to do it for real.

Beora

[Another Darrel]

You're anal, we're obtuse. Sigh. Name slinging and mud callling, you guys should join our yahoogroup and learn how to do it for real.

Beora

We've gotten along quite well in the other threads so after this game ends let's just all move on. I know your team has not enjoyed the game and the in-fighting has definitely spilled over into this forum.

I intend to go over there for a face to face in the next year or two and I'll buy anyone that was on your team at the end a beer. Although I may become suspicious if everyone at the face to face turns out to have been on your team. ;)

Happy holidays!

[VEO]

Actually, I was being friendly... :)

[Pfendi]

Happy X-Mas and a fantasatic New Year.

Good luck for all everyone (except for in game luck of my opponents).

Cheers,

Pfendi / FK game 18 and enjoying it

[Stuart]

We've gotten along quite well in the other threads so after this game ends let's just all move on. I know your team has not enjoyed the game and the in-fighting has definitely spilled over into this forum.

I intend to go over there for a face to face in the next year or two and I'll buy anyone that was on your team at the end a beer. Although I may become suspicious if everyone at the face to face turns out to have been on your team. ;)

Happy holidays!

Hey Darrel. If you are ever over in Scotland will you buy me a beer too ?

[Another Darrel]

Hey Darrel. If you are ever over in Scotland will you buy me a beer too ?

Of course! Although if I'm buying our opponents a beer....I should buy you at least a dozen! :)

[VEO]

Gentlemen,

The DS played a patient game. They successfully survived (much thanks to Sauron destroying 4000 NG HI on an undefended FK capital early on....) our destruction of Morannon and Durthang early. We weren't able to capably follow up these initial attacks. Our North West offensive was a day late and a dollar short. While currently, the Haradwaith are significantly reduced (1 MT and 2 towns?) from their starting pops, the DS are finally showing their character muscle. Kills and Emissaries actually working together, our inability to make significant inroads at the back of Mordor, etc.

This was a very interesting game from a "pieces on the board" perspective. Other perspectives, not so much. Gixxxer our TC will be making the arrangements via MEGames to officially pronounce this one dead.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays (whatever that may be) and an excellent New Year.

X-Beora

[Mormegil]

I apologize to the DS that we have to concede this game and could not play up to our potential.
To stay in the elevator-metaphor, the story goes like this:
the FP have been storming up the stairs right from the word go, while the DS stood in front of the elevator panel fumbling with the buttons. But alas, on the third floor the FP slipped on the much feared "banana skin of in-team-conflict", AKA "the clash of egos". they tried to scramble to their feet, limped on a few steps, but then they heard the elevator rushing past. a sprint would have evened that out, but some of the FP thought their ankle was broken. so, before they even heard the elevator go *bing*, they called the race off.

Kudos to the DS to stay in a game which must have been an economic tightrope walk for most of the time. I was confident that we were quite close to taking out DrgL, IK and Harad, but I can't say if that would have been enough to turn the tide. Probably not.

Fact is that the FP have been absolutely no match in the per se lopsided character war, because even the assets we had were underdeveloped.

Note that all this represents just my personal opinion, I took over EO on t 11 and I guess I did not have that much impact, but I was ready to stick to it - at least I would have liked to destroy the IK backup coming turn and see the DrgL lose his capital ;)

Best x-mas and new years wishes to allies and opponents alike, CU on the battlefield.

PS
Brad J: don't go too much into this "psychological warfare" stuff, that makes you look like a ...- no, let's just say it's very uncool ;)

[Another Darrel]

Good game.

Frankly, I think our economics are in a lot better shape than you think. We've been doing successful buyouts every turn and a lot of the PC's we're picking up help quite a bit.

I HIGHLY doubt you would knock any nation out....unless we made some sort of big mistake.

I was most impressed by your teams early use of combined command artifacts to threaten Gunderbad and Goblin Gate....well done. Arthedain did a nice job start to finish in projecting force....some of the other theaters I paid less attention to so I have no comment.

I think the west was going *much* worse than your team realizes. Once I get the official decree I can say more on that but suffice to say that I think another 5 turns would see us in control of most things west of the misties

Sauron was indeed a big coup. In the west we had multiple encounters with eagles and Galadriel that cost us but not quite as critically.

[Pfendi]

Yes, I belief you did underestimate some of the DS nation as some of our actins were hidden from your side, we started early on in a compleatly different direction.

Maybe we should exchange files, you can definitly have mine after it is official.

Cheers,

Martin FK and quite unhappy that you didn´t wait two more turns

[VEO]

I've offered to exchange files before, but I have very little interest in those of a single nation. If anyone has the ability to forward an entire turn's worth of files in a single zip for example, we can make an exchange. I'll happily forward 17 unique zip files for this game if reciprocated.

X-Beora

[Brad Jenison]

Bernd,

As you said you entered the game in turn 11 so your experience was limited. The Free came on hard from the beginning. Yes Sauron aided us greatly as Brad B has said. Even if Barad Ungol had fallen however we would have had troops on it at turn end and in sufficient numbers to destroy any Gondor commanders and their troops who survived the attack, and then again there were the agents who were there as well. What we have discussed as the last real opportunity for your team came in turn 4 when the Eothraim for what ever reason reversed marched back out of the Northgate. After that although several attempts were made by the Free to break through on that front all were destroyed by a combination of dragons and agents in conjunction with a series of blocking armies. Had the Eothraim pushed on we would have been stretched indeed, as it was we were able to destroy in detail the Gondors big push then turn our attentions via agents on the Eothraim. We never perceived a serious threat in any other assault mounted at the North or West approaches to Mordor.

There were several posts made by members on your side that reinforced to us that our plans were working. One was Gixx'x post about sending armies outside Mordor. We had no reason to send troops from Mordor to any other front. Sending such troops as were maintained in Mordor would have made blocking and fixing your invading forces that much more complicated. We forced you to come to us and be destroyed. Another was the post about the Blind Sorcerer army and its wherabouts. The mere fact that we could hold it in reserve all that time indicates that our faith in our defenses in the North and West were well justified and that your intelligence gathering was less than what you needed to win. When your attacks came in through the Western approaches those forces so laboriously put together and marched were quickly dealt with by the starting Blind Sorcerer army, the Dragon Lord capital army and armies from the Dark Lts and Dog Lord that were the Mordor fire brigade. By using interior lines we could always place enough troops to get the job done it was much easier for us than you seem to realize.

On the financial side of the game. No, I'm sorry you were suffering from misinterpretation as well. Ed has already posted, no nation was under financial distress. Yes some had substantial deficits, but thanks to Mike Grazebrooks management of market buyouts each nation had sufficient reserves of materials to sell at a profit to provide at least two turns worth of expenses. Your side did nothing material to derail our program. I know that the Noldo bought Bronze probably by out bidding us, but his amount bought did cancel some of the product we bought it did not block us from profititing hugely from the Buyout. In my case I bought 1800+ units of the 4000 ordered but since I had 4000 in stores and the sell price went to 7 I was going to make a huge profit since my net asset cost was less than 1. This team is a selfless team so transfers happened with plenty of time to keep everyone off the financial tightrope. This may explain why you guys were so convinced that we were in trouble when actually we were not. Had you all followed the lead of the Noldo you might have caused some real problems for us financially in a couple of turns.

We also knew that you're assessment of the weakness or elimination of our nations was very far from the mark. This indicated that you had no real information and were basing your assumptions on hope rather than facts. When Gixxer posted that we were down 1 nation and maybe 2 it caused us almost as much amusement as when the Eothraim archers committed suicide at the Rhudaur capital. No nation was close to being eliminated at that point and for you guys to insist that was the case indicated that you were completely in the dark (excuse the pun). We even spent some time trying to figure out from the turn reports which nations you could have thought were eliminated. We however saw that there were items of information in our pdfs such as battle reports, challenges issued by DS commanders, army reports and rumours that should have told you all nations were active. We understand that your reports may not have had all the different items of information we can see on ours but enough of it was transparent that we could not see how you could make so certain a claim. As it was it was completely wrong. Even Harad which you were pummeling pretty well at game end was not close to collapse and had plenty of good emissaries waiting take possession of real estate in South Gondor and the West.

Speaking of the West. Why did your team leave Cardolan and Arthedain twisting in the wind? In all those turns not one agent seems to have come back to try and counter our agent/emissary/dragon army offensive. We ScoChar at both capitals every turn. Killing whoever was there before they could issue any orders. At the same time we killed command characters off in the field with their armies. It was not hard for us to keep track of the characters with command skill we had identified and watch that list dwindle. Then you throw in the emissaries who with slow and steady erosion of loyalty took the capital of Arthedain even when Arthedain dropped their tax rate to zero to get the loyalty boost, a move that probably cost a commander to do so. This turn four emissaries were on 1614, seven on 1513 no Cardolan commanders present so we feel that one or both of those would have been taken, again intact to add to our tax base and lessen the amount of deficit. Add to that the fact that without a capital command order thousands of units of leather were taken at the Arthedain pops. Can you guys guess what commodity or commodities would be bought out this turn with the profits from last turn's bronze buyout?
We know the situation was desperate for both Arthedain and Cardolan. Imlach and Aethelan would both have had assassination attempts on them this turn. That leaves as far as we can tell Pilates and her pitiful 200 troops in Mirkwood. A simple tracking of Pilates for a few turns should have told us where the new capital of Cardolan had been created. Morwen the lucky was also selected for assassination. So if you look at the west even if neither of these nations was eliminated this coming turn their ability to contribute to the military game your side chose to play would have been effectively eliminated. We know the situation was dire for Arthedain because two of its emissaries showed up at my capital this turn, along with a Northman emissary. Bad timing as they can do nothing but give away your plans to have the Northman army threaten my capital after Gildor and Dudannis killed all the characters in the army and the Northman finished their approach march. Unfortunately for you two assassins can only kill two command characters per turn. Not enough in this case and that assumes the Noldo and Northmen are willing to sit and become agent targets themselves next turn. If not they can't refuse challenge and at least one of them dies this turn. If they are, well there is that Dragon Lord ability to Teleport and oh yes the Blind Sorcerer Sickness Squad that struck at Minas Arnor this turn. That and several agents who can bring their daggers to bear next turn. So what happens? Well this turn either one of your agents dies and the other assassinates Al Jeebra. Command is then assumed by Urgubal. So your army has to move on to my capital this turn exposing your commander to attack. You can't threaten because the army is there. You can't afford to capture the pop because that would reduce its size. Your Northman emissary who foolishly exposed himself a turn early gets killed by Spirit Mastery so no transfer sorry Arthedain. Agents do their work on your surviving agent and the army commander. What Tha shakes his head and leaves and Arthedain still needs a new capital. Hopefully Arthedain still has an emissary left to receive one.

It is all bad news for your side. Southern Gondor losts some valuable characters and yet another Major Town this turn and nothing is in place to stop that assault. You have moved an army to block me but I have a dragon so that will fail. Assassins are going to be on the Noldo capital this turn with a Sickness Squad and a scout, and a scry. Agents are on the Noldo pops now with intelligence gathering on what stores to sabotage. Cardolan probably loses two pops, Arthedain another. We feel your attack at Barad Paras will fail. The only good news is many of our agents killed all their targets and we need a turn to focus their strength. Next turn it would be back to work though.

Overkill here, yes certainly; however your post indicates that you guys still were putting it to us and wearing us down. The truth is that we were gaining strength character wise, economically, by population centers levels and by a superiority in both character numbers and quality of characters that you could not hope to match. What is true is that you guys were defiant and full of fight to the end and we salute you for that. The game was lost to you guys however and yes you were beaten, whether by combinations of your own failures to meld into an effective team, luck on our part with Sauron, or whatever you guys were beaten.

Respect to the Free Players and best of luck in your future games.

Brad Jenison

[Another Darrel]

I would like to take the time to thank Gixxer and the rest of you for continuing to play after the mid-game issues. It's nice not to have a game end that way and I appreciate the time and effort you guys put forth instead of just abandoning the game.

It appears that we will not be sharing turns given that I cannot provide Ed's information. If anyone wants to discuss further or ask questions about what happened here or there or why did we or didn't do "X" drop me a note.

That was my first time playing the WK and for the most part I'm pleased although there are a couple things I'd definitely do different\better next time. My emmissary development, failure to upgrade Carn Dum to a city and early dragon recruitment were all below average.

I'm not sure if stripping the fortifications off of 2004 & 2006 were a bad move or not....it helped financially and frankly I never lost them but for an orders error. My deficits were REALLY bad as I had transfered 2006 to Rhudaur a long time ago.

[Stuart]

I tried to buy Stuart a beer once, but he had to show a good example. He did accept lunch, however.

And a very fine lunch it was too (a good Scotsman NEVER turns down a free lunch). And I would certainly have enjoyed the beer had I not been driving and had my daughter with me.

Perhaps one day I'll manage to cross the pond and reciprocate.

Cheers
Stuart

[Mormegil]

Brad,

your eagerness is adorable, I can see it seeping through every pore. Half of that spirit would have made our team unstoppable ;)

FTR we had three assassins at 3822. They were all we had, but they were there. But I guess you had a safe backup somewhere we wouldn't expect, right? It's a shame we can't look at your files and enlighten ourselves about how bad we did underestimate you. Still, Ed seems to be afraid enough of us to hide his tactical genius. I am tempted to call that ridiculous, but then I am gentleman enough to respect that ungentlemanly behaviour ;)

Uh, this horse is finally dead now - I admit I had a fair share in flogging it. I'll leave the last words on this to somebody else, but if you see the need of reminding us that we were beaten, please look up "subtlety" in the dictionary first ;)

Good luck in all your ventures!

[Pfendi]

Why would he need a back up? Do you mean back up commander for his army or a back up MT?

I ask because I don´t understand, assassins kill after emmies influence, so you 3 or 4 emmies won´t do anything this turn.

Sorry for my appearant ignorance, but our emmies are backed by armies with dragons and curse squads.

Or they go in one turn after we kill the army commanders.

Cheers,

Martin the confused

[Stuart]

Bernd

Destroying Barad Perras ? Possibly but it would be a lot closer than you might think. My army might be little but 80% of it is armoured heavy cavalry and both Abdahkil and Khathog were backing it up with combat magics. I was expecting you to take out the army and bring the NGo up from Lag-scara to go for the threat. Though my killers would have taken a heavy toll if you did.

Until a couple of turns ago the Ice King was a doner nation - with a deficit well under 5000. Our buyout success meant I was more often shipping product rather than receiving it. Puting 4000 troops in the field swelled my deficit and your combined army/emissary actions against my camps was beginning to bite though I was still comfortable. Sent the troops the wrong way too in a team spirited attempt to take Osgiliath ! Hukor at least could have blocked you north of Lag-scara.

Three killers then ? Same as the Ice King alone, though it helped that Gaurhir got my starting stealth bonus, and I have a couple more just a couple of steals short of snuffing easier targets. And I think that showed. By close of play we outnumbered you five or six to one there. It seems a telling statistic that I am one character short of full muster and didn't lose a single one all game.

Best of luck against all opponents 'cept us.

Cheers
Stuart

[Brad Jenison]

Bernd it would not have been enough. Yes there were secure backups. Three agents all killers would not have been enough. I realize that you are trying to get a rise out of me. Let's try this for subtle. It's over. We don't need to convince anyone how good we were in this game. The fact that you are conceding defeat says it all. As I posted earlier to one of your players we didn't enter the game to impress you guys only to win and we have done that. It was my mission in this game to needle you and be an annoyance, to keep a preseence in Mirkwood and pick at you occassionally just as a distraction. That mission was accomplished. No, I didn't conquer Mirkwood all by myself, but what reasonable player would expect that to happen? There have been postings from your team about Subpar play, in fact that was yours I think. That posting was not aimed at me but at the whole Team Simpson team. There have been postings that when one of your players once played the Dragon Lord his team conquered all of Mirkwood as an indication of how weak our team and my play in particular has been. All that is fine and good. Had that been part of our plan I am sure we could probably have managed it. As it was we had different priorities and I think it is the mark of success on how those priorities were met that comprise the final evaluation of success. Our priority was to win. we have won. Our next priority was to lose no nations, we have lost no nations. That was it. That sounds like a successful plan to me, maybe others such as yourself see it differently. I could run the numbers by you again but that was part of the rub it in your faces mission in the annoy portfolio.

Ed does not like to exchange pdf files because of operational security. His belief is that exchanging files gives you access to how we think, plan and execute our plans. Giving that information away might make you better opposition next time around. As you know paths cross often in this game. Ed would prefer you to figure things out for yourself and I tend to agree with him on that matter. No it is not a fear motivated thing. I believe I posted earlier that you really did have us concerned around turn 4 but after the destruction of the original Gondor invasion force we never felt that we were on the losing end of the game. Individual turns perhaps but we always felt that the game would end favorably for us. Now I realize you were not present in the game at that time but by the time you joined we felt momentum was on our side and would not slip away.

No need to sling mud now Bernd, that was for when the game was in progress. From what you say that is in the past now. Good luck to you and your team members in the past and I hope you have a happy holiday season.

Brad J

[VEO]

Bah. I was the One True King of Greenwood! Blather all you want about "operational security" and "role playing". Long Live the King!

Beora

[Another Darrel]

Veo, out of curiosity....why did you guys decide to stop this turn?

Was it the realization that nations weren't out combined with the sudden reversal in the west? Something else? Just curious and thanks for even bothering to talk to us....unlike some of your teamates that talked a lot of smack and haven't even offered a "good game".

[smuller]

somebody called a vote, listed the reasons for the vote, and a vote was taken. the result was to end the game. lets put this baby to bed, cause nothing good can come from any further discussion. ( to paraphrase mr mills).
well played evil side, and adios.

SM

[VEO]

AD - the pieces on the board were the straw that broke the camels back. The attitudes of my allies reflect that relatively speaking, it was exactly that, a mere straw on the back of a strong, but severly tested throughout, camel.

[Brad Jenison]

God bless us everyone

[Halex13]

Just a question for the ex-Noldo; Were you using your characters for bait????

[Another Darrel]

somebody called a vote, listed the reasons for the vote, and a vote was taken. the result was to end the game. lets put this baby to bed, cause nothing good can come from any further discussion. ( to paraphrase mr mills).
well played evil side, and adios.

SM

I am trying to figure out what had occurred and get some closure to the game.

Since there is no exchange of turns, I don't know exactly how badly (or not) the west was about to collapse due to our planning. (ie. Does cardolan have 3 commanders somewhere that we didn't know about? Are the Noldo preparing a counter-invasion...off map MT's blah blah blah) This was my 5th game of Middle Earth so please understand that I don't have even a fraction of the games under my belt that some of the people in this game have so trying to improve is my primary motivator.

I've made several complimentary remarks about some of the better FP moves I was exposed to so I'm not trying to rub salt in wounds. My expression after Losing Mt. Gunderbad to threat early on would no doubt have made the woodmens laugh for a week.... :D

[VEO]

Yes, Gundabad was a little frustrating wasn't it Witchie..! :D

You guys had the West pretty much summed up. Out of respect for Mullers wise position of "move on", I'll resist commenting further. Consider the possibility that the FP opposition in this reflects unrealistically poorly on many of it's members abilities.

All the best.

[Another Darrel]

Yes, Gundabad was a little frustrating wasn't it Witchie..! :D

You guys had the West pretty much summed up. Out of respect for Mullers wise position of "move on", I'll resist commenting further. Consider the possibility that the FP opposition in this reflects unrealistically poorly on many of it's members abilities.

All the best.

Thankyou and I agree....I wasn't looking for dirt, just general confirmation of what I was 90% certain of. I'm well aware of what was and wasn't done in the west and I've taken the high road of complimenting your better moves.

Besides, no one ever plays a perfect game...so even a successful position could be criticized to some degree.

Gunderbad had 65 loyalty when you threatened it. :)

[VEO]

And I had 130 or so command. And then a turn after you guys finally took all those toys off of me a brand new Dragon Lord icon appears in the middle of Mirkwood within marching distance of numerous undefended pops. Thus the sudden smattering of FP icons, a couple Woodies, Sinda from their city, even Northmen came over. That icon and the threat of those command toys moving down to the Sinda/Woodie pops was a real pain and put my nation at least a few turns back in hiring new armies off map (QA capital targetted....) and splitting out various cav armies to burn Misty camps (ie, what's now on Gundabad again...).

It was somewhat typical of FP organization at that point when one considers that there was a Dwarf army from the Iron Hills guarding Eo pops, Woodmen guarding Sinda pops while the Sinda create then disband an army the whole while, Eothraim army guarding the Dwarf Iron Hills pops, and a Northmen force wandering somewhat aimlessly over until he just decided to kill himself on Lug G - and at some point during the existence of all these armies, they all actually had to cross over each others path to get to where the other was previously - it was, how shall I say, a reflection of the left hand not even knowing there *was* a right hand...

[Another Darrel]

And I had 130 or so command. And then a turn after you guys finally took all those toys off of me a brand new Dragon Lord icon appears in the middle of Mirkwood within marching distance of numerous undefended pops. Thus the sudden smattering of FP icons, a couple Woodies, Sinda from their city, even Northmen came over. That icon and the threat of those command toys moving down to the Sinda/Woodie pops was a real pain and put my nation at least a few turns back in hiring new armies off map (QA capital targetted....) and splitting out various cav armies to burn Misty camps (ie, what's now on Gundabad again...).

It was somewhat typical of FP organization at that point when one considers that there was a Dwarf army from the Iron Hills guarding Eo pops, Woodmen guarding Sinda pops while the Sinda create then disband an army the whole while, Eothraim army guarding the Dwarf Iron Hills pops, and a Northmen force wandering somewhat aimlessly over until he just decided to kill himself on Lug G - and at some point during the existence of all these armies, they all actually had to cross over each others path to get to where the other was previously - it was, how shall I say, a reflection of the left hand not even knowing there *was* a right hand...

Ah...that makes sense.

The arthedain command arties were at MT. Gunderbad this turn again! lol.
I had an A42 feeding one of them to Leucaruth there. :-)

I had the dwarf arties on one of my warlords moving to threaten western PC's.

[Winsten Wun Toof]

testing - are you there Winsten?

QUOTE=Brad JenisonWinnie don't get so riled up.

*I'm not getting riled up. I'm just considering what I should do with your head when you're finished with it. I think a garage. Seems such a waste of a room with an unimpeded view though :)

*Otherwise - I'll give you this, you're making me take alot more interest in what's going on with the rest of our map.

Winsten Wun Toof

We consider the outlying DS nations to be at greatest risk so to us the fact that you have not eliminated us is to us a victory. Never mind the fact that you haven't even hurt us. So yes to us we have won against the Duns.

As for you not being able to speak with me because I won't be there. I think you've got it turned around. I doubt that you will get into Mordor so you are right you won't be able to speak to me when you are in Mordor. Oh, I'll still be around of course but you won't be in Mordor. Just on the outside looking in as you are now.

Still, I am glad you're having such a good time.

Brad[/QUOTE]

[Winsten Wun Toof]

try that again

[ruggha]

rob - try nothing again. i read a bit on this for memory's sake, i still love my foster's story on page 1 or 2, but i dearly suspect this is the 14,000 Eo archers vs Rhudaur game, as such, WHY, or WHY would you want to dredge THAT up from the misty mirky morass..???? ah well, we all gotta be famous for something, yes? most of the players in this one are still around and, yes, still get the odd opportunity to raise a glass and salute the debacle as it deserves...

[Winsten Wun Toof]

:) I was just messing with my profile. I mean - it's such an unfeasibly pretty profile, but I think it scares off the natives :D
I was supposed to be messing on the quiet and then all of a sudden it pops up there on the boards prouder than a honeymooners aah big fish story and there you go.
I read all those mails and had a laughing fit. where are the days of quality forum humour gone? :D Can they come back again? Why are there pockets in undies?
Cheers - Rob aka Winsten wun toof

[Gixxer]

:) I was just messing with my profile. I mean - it's such an unfeasibly pretty profile, but I think it scares off the natives :D
I was supposed to be messing on the quiet and then all of a sudden it pops up there on the boards prouder than a honeymooners aah big fish story and there you go.
I read all those mails and had a laughing fit. where are the days of quality forum humour gone? :D Can they come back again? Why are there pockets in undies?
Cheers - Rob aka Winsten wun toof

What a surprise!

Rob, the "man-of-quality-forum-humour" is back?

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Winsten Wun Toof]

Yes I am:) I've bottled up the king for 3 long years and he's eager to be free, wreaking girlie squealin' terror on all the other naughty forum monkeys :D

Winsten wun toof

[Gixxer]

Yes I am:) I've bottled up the king for 3 long years and he's eager to be free, wreaking girlie squealin' terror on all the other naughty forum monkeys :D

Winsten wun toof

... the age of changing babies is over now!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Winsten Wun Toof]

... the age of changing babies is over now!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

Bugger that for a sad sack of soldiers, I mean baby cack and this complexion? ooooh I'd sooner die! The king says a few magic words, waves his nana of power, and then lets misses King take over the whole process :D

I did stay home with the kids the year we were in Engerlund, but apparently they went feral under my tutelage. Mrs King said I'm never allowed to be in control of the kids education again :) In fact she said I'm never allowed to stop work again either until 10 days after I die. I'm not sure when that will be but I'm looking forward to the break :D

BTW did you know that I have 4 now? (No not nana's - 4 kids :D

Cheers

Winsten wun fing

[Gixxer]

BTW did you know that I have 4 now? (No not nana's - 4 kids :D

Cheers

Winsten wun fing

Yes, I know that the tribe of the Toofs now counts 6 members!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Winsten Wun Toof]

*Hi there Brad. I was wondering if you were still around (Keith put you in). He also let me know you have 2 alter egos. From today forth you shall be known as 2Brads, which is better than ArfaBrad, and a hell of alot better than 2Dogs :D

Cheers

Winsten wun Rob

rob - try nothing again. i read a bit on this for memory's sake, i still love my foster's story on page 1 or 2, but i dearly suspect this is the 14,000 Eo archers vs Rhudaur game, as such, WHY, or WHY would you want to dredge THAT up from the misty mirky morass..???? ah well, we all gotta be famous for something, yes? most of the players in this one are still around and, yes, still get the odd opportunity to raise a glass and salute the debacle as it deserves...

[ruggha]

Arfanbrad, VEO, Player, gavin, a couple others, and this one from a Trollshaws module of the old MERP thingamabob. 2Brads - oh, no, now, the other Brad's will get jealous...!!!

[ruggha]

where are the days of quality forum humour gone? :D Can they come back again?

Oh my, I miss the days of many years ago fighting against the various Scotts (Nolan and another that slips my memory now...). Not sure if we ever got as good as those times, not to mention the days of newsletters. Ever see the shot of the beer keg with a sail on it..? Ah, those were the days, for sure... Now we're left with the dregs of the dregs, where even a "barbeque at Osgiliath" post in the early game is exciting...everything's relative. Now, which game are you going to bring relevance to...?

[Winsten Wun Toof]

[QUOTE=ruggha Now, which game are you going to bring relevance to...?

What relevence? You can't handle the relevence! You can't even handle the handle!

I don't think I'm going to bring relevence to anyone. Sunshine, stunning looks and an ass that's so tight that you can crack walnuts on it, but no relevence.... (actually there's a pretty big lie in there somewhere, see if you can spot it :-)

It looks like my first outing will be the new 2 week turnaround game. Last time I asked there were only two players registered and I don't know who the other one is so I haven't got in any fights yet :D but then again, even if there was only me playing fisty cuffs are probably inevitable :eek:

Not sure how Keith's game's going either. There were a couple positions unclear as to whether players were going to continue as of a week ago. If NG comes up I will take that. That would seem a long short at the moment though.....

Cheers

Winsten wun game

[ruggha]

Well...I'm the Easterlings in that one, so why don't you take over the Northmen...? :D

[Winsten Wun Toof]

Well...I'm the Easterlings in that one, so why don't you take over the Northmen...? :D

How do you know what you got? I thought you put down 3 choices and got whatever you got?

I put down the CL first. I've never played it before but he's got a lot of recruiting towns so I figure I can field some pretty awesome Mordor armies :D

That's an extremely odd choice for me if you think about it, but everyone knows you're serious when you charge the walls of Minas Anor with Ji Indur at the head of 500 archers :D I'll deny the NG those capital orders yet...

I'll leave the other two choices for the day :)

Do you know how many have nominated now? Hope it starts soon....

Cheers

Winsten wun toof

[ruggha]

Not the "New Game"...I don't even see a new game published as filling, might take a while.. I mean Keith's Arthedain Game 5....

[Winsten Wun Toof]

Not the "New Game"...I don't even see a new game published as filling, might take a while.. I mean Keith's Arthedain Game 5....

Oh - I'm not in that one as yet. But yes there is a new game filling. There are two of us apparently, enough to start a fight that our children will have to finish. And on that note, apart from Ditto I have the most children :)

Winsten wun toof

[Winsten Wun Toof]

Not the "New Game"...I don't even see a new game published as filling, might take a while.. I mean Keith's Arthedain Game 5....

Hi 2Brads

I e-mailed Harley and they advised they haven't advertised the new 1650 2 weeker because they're trying to fill other variants first. I saw one of either yours or Keith's games was ending but can't seem to find it. Can you throw up a message if it's yours that the new game will fill if players nominated for it. Harley said they'd advertise it if they started getting numbers.

Cheers

Winsten wun toof