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Glenn Bundy

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

You stole a million gold in one order? Now maybe I don't play 1650 enough,
but I've never SEEN a million gold in one place before...

- Glenn

>
> Does history repeat itself?
>
> I played Witchking in the 'first' game 63. Rhudaur
> went FREE on T2. I got badly badly beaten up, but
> survived (thanks to Rhudaur being RUBBISH and Dunlands
> going dark around t12) - and ended up winning the game
> sometime around t30. Its also the only game where I
> ever stole over 1,000,000 gold with one order - from
> the Noldo capital.
>
> Lets hope history DOES repeat itself.

Mike Sankey

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

Yes I remember the last game 63 and can vouch for what Mike claims. I can
remember stealing similar amounts in the latter stages of early games. I
think the rules have been tweaked some time ago to limit the amount stolen
depending on pop centre size. I think the maximum in one steal is now 10k at
a city.

Regards

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Bundy <crosser@...>
To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:51 PM
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Game 63 Witchking

>
> You stole a million gold in one order? Now maybe I don't play 1650
enough,
> but I've never SEEN a million gold in one place before...
>
> - Glenn
>
> >
> > Does history repeat itself?
> >
> > I played Witchking in the 'first' game 63. Rhudaur
> > went FREE on T2. I got badly badly beaten up, but
> > survived (thanks to Rhudaur being RUBBISH and Dunlands
> > going dark around t12) - and ended up winning the game
> > sometime around t30. Its also the only game where I
> > ever stole over 1,000,000 gold with one order - from
> > the Noldo capital.
> >
> > Lets hope history DOES repeat itself.
>
>
>
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bgbrunet

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

I think the maximum in one steal is now 10k at
> a city.
>

If they have it, why can't I steal it.........???????

paul86blue13@...

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

I've stolen in the 20k + range, and been stolen from in the 30k + range,
by one char. in a couple of my current games, I wish there was a limit,
but then again you gotta take the bad with the good, that ying yang
thing.

RFmehl@...

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

Glenn,

in long standing games, those that get up to around t70 or more, the market
goes nuts. Food can be 1,000 gold each, etc.

not uncommon to have several million gold in bank

Thu Feb*8,*2001 3:39*pm
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Does history repeat itself? I played Witchking in the 'first' game 63. Rhudaur went FREE on T2. I got badly badly beaten up, but survived (thanks to Rhudaur...

Mike Barber
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Feb*8,*2001 10:29*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

You stole a million gold in one order? Now maybe I don't play 1650 enough, but I've never SEEN a million gold in one place before... - Glenn...

Glenn Bundy
crosser@...

Feb*8,*2001 10:51*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

Yes I remember the last game 63 and can vouch for what Mike claims. I can remember stealing similar amounts in the latter stages of early games. I think the...

Mike Sankey
mikesankey@...

Feb*8,*2001 3:03*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

I think the maximum in one steal is now 10k at ... If they have it, why can't I steal it.........??????? ...

bgbrunet
ditletang@...

Feb*8,*2001 3:23*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... I've had more stolen off me in recent 2950 games. Gavin...

Gavinwj
gavinwj@...

Feb*8,*2001 3:55*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... The general rule is that you can't steal more gold from a pop center than it has. Since most pop centers ship all their gold off to the capital they'll...

Tony Zbaraschuk
tonyz@...

Feb*8,*2001 4:22*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... Not true in games I've played. Camps, no gold production, have given up 6,000 or more. I remember 'cos I whinged loud and long at the time... :-) Gavin...

Gavinwj
gavinwj@...

Feb*9,*2001 7:56*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

I've stolen in the 20k + range, and been stolen from in the 30k + range, by one char. in a couple of my current games, I wish there was a limit, but then again...

paul86blue13@...

Feb*8,*2001 3:39*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking and for that matter GM29 DS

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Re: Game 63 Witchking

Glenn, in long standing games, those that get up to around t70 or more, the market goes nuts. Food can be 1,000 gold each, etc. not uncommon to have several...

RFmehl@...

Feb*8,*2001 3:40*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... One turns production (straight gold) + one turn worth of taxes. That is the rule as explained to me, in general terms, over the years. It is simply not...

bgbrunet
ditletang@...

Feb*8,*2001 4:41*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... I think it's a case of each individual agent being able to steal up to the limit (which is set by production/taxes of that pop center, or else up to the...

Tony Zbaraschuk
tonyz@...

Feb*8,*2001 7:40*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

I see that it does not come to the sum of the stealing... It is a one-character rating, a sorta personal thing. It's rather strange, but that's what i saw. And...

Wilson Reis
will@...

Feb*8,*2001 7:21*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... Of course not, otherwise you wouldn't get gold from camps in the plains. I've stolen gold from camps in swamps, and they produce nothing at all! How much...

Brian Cash
bcash0@...

Feb*9,*2001 2:17*am



For Clint (ethnic warning!)

Here's one to keep you going in the funny department, Clint (forwarded to me from someone in the UN of all places!): TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING DUTCH 1. You can...

Gavinwj
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Feb*9,*2001 8:07*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

Hi, ... In the original UK game 5 (under GAD/Allsorts) the Dwarves had collected about 75 and a half million gold. But then food was at a price of 981! In the...

Colin Forbes
colin@...

Feb*9,*2001 3:46*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

I'd like to second Colin's mail. I played Dwarves in the original game 6 (again, under GAD), and I had a truly obscene amount of gold. I remember mithril...

Shaun Walker
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Feb*9,*2001 4:51*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

Have you tried carrying that much gold? I don't think even trolls could manage it in one go. ... From: bgbrunet To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thursday,...

Richard Farrer
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Feb*10,*2001 5:11*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... From: "Mike Sankey" <mikesankey@...> To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Game 63...

Richard John Devereux
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Feb*10,*2001 8:11*am

Gavinwj

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

bgbrunet wrote:

> I think the maximum in one steal is now 10k at
>> a city.
>>

I've had more stolen off me in recent 2950 games.

Gavin

Tony Zbaraschuk

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 10:54:38PM +0100, Gavinwj wrote:
> bgbrunet wrote:
> > I think the maximum in one steal is now 10k at
> >> a city.
>
> I've had more stolen off me in recent 2950 games.

The general rule is that you can't steal more gold from a pop center
than it has. Since most pop centers ship all their gold off to the
capital they'll never have more on hand than one turn's
production. [It's very nice to steal from gold-producing
camps.]

However, ALL your gold is at the capital, so a really good thief can
get it all. (Actually, he probably starts an insurance Ponzi scheme
or something, rather than trying to walk out of town laden with tons
of Au.... but that's part of being a high-ranking agent.)

Tony Z
--
"The King with half the East at heel is marched from lands of morning;
His fighters drink the rivers up, their shafts benight the air,
And he that stays will die for naught, and home there's no returning."
The Spartans on the sea-wet rock sat down and combed their hair.--A.E. Housman

bgbrunet

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

On Thu, 08 February 2001, Tony Zbaraschuk wrote:

> The general rule is that you can't steal more gold
> from a pop center
> than it has. Since most pop centers ship all their
> gold off to the
> capital they'll never have more on hand than one
> turn's production.

One turns production (straight gold) + one turn worth
of taxes.

That is the rule as explained to me, in general terms,
over the years.

It is simply not true.

I had one particular example in a previous game, where
I tried to figure out how the 5 agents made off with
18,000 gold from one of my towns, and with gold
production, taxes, and % of my current reserves, I
just couldn't make the numbers come to any logical
conclusion. And, I took reserves at the beginning of
the turn, reserves at the end, reserves after
maintenance, etc........ Made no sense.

Now, I may have calculated something somewhere wrong,
and the formula may well be within those parameters,
but it isn't a cut-and-dried formula. Hey, throw in
agent rank and loyalty..........geez, I'd rather just
play than compile this...........

Regards,

Brad Brunet

Wilson Reis

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

I see that it does not come to the sum of the stealing... It is a one-character rating, a sorta
personal thing. It's rather strange, but that's what i saw.

And anyway, i saw 13000 gold being stolen from 2136 . At that moment it was a Medium Town, and at
that game, it had no gold production.

Ok, forests should not have gold production, but with those elven oddities, who knows.

Will
Brazilian PBMer, lurking here since August 2000. (my first post, welcome's accepted !)

----- Original Message -----
From: "bgbrunet" <ditletang@...>
To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Game 63 Witchking

> On Thu, 08 February 2001, Tony Zbaraschuk wrote:
>
> > The general rule is that you can't steal more gold
> > from a pop center
> > than it has. Since most pop centers ship all their
> > gold off to the
> > capital they'll never have more on hand than one
> > turn's production.
>
> One turns production (straight gold) + one turn worth
> of taxes.
>
> That is the rule as explained to me, in general terms,
> over the years.
>
> It is simply not true.
>
> I had one particular example in a previous game, where
> I tried to figure out how the 5 agents made off with
> 18,000 gold from one of my towns, and with gold
> production, taxes, and % of my current reserves, I
> just couldn't make the numbers come to any logical
> conclusion. And, I took reserves at the beginning of
> the turn, reserves at the end, reserves after
> maintenance, etc........ Made no sense.
>
> Now, I may have calculated something somewhere wrong,
> and the formula may well be within those parameters,
> but it isn't a cut-and-dried formula. Hey, throw in
> agent rank and loyalty..........geez, I'd rather just
> play than compile this...........
>
> Regards,
>
> Brad Brunet
>
>
>

Tony Zbaraschuk

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 02:41:15PM -0800, bgbrunet wrote:
> On Thu, 08 February 2001, Tony Zbaraschuk wrote:
> > The general rule is that you can't steal more gold
> > from a pop center
> > than it has. Since most pop centers ship all their
> > gold off to the
> > capital they'll never have more on hand than one
> > turn's production.
>
> One turns production (straight gold) + one turn worth
> of taxes.
>
> That is the rule as explained to me, in general terms,
> over the years.
>
> It is simply not true.
>
> I had one particular example in a previous game, where
> I tried to figure out how the 5 agents made off with
> 18,000 gold from one of my towns, and with gold
> production, taxes, and % of my current reserves, I
> just couldn't make the numbers come to any logical
> conclusion. And, I took reserves at the beginning of
> the turn, reserves at the end, reserves after
> maintenance, etc........ Made no sense.

I think it's a case of each individual agent being able to steal
up to the limit (which is set by production/taxes of that pop
center, or else up to the entire treasury if it's the capital.)

Tony Z
--
"The King with half the East at heel is marched from lands of morning;
His fighters drink the rivers up, their shafts benight the air,
And he that stays will die for naught, and home there's no returning."
The Spartans on the sea-wet rock sat down and combed their hair.--A.E. Housman

Brian Cash

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

bgbrunet wrote:
> One turns production (straight gold) + one turn worth
> of taxes.
>
> That is the rule as explained to me, in general terms,
> over the years.
>
> It is simply not true.

Of course not, otherwise you wouldn't get gold from camps in the plains.
I've stolen gold from camps in swamps, and they produce nothing at all!
How much gold a pop center brings in influences how much you can take,
but there is more to the formula than max=production.

-Brian

Fri Feb*9,*2001 2:18*am
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Game 63 Witchking

Does history repeat itself? I played Witchking in the 'first' game 63. Rhudaur went FREE on T2. I got badly badly beaten up, but survived (thanks to Rhudaur...

Mike Barber
mbarber999@...

Feb*8,*2001 10:29*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

You stole a million gold in one order? Now maybe I don't play 1650 enough, but I've never SEEN a million gold in one place before... - Glenn...

Glenn Bundy
crosser@...

Feb*8,*2001 10:51*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

Yes I remember the last game 63 and can vouch for what Mike claims. I can remember stealing similar amounts in the latter stages of early games. I think the...

Mike Sankey
mikesankey@...

Feb*8,*2001 3:03*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

I think the maximum in one steal is now 10k at ... If they have it, why can't I steal it.........??????? ...

bgbrunet
ditletang@...

Feb*8,*2001 3:23*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... I've had more stolen off me in recent 2950 games. Gavin...

Gavinwj
gavinwj@...

Feb*8,*2001 3:55*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... The general rule is that you can't steal more gold from a pop center than it has. Since most pop centers ship all their gold off to the capital they'll...

Tony Zbaraschuk
tonyz@...

Feb*8,*2001 4:22*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... Not true in games I've played. Camps, no gold production, have given up 6,000 or more. I remember 'cos I whinged loud and long at the time... :-) Gavin...

Gavinwj
gavinwj@...

Feb*9,*2001 7:56*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

I've stolen in the 20k + range, and been stolen from in the 30k + range, by one char. in a couple of my current games, I wish there was a limit, but then again...

paul86blue13@...

Feb*8,*2001 3:39*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking and for that matter GM29 DS

CAN I GIVE U PIECE OF FRIENDLY ADVICE DONT SEND ATTACHMENTS AND ORDERS AND IDEAS on the one list. FROM THE EASTERLINGS - Bruce the Fox Where have those girly...

brucefox10@...

Mar*23,*2001 7:31*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

Glenn, in long standing games, those that get up to around t70 or more, the market goes nuts. Food can be 1,000 gold each, etc. not uncommon to have several...

RFmehl@...

Feb*8,*2001 3:40*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... One turns production (straight gold) + one turn worth of taxes. That is the rule as explained to me, in general terms, over the years. It is simply not...

bgbrunet
ditletang@...

Feb*8,*2001 4:41*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... I think it's a case of each individual agent being able to steal up to the limit (which is set by production/taxes of that pop center, or else up to the...

Tony Zbaraschuk
tonyz@...

Feb*8,*2001 7:40*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

I see that it does not come to the sum of the stealing... It is a one-character rating, a sorta personal thing. It's rather strange, but that's what i saw. And...

Wilson Reis
will@...

Feb*8,*2001 7:21*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... Of course not, otherwise you wouldn't get gold from camps in the plains. I've stolen gold from camps in swamps, and they produce nothing at all! How much...

Brian Cash
bcash0@...

Feb*9,*2001 2:17*am



For Clint (ethnic warning!)

Here's one to keep you going in the funny department, Clint (forwarded to me from someone in the UN of all places!): TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING DUTCH 1. You can...

Gavinwj
gavinwj@...

Feb*9,*2001 8:07*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

Hi, ... In the original UK game 5 (under GAD/Allsorts) the Dwarves had collected about 75 and a half million gold. But then food was at a price of 981! In the...

Colin Forbes
colin@...

Feb*9,*2001 3:46*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

I'd like to second Colin's mail. I played Dwarves in the original game 6 (again, under GAD), and I had a truly obscene amount of gold. I remember mithril...

Shaun Walker
shaun_walker@...

Feb*9,*2001 4:51*pm



Re: Game 63 Witchking

Have you tried carrying that much gold? I don't think even trolls could manage it in one go. ... From: bgbrunet To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Thursday,...

Richard Farrer
richard@...

Feb*10,*2001 5:11*am



Re: Game 63 Witchking

.... From: "Mike Sankey" <mikesankey@...> To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Game 63...

Richard John Devereux
devereux@...

Feb*10,*2001 8:11*am

Gavinwj

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

Tony Zbaraschuk wrote:

> The general rule is that you can't steal more gold from a pop center
> than it has. Since most pop centers ship all their gold off to the
> capital they'll never have more on hand than one turn's
> production. [It's very nice to steal from gold-producing
> camps.]

Not true in games I've played. Camps, no gold production, have given up
6,000 or more. I remember 'cos I whinged loud and long at the time... :-)

Gavin

Richard Farrer

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

Have you tried carrying that much gold? I don't think even trolls could manage it in one go.
----- Original Message -----
From: bgbrunet
To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Game 63 Witchking

I think the maximum in one steal is now 10k at
> a city.
>

If they have it, why can't I steal it.........???????

Richard John Devereux

2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sankey" <mikesankey@...>
To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Game 63 Witchking

> Yes I remember the last game 63 and can vouch for what Mike claims. I can
> remember stealing similar amounts in the latter stages of early games. I
> think the rules have been tweaked some time ago to limit the amount stolen
> depending on pop centre size. I think the maximum in one steal is now 10k
at
> a city.
>
> Regards
>
> Mike

RD: Mike, I believe you are right about the amount that can be stolen from a
normal city, but I understood there was NO limit on what could be stolen
from a capital.

Can anyone confirm?

Richard.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glenn Bundy <crosser@...>
> To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Game 63 Witchking
>
>
> >
> > You stole a million gold in one order? Now maybe I don't play 1650
> enough,
> > but I've never SEEN a million gold in one place before...
> >
> > - Glenn
> >
> > >
> > > Does history repeat itself?
> > >
> > > I played Witchking in the 'first' game 63. Rhudaur
> > > went FREE on T2. I got badly badly beaten up, but
> > > survived (thanks to Rhudaur being RUBBISH and Dunlands
> > > going dark around t12) - and ended up winning the game
> > > sometime around t30. Its also the only game where I
> > > ever stole over 1,000,000 gold with one order - from
> > > the Noldo capital.
> > >
> > > Lets hope history DOES repeat itself.
> >
> >
> >
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