Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story

[Pontus Gustavsson]

I guess the sub that hit the fishing boat was using windows too...
Or it could be the sonar operator was planning his ME turn instead of
watching his screen! I've heard they have e-mail access! :-)

/Pontus

[Jim Johnston]

they were surfacing to wash the window! jim

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From: Pontus Gustavsson [SMTP:pontus@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story

I guess the sub that hit the fishing boat was using windows too...
Or it could be the sonar operator was planning his ME turn instead of
watching his screen! I've heard they have e-mail access! :-)

/Pontus



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[Jim Johnston]

Sadly, It was not a farce--it was for real!! Jim

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From: HENNING RINDBEK LARSEN [SMTP:rindbaek@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:30 PM
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Subject: SV: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story

With the US one never knows......I recall that you just had a farce called
was it "election of a president". Not even Hollywood would have dared making
such a production....;-).

The joke with the navy was so thick that almost none in Europe would have
believed it, well maybe a couple of swedes ;-).

Henning

>
> Richard John Devereux wrote:
> > >
> > RD: All this debate misses the point. It doesn't matter
> whether the story
> > is true or not, it's still FUNNY! Can't you guys take a joke?
> >
> Sure, if it's told as a joke. When someone tells it as a 'true' story
> and goes on to start dissing the U.S. Navy, we get a little peeved...
>
> -ED \1/
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[Edward A. Dimmick]

Pontus Gustavsson wrote:
>
> I guess the sub that hit the fishing boat was using windows too...
>
Hadn't heard about that incident, but it's a lot more plausible than a
carrier trying to bully a lighthouse - being that subs often operate
alone, don't have surface search and are often out of radio contact with
the world, and so on.

> Or it could be the sonar operator was planning his ME turn instead of
> watching his screen! I've heard they have e-mail access! :-)
>
Watch for someone with character names like Thresher, Skipjack, and
Seawolf; probably take the Corsairs if they have a choice :)

-ED \1/

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[John Stagoll]

>> I guess the sub that hit the fishing boat was using windows too...
>>
>Hadn't heard about that incident, but it's a lot more plausible than
a
>carrier trying to bully a lighthouse - being that subs often operate
>alone, don't have surface search and are often out of radio contact
with
>the world, and so on.

hah hah nice one, I'm intrigued as to what is "surface search"? surely
they had radar? periscope? I reckon you might have a bit of explaining
here. Not to mention not picking up the survivors (if you can believe
the distraught jap captain).

Whats the bet 50 years from now the yanks have a web page denying this
one too?

Anyway, friendly fire has always accounted for alot of casulties
throughout the ages, I wonder what the ME version of that is....

[bgbrunet]

On Mon, 12 February 2001, John Stagoll wrote:

> Anyway, friendly fire has always accounted for alot of casulties
> throughout the ages, I wonder what the ME version of that is....

Besides issuing challenge to your ally's emissary you transferred a pop center
to last turn..(by mistake, he pleaded with me to believe.......) ..?

I would also guess silly npc encounters for "neutrals" who haven't wasted the
order to change allegiance. my "free" army was just mostly carried off by
those big birds of the northlands..............and I was hoping to recruit some!

Regards,

Brad Brunet

[Din]

> >
> > I guess the sub that hit the fishing boat was
> using windows too...
> >
> Hadn't heard about that incident,


On Friday (9/2/2001) a US nuclear sub decides to
practice emergency surfacing near hawaii. They rise in
the middle of a jap training fishing ship which had
young jap students on board.

The surface ship goes 'what happened to our bottom ?'
and sinks. 9 of the 35 don't get found (fish food time
for them). Since children/young adults are dead its
goes on front page in Japan.

The sub says 'oops, call the coast guard'. The US
goverment says 'sorry, lets hold an offical
investigation to find out what happened', and the japs
say 'why didn't the sub stay and take in survivors'.

people are asking questions faster than what they can
be answered, eq were the japs in the wrong sea lane,
did the sub fail to follow normal procedures to look
first, should the sub have opened hatches and tried to
help the survivors, or could the nuclear sub have
exploded and release radiaton all over the place, etc,
etc.

Cnn has a message board on it, but its full of
loonies.


thanks
din

p.s My work got hit by the Anna Kournikova virsus.
Work has deleted all emails (virus or not), so I'm
going to blame this for not answering any difficult
emails I get.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/02/12/anna.worm/index.html

[Din]

>
> hah hah nice one, I'm intrigued as to what is
> "surface search"? surely
> they had radar? periscope? I reckon you might have a
> bit of explaining
> here.

maybe they looked, they then went down, then they did
the emergency surface. But the jap training vessel
moved into the wrong place, and being small it wasn't
picked up by the radar. Maybe the sub did see the
japs, felt they were out of the danger zone, but when
they rose the sub went off track and hit the ship.

You could also say why didn't the japs see the sub. As
a fishing boat you would think they would have good
radar to detect the schools of fish/whales they go
after.

I worry about the loonies on CNN who said that the sub
aimed for the japs as a payback for WWII.

but the US have already admitted their sub hit the jap
ship, and not that the jap ship hit the sub.

> Not to mention not picking up the survivors
> (if you can believe
> the distraught jap captain).

I think subs are not meant to pick up unskilled
people, ie they have sloping decks with some nasty
propellers at the back end.

Someone called the coast guard.

Maybe the sub couldn't didn't want to risk getting the
swimmers caught in their undertow/propellers, so they
declined to stand on the surface.

I say let the investigation tell the full story.

**** happens
din

ps back to middle earth ?

[Richard John Devereux]

RD: Anybody remember the radio series 'The Navy Lark?' It featured Leslie
Phillips as the world's worst navigating officer. His catch-phrase was
'left hand down a bit' instead of 'port twenty' or whatever. Every episode
he crashed his frigate, HMS Troutbridge, into something at least once.

By coincidence (or maybe not?) the Royal Navy of the time had a REAL frigate
in service, HMS Troubridge (spot the difference). Top brass couldn't
understand why traditional 'goodwill' visits by HMS Troubridge were politely
(or not so politely!) declined by friendly nations until somebody mentioned
the radio show!

Now that IS a true story! The moral is, even if you are proud of your navy,
don't be afraid to make jokes at its expense. If you don't, somebody else
will!

The lighthouse story seems to have been appallingly badly handled by the US
Navy's press relations people. For God's sake, setting up a web page to
deny it? That's just adding fuel to the flames. If it wasn't true, why not
just issue a simple denial and treat it with the contempt it deserved?

Richard.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Din" <din_ohtar@...>
To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story

> >
> > hah hah nice one, I'm intrigued as to what is
> > "surface search"? surely
> > they had radar? periscope? I reckon you might have a
> > bit of explaining
> > here.
>
> maybe they looked, they then went down, then they did
> the emergency surface. But the jap training vessel
> moved into the wrong place, and being small it wasn't
> picked up by the radar. Maybe the sub did see the
> japs, felt they were out of the danger zone, but when
> they rose the sub went off track and hit the ship.
>
> You could also say why didn't the japs see the sub. As
> a fishing boat you would think they would have good
> radar to detect the schools of fish/whales they go
> after.
>
> I worry about the loonies on CNN who said that the sub
> aimed for the japs as a payback for WWII.
>
> but the US have already admitted their sub hit the jap
> ship, and not that the jap ship hit the sub.
>
> > Not to mention not picking up the survivors
> > (if you can believe
> > the distraught jap captain).
>
> I think subs are not meant to pick up unskilled
> people, ie they have sloping decks with some nasty
> propellers at the back end.
>
> Someone called the coast guard.
>
> Maybe the sub couldn't didn't want to risk getting the
> swimmers caught in their undertow/propellers, so they
> declined to stand on the surface.
>
> I say let the investigation tell the full story.
>
> **** happens
> din
>
> ps back to middle earth ?
>
>
>

[Gavinwj]

Din wrote:

> should the sub have opened hatches and tried to
> help the survivors,

I thought the sub *did* take on survivors? According to the Swiss press they
did, anyway.

Gavin

[Gavinwj]

Richard John Devereux wrote:

> RD: Anybody remember the radio series 'The Navy Lark?'

Still very funny after all these years. The Beeb has been slowly releasing
double tapes: I wish they'd get with the program, though, and go for CD
instead! They did for the Goon Show.

Gavin