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Grrrr!!!! Snr.
2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM
I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10 years and I am
still coming across new and odd things.

I have just discovered that what the rule book says about the Reveal
Population Centre spell (434) is not correct. The book says that if you cast
the spell whilst in the same hex as the hidden population centre then the
hiding enchantment is removed. However, this is not the case. Apparently
after casting the spell there is another "dice roll" to determine if the
population centre is revealed.

Do any of you seasoned mages know what this second "dice roll" is based on ?
Mage Rank ? Casting Rank ? Dumb Luck ?

David

Benjamin Shushan
2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM
Natural (i.e. unenhanced by arties) casting rank. Arties only enhance the first
"dice roll." (Well-framed question, by the way - you correctly understood the
issue and "x-factor" - not meaning to sound condescending or patronizing, but
rather complimentary - it's getting the _concept_ across that usually takes the
most effort when someone is unfamiliar w/ this somewhat "esoteric" point ... :).

Hth.

b

"Grrrr!!!! Snr." wrote:

> I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10 years and I am
> still coming across new and odd things.
>
> I have just discovered that what the rule book says about the Reveal
> Population Centre spell (434) is not correct. The book says that if you cast
> the spell whilst in the same hex as the hidden population centre then the
> hiding enchantment is removed. However, this is not the case. Apparently
> after casting the spell there is another "dice roll" to determine if the
> population centre is revealed.
>
> Do any of you seasoned mages know what this second "dice roll" is based on ?
> Mage Rank ? Casting Rank ? Dumb Luck ?
>
> David
>
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Sharon MacCabe
2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM
Casting rank without artifacts.-Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Grrrr!!!! Snr. <grrrr!!!!@...>
To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Date: Saturday, February 17, 2001 7:27 AM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Spells ???

>I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10 years and I am
>still coming across new and odd things.
>
>I have just discovered that what the rule book says about the Reveal
>Population Centre spell (434) is not correct. The book says that if you
cast
>the spell whilst in the same hex as the hidden population centre then the
>hiding enchantment is removed. However, this is not the case. Apparently
>after casting the spell there is another "dice roll" to determine if the
>population centre is revealed.
>
>Do any of you seasoned mages know what this second "dice roll" is based on
?
>Mage Rank ? Casting Rank ? Dumb Luck ?
>
>David
>
>
>
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Grrrr!!!! Snr.
2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM
Thanks for the info Sharon and Ben.

David

Richard John Devereux
2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grrrr!!!! Snr." <grrrr!!!!@...>
To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Spells ???


> I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10 years and I am
> still coming across new and odd things.
>
> I have just discovered that what the rule book says about the Reveal
> Population Centre spell (434) is not correct. The book says that if you
cast
> the spell whilst in the same hex as the hidden population centre then the
> hiding enchantment is removed. However, this is not the case. Apparently
> after casting the spell there is another "dice roll" to determine if the
> population centre is revealed.
>
> Do any of you seasoned mages know what this second "dice roll" is based on
?
> Mage Rank ? Casting Rank ? Dumb Luck ?
>
> David

RD: As I understand it, there's a die roll to see whether the mage succeeds
in casting the spell. This is based on his casting rank, so if a M70 mage
carries 30 points' worth of mage artifacts he is certain to succeed.

BUT the second roll, governing whether the spell itself succeeds, uses base
mage rank ONLY; therefore your M70 could fail to cast 434 which is a 'hard'
order.

Hope that helps.

Richard.


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TaborekEJ@...
2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM
In a message dated 2/17/01 4:38:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
devereux@... writes:

<< therefore your M70 could fail to cast 434 which is a 'hard'
order.
>>
I think you meant to say: Even when your 70 skill mage succeeds in casting
434 (causing the casting rank to increase), the spell might still fail to
unhide the hidden population center.
Or I am, as usual, wrong?
Ed




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Spells ???

I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10 years and I am still coming across new and odd things. I have just discovered that what the rule...


Grrrr!!!! Snr.
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Natural (i.e. unenhanced by arties) casting rank. Arties only enhance the first "dice roll." (Well-framed question, by the way - you correctly understood the...


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Feb*17,*2001 6:37*am





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It was my understanding all this time that the second roll was based on natural mage rank, not on natural casting rank. I never got any direct info from GSI on...



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Casting rank without artifacts.-Tom ... From: Grrrr!!!! Snr. <grrrr!!!!@...> To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date:...


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Thanks for the info Sharon and Ben. David...


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Jeremy: My "rule of thumb" is based on "theory" (introduced by players who've been around since the play-testing days) _and_ experience. 20+ castings that ...


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Feb*17,*2001 6:14*pm





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Hi Ben, So, are you saying that the numbers you have collected definitely support that the second roll is based on casting rank, and provide counter-evidence...



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What would the logic behind mage rank be? I know of no other spell casting situation where it is mage rank that is considered over casting rank for that...


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Feb*18,*2001 5:56*am





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Tom and Jeremy: Tom made several of the points I would've made (no other spell for which mage rank seems to be applicable; no proof and statistially large...


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Feb*18,*2001 9:47*am





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There are spells where the success of the spell is based on a single casting roll (including artifacts) but the degree of success is based on mage rank. I'm...



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Feb*18,*2001 3:13*pm





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Just for the record, what started me asking this question was a mage with a rank of 78 but a casting rank for the spell of 57 and then 58 passed the first test...


Grrrr!!!! Snr.
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Feb*18,*2001 11:01*am





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You guys have the right approach I think, both in doubting small-sample or andecdotal evidence and in appreciating the game as is. After twelve years, I...


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Feb*18,*2001 11:04*am





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In a message dated 2/17/01 4:38:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, devereux@... writes: << therefore your M70 could fail to cast 434 which is a 'hard' order....



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Jeremy: I believe Conjuring Spells are only based on actual mage rank only to the extent that they affect the outcome of the spell _if_succesful_ (there is no ...


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I am fairly certain the order for the spells is "Casting rank modified by artifacts" followed by "Casting rank unmodified". One of the other fellows, I believe...


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Richard John Devereux
2nd February 2008, 11:35 AM
> In a message dated 2/17/01 4:38:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> devereux@... writes:
>
> << therefore your M70 could fail to cast 434 which is a 'hard'
> order.
> >>
> I think you meant to say: Even when your 70 skill mage succeeds in casting
> 434 (causing the casting rank to increase), the spell might still fail to
> unhide the hidden population center.
> Or I am, as usual, wrong?
> Ed

RD: Oops, that was a bit of a foul-up. What meant to say (in common with
several other contributors) was that the arts will help the mage cast the
spell, but the SUCCESS level is governed by unimproved mage rank, so it
might still (as you say) fail to unhide the hidden pop.

Richard.
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