Game 52

[Player]

So, what turn is it anyway now?

I have taken over what was advertised as a Neutral, but with 2 FP nations attacking me, I guess it isn't really a Neutral now, is it?

Is this simply a run the current situation to the ground game or do we have some room to change things?

Regards,

the Corsairs

[FrightfulTales]

Player,

Welcome to 52. Please send me an email @ clanka@covad.net. I am playing the CL in game 52, and we really need to speak.

Thanks,

Chris CL 52

P.S. Clint and Sam are playing as FP in this game.

[MarkF]

Corsair player,

Welcome from Harad! I feel your pain! I came into this game on turn 4 or 5. The next turn Harad was attacked by the QA and the old Corsair player. You and I have been fighting since that time!!
I'd very much like to speak with you, please e-mail me at mferguson@nkc-law.com. I will be out of town from wednesday until friday night, but turns are not due until next monday.

Mark Ferguson - Harad 52

[Jill Indur]

I've just taken over the Corsair, so what's going on?
mo-scf@web.de
Anja

[KIZERSOZI]

well you both cant be cosairs can you!!
but for whoever is the real corsair here is breif history of the south
Turn 1-3 harad player has a mental breakdown upsetting
the ds and corsiars who join forces and respond in kind.
turn 4 new harad plyr saddly goes freep
everything going rosey for the ds/corsair in the south until the corsair player dissappears without any warning and has been not played for 2 turns.truly not a nice thing to do.
thats whats happened to date hope it helps.
L.R.-52

[Player]

I'd go with Jill Indur as the corsair. The company gave me the corsairs and then took it back..go figure...

[Clint]

Had something to do with you being the old Harad player from what I hear... :-)

C

[Player]

Yeah, I vaguely remember it. I never actually sent in a turn as Harad, had to drop for old reasons before it even started, so "technically", I was fresh meat, but I respect the rules when they're fairly applied.

Have a good war folks!

[Gixxer]

Hi Player,
you're the Harad ?

I'm missing this phrases like in ME 235.

Looks like my wife is doing well and you will be history soon as in game 235.

Gixxer

[KIZERSOZI]

For your info Gixxer, Player is no longer the Harad
For the freeps we know who is and they don not take kindly
to what you have done. You had the advantage but it seems you have let it slip.We have survived your assaults and slowly we are turning the tide every turn you lose your best characters(Amroth
squeeled like a pig) whilst ours just get stronger . Turn 20 and the WK is still in angmar all alone and you still cannot finish this simple task shame on you.
well a struggle indeed it is i look forward to turn 20 and seeing
who will fall next.
L.R.-Killing characters and burning up the rhovanian unnaopposed

[Don Palmer]

Hey Short Rider !

I thought your flights of fancy were over, but I guess not :)

If "...burning up Rhovanion unopposed" means taking out a few Eo camps while your lose all your Rhun pop centres, please keep up the good work ! Dilgul goes back to to its rightful owner this turn, doesn't leave but 1 village and 1 camp left for you to hide in all of Rhun, Rhovanion and East Mordor.

Don - Da Northmen

[Gixxer]

Hey Shrimp,
my wife is playing this game and she's on your side !

I would have liked to have this Corsairs, but Clint has put me in a different world.

Burn this Freps as promised, Anja will help you !

Gixxxer

( tipple X, for the super-hero in me )

[KIZERSOZI]

Well Nman how is life in your new cap
As for burning up camps in Rhovanion your right as you can see
i have now moved up to taking villages too.As for Dilgul going back to its rightfull owner well i guess the dwarf never got that message. Tell me are there anymore dwarven armys on the way because i cant see any but i can assure we have plenty coming north so it would seem the battle for the Rhun will go our way
for the next few turns would you not agree.Speaking of things going our way what has happend to the mordor assualt as i can see no more freep army inside. only dead freep heros. Better
get focased freeps your losing ground fast.
L.R.

[Don Palmer]

Well done, Shorty !

yeah, you guys have turned the corner a little bit, but things will turn back our way soon...

The Easterling horders just keep coming. We'll cut him and old Cloudy down to size a bit before they move on. But where does your reduced help come in ? Have fun being a small cog on the Dark wheel, just as the ol Northmen has been for some time now...

Don - Da Northmen

[KIZERSOZI]

Well me ol enemy its like this
Yep im no giant at the moment due to you boys keeping me down with thefts and emmi influences but a thorn i still remain
but il let you into a little secret you see as i have this chap and this lady who work for me in shady activities, so far as to say that recently they have delivered me the head of Amroth and Tharundil and i can assure you i have 2 well know and loved
characters spotted and in my sites lined up for next turn so you
see old friend this small but deadly cog just keeps on spinning.
maybe il stop by your capitol some time and introduce you to
Dino and Lomlinde im sure youd like them.
L.R.

[Gixxer]

Gixxxer is in the game to fresh it up a little bit !

Freps,
what's on ?

Do you want to die without a word ?

Ha, Ha, Ha

Gixxxer

[KIZERSOZI]

Well freeps as you can see things just got a whole lot worse
for you as we unleash our latest recruit.
Victory in this game is slipping through your fingers,
after it seemed so firmly within your grasp, But now you are crumbling, The Rhun is abandoned, The Eoplex an empty void,
The Harad in his death throws,and for our part the pass is as solid
as ever still you cannot get through and at the North gate your armies mass too terrified to enter Mordor and with good reason.
The next few turns will be very Telling.Who knows maybe the Nmans 400 troops will make all the difference!!
L.R.

[Gixxer]

Yeah !!

The daedly blow will come soon !

WK will do that ! :D

You forgot, I'm a Gixxxer not a Ninja !


Have fun !

Gixxxer

[Don Palmer]

In the immortal words of Monty Python's knight at the bridge:

" Come at me, then ! It's only a flesh wound ! I'll bite ya to death ! "

Go ahead, concentrate again on the lowly Northman and his brave 400, while the other Free multitude's march straight into Mordor...

Don - Da Northman

[FrightfulTales]

FP,

Hey Don, you still think we are in such a bad position that we should consider quitting and giving the FP the win?

Whatever happened to Morgoth anyway? I miss the poor fish boy and his endless banter?

Hey Clint, that isn't your last commander is it? Do you go back and look at your old turns to see what it looked like to have characters and armies running around Middleearth?

More surprises coming soon,

Frightfultales, 34 and counting

[Don Palmer]

Morgoth - I do miss the old Fish boy rantings, as well...

Dang it, my silver-tounged emissaries couldn't convice you
to give it up - what good are they, even at level 40+ ???

Don - Da Northmen

[Gixxer]

400 NM-troops.

That's something for me !

I'll recruit 1000 HI more and will use #880 ( beam army ).

Have fun !

Gixxxer

[Don Palmer]

Frightful, Shorty, Gixxer et al,

What happened to Ji ? He didn't make it south to Harad with the rest of his minions now, did he ?

Clint's last commander(s?) wandering the plains, hoping to survive and get to the ne capitol ala Moses...

Mordor - hey, we're baaaaccccckkkkk !!!


Don - Da Northmen

[FrightfulTales]

Don,

Although I must admit I have my doubts that you actually commited the act, I will give Kudos to your team for getting Ji. My scouting report must have missed someone, because otherwise the culprit would not have survived to get a free shot. The good news is that he was rather low on the skill list overall, hence the artificial enhancement. I hope Ringlin enjoys his dirt nap equally as well, and tell the WM to thank his lucky starts that one of my agents suffered a minor case of dyslexia.

As far as you being "back," I don't expect your visit to last too long, and it's an awful shame to march that many troops for so many turns to attack one pop center and then die miserably.

Beware of glimmers of steel in the shadows, for Ji will be Avenged, and only big names will do.

FrightfulTales

[Gixxer]

Don - Da Northman,
this turn you're back, next turn you're out !

Take care !

Gixxxer

[KIZERSOZI]

Ahh Don of the deadmen as always you choose to focus
on the small things in life and ignore the bigger picture at you peril.
You rejoice in the lucky killing of Ji and claim to be back in Mordor.
Well lets see mmm nope no freep armys IN Mordor turn 23 and still you cannot breach the North and West gates perhaps the back gate then errr nope no freeps there for a long time so
lets look again shall we oh yes all them cowardly dwarves running around just ouside too scared to enter Mordor till the coast is clear huh.
Now to the bigger picture as you concentrate on Mordor look to
East or the South just for a minute and tell me who is left to stop
them. Enjoy the killing of Ji but as you know the killing is a very long way from over.
L.R. - Pinning a medal on the newly premoted top agent Dino.

P.s. glad to see youve taken up trashing camps like myself
we small cogs gotta make a living too you know.

[Don Palmer]

Short Rider !

I guess since you never set foot inside Mordor you can be forgiven for not knowing the layout. Hmmm, 3426 gone away and 3224 a close thing, 3124 and 3221 the gateway long in Free hands along with 3222... yep, I guess Mordor is intact :)

Don - Da Northmen

[Gixxer]

Yes,
Mordor is intact !

Wait 'till we received the results for the next turn and you won't see Freps-icons in Mordor.

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Don Palmer]

Gixxer, Shorty, Frightfull et al,

So, no more Free icons in Mordor ? Wrong again ! Anyway, it
seems much easier to just influence away your MTowns there anyways :)

Dog Lord - loses 2 camps, has to send an army to 3831 camp ? Also loses a member of curse squad and nice arty - tough turn, warg boy...

All those town/towers in Northwest the Ice and Fire Kings have set up - soon to be gone ! Hurry now, get them to MTown size before you have no more backups...


Don - Da Northmen

[KIZERSOZI]

Ahhh Don of the Deadman

As you see we now allow you to enter the valley of death for truley you shall see it this turn. Tell me how just how many turns can you freeps sustain deaths in double figures not many i would guess. Info towns away all you like but me thinks you are struggleing to get mine havent you got any bigger stronger emmis squads than that!!. You Had your chance to finish us
and you failed now is the time of the agents. So when you
give your men there orders this turn say a prayer for them
because you know it may well be thier last.

L.R. Demands loyallty and gets it.

[Don Palmer]

Low Rider,

Our emi's will soon be more plentiful and better than yours.
Your agents can only be in so many places on one turn.
Our commanders and armies can be rebuilt easily, and soon
very close to the action in the heart of Mordor.
The lesser Dark Servants must be tiring of hanging on by a thread.

Add it up, and the Freeps will win out...


Don - Da Northmen

[Gixxer]

Heyja Donnnn da Northmen,
you're making plans for us, nice !

They'll help us I'm sure !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[FrightfulTales]

Hey Don,

I can answer your question from before about Ji, now it's your turn to wonder what happened to Dudannis. Is there any enjoyment left to be had for you in this game? Maybe you should realize that you can't win and quit. ;) BTW, how's old Clint doin?

Frightfultales

[Clint]

./ l0'




From Taliesin - pretty much what I thought of the last post as well..

Clint

[Don Palmer]

Frightful,

Yep, Dudan is dead - along with a few more Dark and Free characters alike.

Meanwhile, Shorty and Gix said NO Free armies in MOrdor this turn - you're only about 7 or 8 off on that one ! Fire King may need his hand held after losing a key MTown, another town and village.

I'll just keep humming along - just reading Shorty and your posts is enjoymnet enough for me :)

Don Da Northman

[Clint]

The FP are debating how likely we are to win the game - we've got 3/4 dead DS to check out but that's not unexpected.

At present I reckon 75% chance of winning, Don's more conservative and only 67% - oh well - only time will tell.

Wonder what happens when the DS are losing a capital a turn - I think that's called FP winning big time... :-) Yum, yum.... where's my stirring stick... :-)

It's been a good game but time to put this baby to rest methinks.

Clint (very much player)

[KIZERSOZI]

Well Well Well
Have you 2(EO,NM) ever thought of becomeing Nazguls because you are 2 of the most sorry a**ed dead things ive seen in a while
appart from the Harad maybe, hes looking just as lifeless as well.
As for our 25% chance of winning well i seem to recall being told
that around about turn 10 i think we were even give 5 turns to live at one point but here we are strong as ever.Anyone reading this post would think its all going your way but as always i shall
point out a few painfull reminders for you.
For a start Exactly what capitol will fall this turn? none me thinks.
Hope you have a replacemnt curser for Elrond because its gonna
be pretty lame without him.
Losing your agents dosent help your cause Esildur joins dudannis
amongst the dead.Granted we are losing some ground but we can manage that but it is you that is losing the quality characters
and in time the tide will turn.Enjoy your rampage in mordor as
turn by turn your comrades disappear and then what ,as once again your assault fails due to no more reinforcements, look to the North gate i see no more freep armies coming. So once again we will drive you out only this time we are stronger.
L.R.- Considers 50/50 a better guess.

[The Gray Man]

Hi Clint,
are you shure about 75 : 25 ?

I guess you haven't taken a look on you results-sheet ?

Your main char is dead !

You lost Elrond and some others last turn, do you really think you're winning ?

Mordor will be cleaned-up soon !

You're playing Cardolan right !?

Maybe you were able to organize this Freps a little bit better, but I guess it's too late for you guys !

Good gaming !

The Gray Man

[The Gray Man]

Hello Clint,
do you've taken a look on the results of your team-mates ?!

Maybe that's the reason why you don't answer ?

Good gaming !

The Gray Man

[Don Palmer]

Nazgullites,

So, pickin' on our short friends !? Seems your quiet Easterling
cohort is only player left with any substantial armies. Well, we've been kicked in the teeth before - we can ride out this intrusions on the periphery (Iron Hills, Rhovanion, Soth Gondor, and Harad) while we concentrate on Mordor and the important stuff.

Last turn FireK felt the heat - now the old Dark Lieu will have to deal with a smaller, kinder empire ! Ya know, Frightful, Short Rider, Gix and Gray Man have only so many character slots to pick up your favorite characters off your dead/dropped teammates...

Don - Da Northman

[The Gray Man]

DonDa,
we will see what the next turn will bring us.
Can't see a thing you have foreseen !

The Gray Man

[KIZERSOZI]

Ahh Don da deadman havent you dropped yet!!
As you said yes it is time for us to remove the short ones from the iron hills and as you well put we are everywhere but you did forget to mention our holdings in the north west. No matter
you continue to throw all that you have at Mordor but still we hold
and as i see it this will be your last assault.

As for having no charachter slots well that is problem we dont mind having, would you like a little wager that we make double figure character slots for you freeps this turn.
Good Luck next turn old enemy.
L.R.

[The Gray Man]

Don da deadman,
a nice title.

I guess it won't take much time and you really will possess it !

Your Mordor-attack ?
What's left from your mighty armies ?

Not much, I'm sure !

Next turn the character slashing will go further on !

The Gray Man

[KIZERSOZI]

Well Don did we make double figures as promised?
What can we say about this turn ? me thinks you may not be quite so perky. Agreed the DKLT cap fell but at such cost whereas
myself capatured a little MT of my own and lost not an orc, it is this sort of waste that will be your downfall. But onto other matters where is the next wave i still do not see it i guess you really are missing the Eothraim , the longer you take the stronger we get already the North gate is restored. Finally my old enemy
it would seem this turn will be even grimmer than usual for you
your pitifull armys will fall as will some of your camps, i chose yours especially.

To finish with as i am on a roll here would you possibly like another little wager with me ? double figures again mmmm
sleep well little freeps.
L.R. - Not usually a bettng man

[Gixxer]

Ho, ho, ho,
looks like my former team-mates are doing their job !

Nice to hear that !

Gixxxer isn't playing this game anymore, looks like the Freps haven't noticed this !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[The Gray Man]

Don Da Deadmen seems to be dead.

Hey, I hope we would have done this with our chars and armies not and only by threating the Free !

What's about 75 : 25 ?

Don Da Deadmen will be dead soon and some other guys too.

Good gaming !

[Don Palmer]

Gray et al,

As my grandpappy used to say at his lodge near Lonely Mountain:

" I ain't six feet under yet ! "

I am actually enjoying the fact that you Darkies are getting big heads lately, while nothing has significantly changed ! 3423 is gone, stuntie is getting picked on, Gix or whoever has finally figured out how to move his armies, blah blah. Soon enough your Eastie player will wonder " why should I continue with the rotting corpses I have for allies- a few good characters, but no economy and no armies ?!"

Don - Da Northman

[The Gray Man]

Hey Don - Da Deadman,
no signifcant changes ?

Interesting, I'm missing two huge Freps-armies and some Freps-chars.

I'm DS and I'm not able to take a look on your results, you're not missing them ?

Maybe we will wonder, I'm always wondering !

I guess, you will wonder much more !
Freps-slashing will go further on !

The Gray Man

[KIZERSOZI]

Deadman Don
DS getting big heads is a bit of a harsh accusation dont you think
it isnt us who has been coming out with such quotes as '5 turns left' and odds of 75:25 we have just got on with the job and dealt with whatever you could throw at us. Its plain to see that the freep assualts have peeked now and are steadily in decline
so forgive us if we feel somewhat pleased with the situation.
As for trying to upset out lord of all the East what do you hope to achieve here ? he steamrollers on and cannot be stopped his
heart beats as dark as any of us.
The tide has turned freep scum as promised.
L.R.

[The Gray Man]

Big heads, dark hearts !!

The heads are thinking and the hearts are beating !

What's about you Freps !

Small heads and Freps-hearts , nothing we have to fear !

The Gray Man

[Clint]

Hello DS

Would you mind passing this onto your team-mates?

We now have: 11,12,15,24 and probably 16 dead on your team. It also looks like your team is missing turns - a big sign of a game about to be lost. No defence in North Mordor or Ithil Pass AND we have a massive horde descending into Mordor ready to take the remaining pcs there. A few Emis causing some annoyance but that's about it all.

You've given us a good run and an excellent game but care to concede gracefully so that we can all move onto pastures greener?

Clint

[FrightfulTales]

Clint,

It is not really within the spirit of the game to announce which nations of ours are dead and which ones have not processed orders in a given turn, as that is not information that an opposing team are privy to on a turn by turn basis. I have always given you the benefit of the doubt about sharing confidential information with your teammates considering your inside access to the games, but I must admit now that I have totally lost any respect for you as a player, since you have now publically shared this information with everyone, friend and foe. If after blurting out this information you wish to do the honorable thing and concede this game, that is fine, but otherwise, you can kiss my arse.

Chris
aka FrightfulTales

[Player]

Hey Chris,

Just voyeuring a little here, but don't you also know when you've eliminated an enemy? Isn't it obvious to you also when "Huge Armies" don't move or when a Perceive Mission on Celedhring results in a Refuse and Artifact Search that your enemy isn't processing turns? Perceive Secrets, 585, and finding characters like "Warlock Murazor of the Unknown" are always pretty revealing clues as to who's in and who's out.

Do you think there's a chance to give Clint the benefit of the doubt? He says things like "probably" and "looks like". Not the most exacting and technical language that one might expect from someone dictating off the computer, no?

I've also played against the GM team, so I'm not just being reactionary here.

Regards,

Brad

[Arthedain73]

Since Clint is announcing 'public' information on the Message Board, why does he not tell us which nation Sam Roads is playing?

[Don Palmer]

Frightful,

Clint's message is a result of analyzing our collective Freep pdf's nad coming to some possible conclusions. Period. As Brad has mentioned, they're ways to deduce something has gone amiss with certain players, many methods of recon , etc.

Now, I was going to continue some banter, but I feel you may think I got a look at you, Short Rider's or Gray Man's (IceKings last ?!) turn.

Good and peaceful gaming,

Don - Da Northman

PS - Brad and Ed : You guys are a fount of info, but I fear you spend too much time in Middle Earth - and I thought I was obsessed :)

[KIZERSOZI]

As always more huff and puff from the freeps
what are the odds for this week one wonders.
So you want us to quit sheesh whats up cant you finish us off?
You will have to tear my undead bones from my body at Tol Buruth
before i quit.
As always i will have to put you freeps right on a few points.
As for our North defence well you will have to get past me first looks like its the sindas turn for a slap oh well good luck!! as for your hordes well we will see how far they get.
Lets have a reality check here and look at exactly what was lost and gained by both sides here !!! i think we win by just a touch. We may have fewer nations but the state of some of yours
evens this out.
Oh well i said enough me thinks on a final note i will say after our last team chat concedeing was not even on the agenda and im pretty sure it wont be this time round.
L.R.

[The Gray Man]

Clint, Don,
do you really think you analized your results ?

I can't believe this !

Maybe some of our nations are dead, but the rest of us is more than enough.

Clint ( should be dead with his Eos ) is talking about some "hordes" trying to cross the Ithil.
There's a Free-icon and .... ?

The char-war is lost for you !

Clint, I guess you know what it means.

The Gray Man

[Nimdraug]

This is a message to Chris and any others who are accusing Clint of using "inside" information to his advantage.

I'm not in this game; so some might say I don't have a dog in this fight. But I play ME PBM and Clint is the GM; so I have some interest in the matter.

My experience with Clint is such that I highly doubt he would take advantage of inside information in an ME PBM game. In all my dealings with him he has been straight-forward and decent. He enjoys ME PBM greatly and is smart enough to know that he would ruin the game for himself and other ME Games employees if he were in any way to take advantage of inside information.

Moreover, as GM, Clint has been first-rate. He responds quickly to all inquiries and he is responsive to player requests. Contrast the behavior of Clint and ME Games with that of GSI (for those of you who have been around long enough to have had experience with GSI). There is no comparison! Clint and ME Games are about 20 times more responsive and "player-friendly."

The accusation made by Chris is a serious one; therefore it should be handled in a serious way. If someone has a serious concern (or accusation), it would be appropriate to address that concern first privately by email. That way, any misunderstanding or errors can be easily corrected without harsh words and damaged reputauions.

[FrightfulTales]

I have made my opinions known, and you have all voiced your opinions, but that is all they are, opinions. Only Clint knows the answer, and that is his truth to live with.

As far as his and Don's anaysis of the current situation, I can't imagine that anyone who reads on this board would quit on "11-8 odds by Clint's calculations" so please stop the constant pleads to drop until we at least get a little closer to a 2:1 ratio . Battles are won in the trenches, not babbling about superiority and requesting teams to quit on a board. You know where I am, so get off your high horses and come get me.

Chris
CL 52

[Arthedain73]

A certain percentage of players get bored easily. With boredom comes sloppy play. Applying Real World psyops operations to Middle Earth allows tactics to be tailored to the target. I now believe Clint gets bored easily, should we ever play in the same game.

A bored, but honest, Clint can still tell us what nation Sam Roads is playing.

[Clint]

Hello Chris,

Note I haven't used any GM information here - just information directly from the game that our team has acquired. I play in lots of games, and neither myself nor any one of my employees been found to cheat, or use information unfairly. Why - because that would be against the spirit of the game, and plainly foolish and against our rules of conduct.

We've played in over 20 games now I think and at no time had anytime been found to be using an unfair advantage. 5 years of running the game has shown us to be honourable in that manner (if we were not we'd have been found out by now I assure you). We also allow that players that don't want to play against us is perfectly allowed to - we advertise if we're joining a game.

I could into details of why I think that those particular nations are now dead if you want and why certain of your nations are SS - they are all in game mechanics which I am happy to discuss see below.

You know where I am, so get off your high horses and come get me.

Actually I don't know who you are or which nation you are playing or that you are even in the game... :-) As a GM I could find out but that's against the rules - which I abide by. If you think I am cheating please directly state your reasons for thinking so and contact the office and complain to them as it would be completely unfair for any GM to have an advantage in that manner. If you are not in the game then I find that somewhat unusual behaviour but will take you on your word that you are the CL in game 52.

In all seriousness if you feel that I am cheating you should address the situation to me off list and I will have to consider if I can play on in the game - as it is damaging to the game if I stay in.

I assure you that I am not and can justify the reasons (eg BS capital in the hands of the FK, no Dragon Lord characters in play that I recall - ditto for WK, IK losing two capitals this turn and we think out because of it but we'll confirm this turn - XXXX player doing a 215 and 920 order.... SS orders I think). I don't know if the Dog Lord is out - pretty close to if he isn't. 14,17,18,19,21,25 are clearly active though. :-) Oh Yeh Rhudaur as well - well he's well dead.

I'm here to have a good time and enjoy the game - something that I particularly love playing. But I also realise my situation as a GM here so am very cautious as to public opinion.

Unfortunately an attempt to bring the game to an end (I think it's all over in 5 turns for example at most) and enjoy a bit of banter with the opposition seems to have blown up in my and Middle Earth's face, for which you have my apologies.

Clint (player and GM)

[KIZERSOZI]

Okay i feel a group hug comeing on here!! except for Don im not hugging him he smells funny.
L.R.

[FrightfulTales]

Unlike some of the message boards frequenters here who find the time to view the going ons of games outside their own playing, I only post on games in which I participate, or in response to general game questions to which I have an answer. I am indeed the CL in game 52, and will continue to be until the FP find a way to oust me from my position. I think most veteran MEPBM players know full well when the time to concede a game is. Some may choose to ignore that time, but that is their decision. When this game feels out of our hands, perhaps we will consider bowing to your numeric advantage, but as I stated earlier, 11:8 ratio as you put it, where the HA is reeling the DS clearly have a character quality and effectiveness advantage is hardly an unfair match, so play on, and see if you can get us out of the game the old fashioned way, earn it.

Chris
Cloud Lord Game 52

[Clint]

Serious question: What about your concerns about me cheating? Do you think that is the case? If not then we can go back to the blagging and the usual in game stuff - my preferred roosting post. :-)

However, if you do think I am cheating, then I will have to consider if I can continue playing in this game. As a point in my defence: I think that if I were cheating that I would have done something more with the agent action on the Eothraim... :-)

Chris please respond. Off list or on list is fine.

mbaa12@dial.pipex.com

Clint

[FrightfulTales]

Based on the relentless defense provided by posts on your behalf from other players, I will allow your actions to determine my final decision. If you choose to stay in this game, then I will accept your word that you have been forthright in ALL cases regarding information gathering methods, and that you have at NO point received any unauthorized information, either by your own devices, or through conversation floating in the air at your office. By the same token, I would expect you to take the appropriate action if you have come by any such information and withdraw yourself from this contest.

Chris
CL 52

[The Gray Man]

Chris, Clint,
I guess we should burry this at this time.
Immediately !

I think that none of Harley's-GMs will take advantage from their positions.

All is going fine for the DS of ME 52, the Free aren't able to realize this.

Let them talk about their chances to win, that's something we mustn't care about.

We know who will win, or not ?

Bye,

The Gray Man

[Clint]

"and that you have at NO point received any unauthorized information, either by your own devices, or through conversation floating in the air at your office."

No information has come my way to my knowledge - are you aware of any that I have? In the past I have players tell me information - despite telling them that I was in the game etc. Having GMed for over 10 years now I am able to remove such information and not act on it though - I just shut up and let the team decide then. :-) Unless there is anything else I'll leave it there as I prefer to get on with the planning of the demise of the DS in the game... :-)

Clint (GM and player)

[Khamul]

It was the combined forces of Northern Gondor, Sinda Elves and Dunlendings sat in the pub Monday evening that spotted the nation that had ss'ed. When a doubled character refuses and scouts a hex, one can be fairly certain that that nation has been special serviced. Unowned characters and characters turning up with strange nationalities also confirm nations deaths. If you want to hide the demise of nations dont send an Fire King army commanded by Regent Wodurishak up against Northern Gondor (turn 15), that just makes it too easy.

[The Gray Man]

and ..... ?

How did the story ends ?

[Don Palmer]

Hey Grey !

Our crystal ball thinks you are out now, too, unless you are playing more than just the Ice King, who seems to have melted down...

Don - Da Northman

[KIZERSOZI]

My My Don that has to be tamest abuse so far,
dont you have any other dramatic victorys to boast about ??
mmm let me see i guess not. Well as ever you can see we are
still here , still solid , and still causing you more harm than you
do to us rest assured we are happy with our kill rate and im sure
we will be next turn. Time to start looking for that ring maybe
before you finally lose all your top characters.
L.R.

[The Gray Man]

Hey Don Da Deadmen,
take a closer look into your crystal ball and maybe you'll see the truth.

Maybe the nation of the Deadmen isn't mage enough to use this crystal balls ?

The Grey Man

[Don Palmer]

Shorty and Grey,

I was wondering where you got off to - guess it took a day or two to digest the bad tidings of your turns.

As to my crystal ball, surely it does not work, as I don't have one ! Us lowly Northmen start with no artifacts, weak mages and are still in that position :)

Yep, you guys can still kill - I guess NG was the flavor of the month, as he put it. But we are resilient, and he is in nowhere near the shape the Eothraim were in.

Don - Da Northman

[KIZERSOZI]

Poor old Don
Finally you start to see reality at last and admit some truths
alas your poor nation is still shattered and ineffective.
Yes it took a while to digest the turn but glanceing through
the kills and pop losses i can assure you it was far from bad tidings. As for the killing yes it will continue even more deaths
i predict next turn, be as resilliant as you like but loseing
high ranking charachters will take its toll as we move closer
to victory already it would seem recruitment is somewhat down in the Gondors no?.Give our regards to the Harad by the way its been a long but inevitalble journey but is now at an end give him a MT by all means but his removal is almost complete he is just another shattered ineffective nation.

L.R.

[The Gray Man]

Don Da Deadmen,
so it wasn't you who used this crystal-ball ?

Looks like there are no skilled mages left in the row of the Freps !?

The Gray Man

[KIZERSOZI]

Well the results are in and what can we say about this turn
little freeps deffinately a better turn for us me thinks!!. But to be fair it wont always be going so well as your charachters as becoming harder and harder to find as they become thin on the ground.But we do so love chipping away your armies as they pass through mordors valleys of death do you think they will ever make it to where they are going before they catch the flu bug going around mordor.Whats up with your only decent mage/agent/emmi squad cold feet this turn? Mordor getting a bit to dangerous for them theese days? rest assured we will catch up with them eventually. Finally to dear old Don we havent forgotton you old enemy as you can see we are closer now to you than you ever could have hoped for.
L.R. Stronger than ever.

[Don Palmer]

Shorty,

Once again, I am flattered that you and Eastie think me worthy of your time and resources ! Indeed, your agents are and have been creating havoc. We will see whose side time is on as winter approaches, prices are rockbottom and production falls off even more - even those high rank characters cost you a pretty penny :)

Don - Da Northman

[KIZERSOZI]

ahhh you are so right Don change is in the air and it seems it will be a cold and bitter winter coming ahead which reminds me
as there are so few decent targets around worthy of my agents
blades i shall send them north to land of the rich Naldo and steal
to there hearts content and keep my coffers flowing with gold.
If you could arrange for a few more guards to be on duty as well as killing them and stealling gold in one move is such a great bonus(rip Thrar III).
L.R.

[Gixxer]

Yeah,
looks like there's not much gold to steal.

The Freeps are running out of gold !

Oh, redoutable Freeps armies.

I guess that's the " hordes" Clint promised.
These "hordes" are very expencive, right ?

So let them move and eat gold !

Ha, Ha ,Ha


Gixxxer

[KIZERSOZI]

Well freaks i mean freeps another turn sees your advantage
slip from your fingers and victory draw nearer for us
allow me to highlight the painfull facts for you this turn
2 capitols lost to us please be mercyfull and allow the NM and Harad to go now it is not right to see them suffer so.
Yet another killing spree for our agents and another i suspect next turn. Osgiliath now in our hands thats gotta hurt.
But what will you do to regain your advantage ? your little armies
running around mordor for 3 turns have achieved nothing but practice for our trainee curse squads no matter i think they wont be around soon. The hordes from Mordor are growing and soon this struggle will end me thinks.
L.R.

[Gixxer]

Heyja,
looks like Don da dead Northman has lost his speech ?

Hey, it doesn't looks so bad for you guys.
Sometimes Kizzi is exxaggerating a little bit !

You still have a more or less intact Arthedain.

That's something you can use to build your defence.

Heyja Clint,
where are your hordes ?

Some of them has eaten sand instead of food, I've heard.

I hope it was digestible !

Ha, ha , ha

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Don Palmer]

Dark foes,

I am still here. You need a little more than taking out my obvious backup capitol to be rid of me. Gix, I thought you said
you weren't playing Corsair anymore ?! Looks like you fibbed
again, and finally figured out movement orders :)

Darkies, you are indeed resolute. It is now time on the Freep camp for us to stand up and be counted as to our commitment.
We will all see what becomes of this in the next few turns...

Don - Da Northman

[Jill Indur]

Hey Don da dead Northmen,
why do you call me Gixxxer?

Don't you remember, you threatend me that if I was not going to join your side you will finish me up with your agents and emissaries? Too bad you failed to take back Kas Shafra, now there's one one MT left which will be mine mine mine.
Good bye Harad

Jill
aka Sanga

[Gixxer]

Hey Don-Da-Dead-Northman,

Corsairs ? Me ?

Hey, you're disappointing me !
I'm a real Darky and not a pirate trying to cause sensation with his or better her Caribbean ( or better Haradian ? ) adventures.

That's something for the movie !

Haven't told you that I'm playing C..... anymore, never played C.....! No, no ! No lies !!

Played WK, but some turns age you were able to take out this powerfull nation with its one MT and three chars !

Am I playing this game or am I not playing it, that's the question !

Oh, I have to hurry a little bit, I have to kidnapp some children before dinner !

Ha, Ha, Ha ... Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[KIZERSOZI]

As you can see Don we devious DS move in mysterious ways.
It is no use trying keep track of who is who in this team, we like to keep you guessing and confused and it seems to be working.
But at least our team is visable and posting regularly here unlike
the freep team. Odd that the weakest nation speaks with the biggest fighting spirit good job they arent all like you or we DS
would have something to fear, as it is thier absence speaks volumes and as you say the next few turns for the freep will
be vital , are you unified enough for the task? ....i think not.
but i could be wrong let us put it to the test see if you can get 3 of your 'committed' team mates to post on here as we DS grow
weary of the same big threats from the smallest threat.
L.R.

[Gixxer]

Hey Kizzi,
you forgot Clint !

I think he's one of them and he's posting from time to time.

Don't you remember his postings like " It will take two turn and you will be out of the game " or " Our giant hordes will overrun you soon ".

You must remember him. Clint the oracle from Cardiff !

( Stranger be warned, you shouldn't consult this oracle, it's prejudiced and will always tell you that the Freps will win in two or three turns ).

Don't ignore the warning ! Meanwhile I hear this words for more than 10 turns and we're still playing !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[The Gray Man]

Greetings Piratess and Gentlemen,
what's about me ?

I'm Free, but I'm not a Frep so I must be a DS !

The Gray Man

[KIZERSOZI]

Well yes Gix your right Clint did used to post but that was a long, long time ago and then again it was more idle threats from a defeated nation, its been so long his posts have become but a distant memory as has the Eothraim, i wonder if Dons posts
will fade away aswell when we finish him off sooner than he thinks?.
L.R.

[Gixxer]

Heyja Kizzi,
I guess it was in August when we heard the last words from the oracle of Cardiff.
Must have been after his Eothraim-period or he's still playing.

Who cares, with or without him the Free will disappear from Middleearth, so it's written ( or better said, hä hä I have my own oracle ! )

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[KIZERSOZI]

Well freeps turn 32 sees the balance of power shift further our way. Your 11-8 advantage does not seem to be helping you.
I wonder what the odds are for a freep victory are this week surely not still 70%. Let us see the review for this week
The Harad finally removed completely from the south(respect from
this nazgul to the harad player-truly a dedicated tough chap to beat). Another large killing spree for us -plse note our curse squads work yours seem lacking.The gondor decline continues and it would seem the battle front has moved away from mordor
to mirkwood. Interesting times indeed
L.R.

[Gixxer]

Hey Kizzi,
Yep they're 11 against 8 !

And ....

Fact is that Mordor will be cleaned-up of FP-icons next turn !
That's the first step !

Ha, Ha, and this Freps-Icons won't appear so soon again .

Yes, we know some of your hordes are trying to pass the Ithil.

We will see if they're able to cross it !?

I guess not ! Ha, Ha !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[KIZERSOZI]

ahhh Gix you give theese freep fools to much credit 2 armies
with 1200 each in them hardly constitutes a horde now does it
perhaps they want to attack a few camps with them.It does seem
a long way for the duns and cardys to come just to die in the pass though ahh well the losses for them will continue i guess,
by the way has anyone seen a gondor army lately? forgotten
what they look like.
L.R.

[Gixxer]

Heyja Kizzi,
I guess the Gondorians aren't able to play with us !

NG tried to attack us, but now they've lost two MTs.
SG is looking for the perfect beach but haven't found it !
They're still sailing, I guess !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[KIZERSOZI]

Good to see you still have a tongue in your head Don even if you post in the wrong game room loseing 2 capitols is very disorientating so i understand. Well the struggle goes on i guess
but the noose is tightening thats for sure, i think the fact that the frontlines are now gondor and mirkwood speaks volumes rest assured they will not slip back to Mordor again. Time to take stock for you freeps and do the honorable thing either put up or
give up cos you aint doing much at the momment.
Adios for now
L.R.-Doesnt like people of northern origin.

[Gixxer]

Heyja Kizzi,
haven't surfed arround here for some time, so I'm not clear what you're talking about.

Don the Deadman posted in the wrong corner of the pin-board ?

Hooo, ME-gaming must be frustrating !

Hey, don't worry too much. The next turn will be the same as the turns before.

You'll have some chars killed and we will get some of your major pop-centers, nothing special.

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Don Palmer]

Darkites,

I am just tired of getting unregistered comments after I log in and type a witty reply, having to start over. It seems to happen all too often, like just now !

Don - Da Nimble, Strong, 3 MTown Northman

[Gixxer]

Don Da Deadman,
you're not talking about ME 52 ?!

Strong, 3 MTs ?

Must be a different game.

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[KIZERSOZI]

Poor ole Don has had to relocate caps so many times he seems
to have lost focus on what hes supposed to be doing, Dont worry
Don you have now become a financial burden on your team mates
so rest assured we will leave you alone from now on, besides there is so much fun to be had in the Gondors we really are quite
bored with squishing you.....for now!
L.R.


psFor your info im a DS Easterling in 223 so once again it is my duty to slap the Nman and to be honest im really getting a taste for it.I notice you are a DS in a few other games so dont deny yourself desert theese losing freeps and join us lol Adios amigo

[Gixxer]

Hey Kizzi,
don't give away too many details about our future-plans.

Could be possible that they will react !


Ha, Ha, Ha

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[FrightfulTales]

Don and whichever freeps are listening,

Gix and Kiser were having all of the fun on here, so I figured I would drop in. You freeps are still clinging onto your last "hold" in Mordor, but your time here is finally coming to a close. It brings a grin to my face to look back at your teams statistics for victory, and to see them dwindle away turn after turn. Will be a pity to see you all plead for your miserable lives as we burn through your homelands.

FrightfulTales, shooting for the century mark.

PS. --Hey Dunland, isn't there anything closer to home to attract your attention? It is truly a shame to waste a dragon like that..

[Gixxer]

Ah Frightful is back at the board !

and some more Freps-chars dead.

Looks like one of my agents likes chars with ELRO... in the name.
Hey Freps do you have some more Elronds, Elrohirs or Elrowhatever?

Would be nice to meet them !

Ha, Ha

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[KIZERSOZI]

More hurt for you poor freeps just how much more can you
take exactly?
As promised the front shifts away from Mordor and into Mirkwood
and it would seem to not go well for you either where does our
Easterling friend find all his cav armies from ?? who would of thought his scouts would make it to the woodman cap unchecked
surely it wont be so easy when the main force arrives.As for
your offensives well the cardo and duns continue to send thoose
small armies through the east pass to there certain death, will we ever see another gondor army comeing through?
What is the latest vote for you freeps to quit 6-5 maybe. Dont
worry after next turns results it could well finish you off me thinks.
L.R. here, there, everywhere.

[Gixxer]

Greetings Kizzy,
I guess we won't see NG-armies in this game anymore !

NG will be finished soon !

This won't take a long time.

Have Fun !

Gixxxer:D

[Don Palmer]

Darkites,

The game plods on. You guys have had the better of the
latest turns. But once we figure out how to coordinate, you will
feel our wrath... but wait, I guess we should have that figured out by Turn 33 :)

Don - Da Northman

[Gixxer]

Don - Da deadman,
looks like we had many better turns in the past !

Your team lost many chars last turn and what do you think we're doing the next turn ?! :D

The destruction of NG will go further on, there's nothing you can do against it !

Other nations will follow, I'm sure.


Ha, Ha, Ha


Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Gixxer]

" Once you'll figure out how to coordinate " ???!!!!

Sorry, but I must laugh.

32 turns and you aren't able to coordinate your actions !!!!

[Jill Indur]

They must be coordinated. Only Don left to play.


Jill - also known as Pirate Lady

[Gixxer]

Okay,
there is some coordination in Don's moves.

Won't help !


Ha, ha, ha !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Gixxer]

Hey !

Looks like I'll become a "self-entertainer" and the voice of the Free has died !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Gixxer]

Hey Deadman,
we're killing your chars, we're getting your pops what else can we do !

NG is down on their knees, a little bit different to the movie.

NG will die next turn and SG will follow !

Ha, Ha, Ha !

Gixxxer

[FrightfulTales]

Hey Northmen, or any other FP's who actually read here,

Hey are you guys just real busy after the turn of the year, or are you planning a quiet abandonment of Middle Earth to the Lords of Mordor? T'would be a shame after all the time you spent generating the spread for this title fight to withdraw from it now, but I guess the inevitable gloom of defeat may be too much for you to handle.

FrightfulTales
Cloud Lord Game 52

[Gixxer]

Greetings Chris,
Don Da Deadman isn't playing this game anymore.

Looks like we need to talk to ourselfs !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Phil Vogel]

Haven't we been doing that for awhile? Maybe that was just me?

That's right, we were supposed to have died during winter. Maybe they're waiting for that to happen. Uh, that could tak awhile with our economies chugging along. Maybe next year?

Fire King ( I'm still here )

[Gixxer]

Phil,
the Free People will die, but no DS !

That's written in The Book of the Real Rage.


Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Gixxer]

Greeting Arthedain 73,
looks like you're following me !

I'm not sure who is playing on the Freps-side, could be that they're still plaing. It's not so interesting for me.

At the moment I'm only interested to bring this game to a worthy end and this will be the victory of the DS.

We're working on it !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Gixxer]

Originally posted by Clint
Hello DS

Would you mind passing this onto your team-mates?

We now have: 11,12,15,24 and probably 16 dead on your team. It also looks like your team is missing turns - a big sign of a game about to be lost. No defence in North Mordor or Ithil Pass AND we have a massive horde descending into Mordor ready to take the remaining pcs there. A few Emis causing some annoyance but that's about it all.

You've given us a good run and an excellent game but care to concede gracefully so that we can all move onto pastures greener?

Clint

Ha, Ha, Ha !

Okay you've eleminated some of us and .. ?

What happened ?

You haven't got the major-pops in Mordor !

Au contraire !

You've lost NG and we won't stop !

Your armies are frozen or better let's say stunned at the Ithil.
No chance for this armies.

We're taking your major-pops turn by turn.
We're killing your coms, emis and agents.
What else can we do ?

Looks like the oracle from Cardiff haven't told you the truth !

You're running out of major-pops.

I don't think that you're able to win this game.

Gixxxer isn't an oracle, but I'm able to add one to one !

It's two and your death !

Ha, Ha, Ha !

The Dog Lord

Gixxxer

[Gixxer]

Now it's written !

The outnumbered DS have won this game !

Have fun with future games !

Gixxxer

[88 Noldo]

Will one of the FP in this game please explain what happened? As the DS gleeful point out the FP had this all but sewed up and they stumbled. How? Why? Team dessention? Poor leadership?

[Gixxer]

Noldo 88,
are you involved into this game ?

You need to know why we've won this game.

The answer is simple : better team-gaming !

Clint and all the others promised us that we will lose this game and what happened ?

We were able to break the loop they've tied arround us !

We used our chars to do more damage and that's it.

We had a plan, but we can't fullfill it.

Now we've won, that's all I need !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Phil Vogel]

Noldo 88,

Tides turn, they did in this game, several times.

Our team play is what did it for us. Everything from coordinating assassinations to sharing gold and pops.

For example: Cloudy had 90+ kills. We all had decent assassins in the end. We should of, could of, would have been defeated, but we didn't give up. They played a very good game, though sporadic at times. Our experienced players helped us immensely ( especially myself). Good luck and good gaming.

Phil Nuke'm All - No need for night lights then.

[Clint]

Clint and all the others promised us that we will lose this game and what happened ?

Not quite a promise I think you'll find... :-) Congratulations to the DS for pulling the fat out of the fire - looks like excellent co-ordination. Too many new players missing turns and lack of co-ordination and a major improvement in DS play. I decided that after players considered that I might be playing unfairly, let us say, that it be best if I get out of the game and someone took the Noldo a few turns ago.

In 90% of the games I would say the FP should have won but looks like the DS improved (probably got some take-ups for dropped nations I would guess?)

Despite a 3:2 split of Neutrals to the DS the FP was in the ascendancy for most of the game but lost it. :-(

Like I said congratulations to the DS - awesome recovery btw - worthy of a Grudge team level of co-ordination... :-) Hopefully see you in another game so that I can wreak my revengeeeee.... :-)

Clint (player)

[Gixxer]

Greetings Clint,
yep some take-ups!

My wife and me we've taken up Corsairs and Dog-Lord.

But, ....

It wasn't necessary to tell this team a lot of stuff.

Only some hints on directions, that was it.

It was a great team and I enjoyed to play with them.
ME 52 was the most exciting game, I've ever played.

We had a real end-game, something I'm missing in this 10-turn games.

You'll see this "Grudge team level of coordination" again.

We formed a grudge team and many players of this game have joined it.

The "remains" of ME 52 are able to play blind together and they hadn't needed a captain who told them in detail what to do.

Next game I'll concentrate myself on coordinating them.

Will be an interesting game against Brian Mason.

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Gixxer]

Hopefully see you in another game so that I can wreak my revengeeeee.... :-)

Clint (player) [/B][/QUOTE]

You need a revenge, ask Brian Mason !

I know Brian's team is complete.

I would play in a revenge-game but not as a captain.

Only for fun ( if I'm able to do that ) !

Gixxxer

[Gixxer]

Clint,
do you need to play a revenge game ?

I'm interested !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Clint]

Not at present but thanks for the offer - I'm in too many games and I wasn't particularly happy with the way that 52 went in respect to many issues... Partially what I should have done as a player within the team and other items as well :-)

Clint (player)

[Gixxer]

Greetings Clint,
only a player in the team ?

There's a lot you can do !

Good gaming !

Gixxxer