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John Simpson

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

> > By the way, I think charging people extra because they have a
> > non-Microsoft operating system (eg Linux) is extremely unfair.

I've seen lots of negative things from none Windows users. All I can say is
please wait for MEOW. Until we have seen this then you may well have a
perfectly simple solution. So stop moaning until you see the final product.
I assume that Clint & friends have no intention of increasing prices until
MEOW is up and running and suitable for all.

John Simpson

Tim Franklin

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

On Sunday 07 April 2002 10:16 am, you wrote:
> > > By the way, I think charging people extra because they have a
> > > non-Microsoft operating system (eg Linux) is extremely unfair.
>
> I've seen lots of negative things from none Windows users. All I can say is
> please wait for MEOW. Until we have seen this then you may well have a
> perfectly simple solution. So stop moaning until you see the final product.
> I assume that Clint & friends have no intention of increasing prices until
> MEOW is up and running and suitable for all.

I *have* asked about MEOW's cross-platform-ness, repeatedly, and been met
with a deafening silence?

Clint, *is* it going to be cross-platform? If not, what's it written in, and
would you be able / willing to release the source to people interested in
doing ports to other OSes? Even if both the answers are "no", it'd be nice
to know...

Regards,
Tim.

Sun Apr*7,*2002 7:03*am
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John Simpson
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Apr*7,*2002 4:16*am



Re: Automagic none windows

.... I *have* asked about MEOW's cross-platform-ness, repeatedly, and been met with a deafening silence? Clint, *is* it going to be cross-platform? If not,...

Tim Franklin
pelicantime

Apr*7,*2002 7:03*am



Re: Automagic none windows

John, ... I would totally agree with you - were it not for the fact that the price increases will take effect from April 29th. As far as I am aware MEOW will...

loraelin

Apr*7,*2002 10:24*am



Re: Automagic none windows

.... Clint can answer for himself, but when I was talking with Clint about it last year, it was being written in Delphi. That being the case, it could be...

Jason Bennett
enajasonab

Apr*7,*2002 1:34*pm



Re: Automagic none windows

.... I'm not at all familiar with Kylix or Delphi, but if that's the case at least there is a *possibility* of getting my platform supported. It's a bit ...

Tim Franklin
pelicantime

Apr*7,*2002 3:05*pm



Re: Automagic none windows

.... We can't support every platform. For example postal players have a worst service than email players. MEOW will deal with most platforms - specifically...

Middle Earth PBM Games
harlequingam...

Apr*7,*2002 5:34*pm



Suggestion for Automagic non-windows

Dear all, I'm a Mac user and I have learned to live with that. The system you run is your free choice, but you must learn to live with whichever limitations...

Giuliano Menegazzi
feiticeirocego

Apr*8,*2002 2:44*am



Re: Suggestion for Automagic non-windows

.... Replying to myself on this: why do I put up with such costly turns? Because I LOVE playing with you all, boys and girls!!! ... Giuliano....

Giuliano Menegazzi
feiticeirocego

Apr*8,*2002 2:52*am



Re: Suggestion for Automagic non-windows

If anyone wants to create other versions of the program that create a format that we can use for auto-inputting that is fine with us. We do need to check it...

Middle Earth PBM Games
harlequingam...

Apr*8,*2002 10:19*am



Re: Automagic none windows

.... I agree that Clint underestimated his constituency. I think the combination of introducing the program with the price increases hit some people hard. If...

Jason Bennett
enajasonab

Apr*7,*2002 4:15*pm



Re: Automagic none windows

Good point -I'll give this some consideration and get back to you in a while. I am about to take some time off work so it won't be for a few weeks and then I...

Middle Earth PBM Games
harlequingam...

Apr*7,*2002 5:40*pm



Re: Automagic none windows

Hi, Clint wrote ... ... Automagic ... If MEPBM Games can assure us that no prices rises will be brought in before MEOW (a program which can run on Windows,...

loraelin

Apr*8,*2002 3:12*am



MEOW..sounds like whining, cue the bagpipes...

.... Clint has said a number of times that prices are rising, and justly so. He has also said a number of times that the company is producing (at their cost) a...

Player
pbmnoot

Apr*8,*2002 3:41*am



Re: MEOW..sounds like whining, cue the bagpipes...

Brad, Please don't accuse me of whining. I've already said I have no problem with the concept of price rises. As a PBM GM myself I fully appreciate how...

loraelin

Apr*8,*2002 5:22*am



Re: MEOW..sounds like whining, cue the bagpipes...

.... tongue in cheek. i'm mr. exagerate. cheers. bb.

Jason Bennett

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

Tim Franklin wrote:

> Clint, *is* it going to be cross-platform? If not, what's it written in, and
> would you be able / willing to release the source to people interested in
> doing ports to other OSes? Even if both the answers are "no", it'd be nice
> to know...

Clint can answer for himself, but when I was talking with Clint about it
last year, it was being written in Delphi. That being the case, it could
be recompiled with Kylix, but I can't speak for Macs.'

As for the other complaining on the list about having to use the
program, I think it's misplaced. Yes, using a basic text editor is a
fine way to input orders. That said, I think it's to ME's advantage to
automate the submission of orders. Everyone wins when that occurs,
especially new players. It saves a lot more time and trouble for them
and the ME than it will ever cost experienced players.

jason

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Tim Franklin

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

On Sunday 07 April 2002 7:34 pm, you wrote:

> Clint can answer for himself, but when I was talking with Clint about it
> last year, it was being written in Delphi. That being the case, it could
> be recompiled with Kylix, but I can't speak for Macs.'

I'm not at all familiar with Kylix or Delphi, but if that's the case at least
there is a *possibility* of getting my platform supported. It's a bit
disappointing if it still leaves Mac users out in the cold.

> As for the other complaining on the list about having to use the
> program, I think it's misplaced. Yes, using a basic text editor is a
> fine way to input orders. That said, I think it's to ME's advantage to
> automate the submission of orders. Everyone wins when that occurs,
> especially new players. It saves a lot more time and trouble for them
> and the ME than it will ever cost experienced players.

I've got no bones about the use of an order editor - I think it's a great
idea, as long the manual options remain available for those who don't like it.

I've got no issue with the price rises - Clint and co do an absolutely
first-class job, and deserve to be able to make a reasonable living out of it.

I don't like the way non-Windows users seem to be being passed over with the
goodies, and forced to pay extra at the same time :(

Regards,
Tim.

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.... I've seen lots of negative things from none Windows users. All I can say is please wait for MEOW. Until we have seen this then you may well have a ...

John Simpson
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Apr*7,*2002 4:16*am



Re: Automagic none windows

.... I *have* asked about MEOW's cross-platform-ness, repeatedly, and been met with a deafening silence? Clint, *is* it going to be cross-platform? If not,...

Tim Franklin
pelicantime

Apr*7,*2002 7:03*am



Re: Automagic none windows

John, ... I would totally agree with you - were it not for the fact that the price increases will take effect from April 29th. As far as I am aware MEOW will...

loraelin

Apr*7,*2002 10:24*am



Re: Automagic none windows

.... Clint can answer for himself, but when I was talking with Clint about it last year, it was being written in Delphi. That being the case, it could be...

Jason Bennett
enajasonab

Apr*7,*2002 1:34*pm



Re: Automagic none windows

.... I'm not at all familiar with Kylix or Delphi, but if that's the case at least there is a *possibility* of getting my platform supported. It's a bit ...

Tim Franklin
pelicantime

Apr*7,*2002 3:05*pm



Re: Automagic none windows

.... We can't support every platform. For example postal players have a worst service than email players. MEOW will deal with most platforms - specifically...

Middle Earth PBM Games
harlequingam...

Apr*7,*2002 5:34*pm



Suggestion for Automagic non-windows

Dear all, I'm a Mac user and I have learned to live with that. The system you run is your free choice, but you must learn to live with whichever limitations...

Giuliano Menegazzi
feiticeirocego

Apr*8,*2002 2:44*am



Re: Suggestion for Automagic non-windows

.... Replying to myself on this: why do I put up with such costly turns? Because I LOVE playing with you all, boys and girls!!! ... Giuliano....

Giuliano Menegazzi
feiticeirocego

Apr*8,*2002 2:52*am



Re: Suggestion for Automagic non-windows

If anyone wants to create other versions of the program that create a format that we can use for auto-inputting that is fine with us. We do need to check it...

Middle Earth PBM Games
harlequingam...

Apr*8,*2002 10:19*am



Re: Automagic none windows

.... I agree that Clint underestimated his constituency. I think the combination of introducing the program with the price increases hit some people hard. If...

Jason Bennett
enajasonab

Apr*7,*2002 4:15*pm



Re: Automagic none windows

Good point -I'll give this some consideration and get back to you in a while. I am about to take some time off work so it won't be for a few weeks and then I...

Middle Earth PBM Games
harlequingam...

Apr*7,*2002 5:40*pm



Re: Automagic none windows

Hi, Clint wrote ... ... Automagic ... If MEPBM Games can assure us that no prices rises will be brought in before MEOW (a program which can run on Windows,...

loraelin

Apr*8,*2002 3:12*am



MEOW..sounds like whining, cue the bagpipes...

.... Clint has said a number of times that prices are rising, and justly so. He has also said a number of times that the company is producing (at their cost) a...

Player
pbmnoot

Apr*8,*2002 3:41*am



Re: MEOW..sounds like whining, cue the bagpipes...

Brad, Please don't accuse me of whining. I've already said I have no problem with the concept of price rises. As a PBM GM myself I fully appreciate how...

loraelin

Apr*8,*2002 5:22*am



Re: MEOW..sounds like whining, cue the bagpipes...

.... tongue in cheek. i'm mr. exagerate. cheers. bb.

Jason Bennett

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

Tim Franklin wrote:
> On Sunday 07 April 2002 7:34 pm, you wrote:

> I don't like the way non-Windows users seem to be being passed over
> with the goodies, and forced to pay extra at the same time :(

I agree that Clint underestimated his constituency. I think the
combination of introducing the program with the price increases hit some
people hard. If people had gotten used to the program before the
increases were mentioned, it might have been easier.

jason

--
Jason Bennett, jasonab@...
Software developer, cryptography buff, gamer
Believer in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord

Middle Earth PBM Games

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

>
>I don't like the way non-Windows users seem to be being passed over with the
>goodies, and forced to pay extra at the same time :(

We can't support every platform. For example postal players have a worst
service than email players.

MEOW will deal with most platforms - specifically being designed for
such. (I'll update you with that information in a later email).

In the same way we need to streamline things here. Automating turn entry
will keep costs down.

Do players agree that an automated system of turn entry (ie one that takes
us less work) is preferable?

If so - how do we encourage players to use it compared with us inputting
the orders by hand? (We send an autoreceipt for email turns for example,
but postal and fax players don't get that "service").

What's the answer?

Clint

Middle Earth PBM Games

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

Good point -I'll give this some consideration and get back to you in a
while. I am about to take some time off work so it won't be for a few
weeks and then I can chat about it more in detail. Sometimes I wish I
could get feedback on projects without any of the pain involved...
:-) Provisionally I intend to delay price changes until we get Automagic
and MEOW working to my satisfaction.

Clint

> > I don't like the way non-Windows users seem to be being passed over
> > with the goodies, and forced to pay extra at the same time :(
>
>I agree that Clint underestimated his constituency. I think the
>combination of introducing the program with the price increases hit some
>people hard. If people had gotten used to the program before the
>increases were mentioned, it might have been easier.

Tim Franklin

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

Middle Earth PBM Games <me@...> wrote:

>We can't support every platform. For example postal players have a worst
>service than email players.

Agreed, but 'have email' is a nice generic requirement that players can meet in whatever of many ways suits them best. 'Run Windows' is a bit more specific :)

>MEOW will deal with most platforms - specifically being designed for
>such. (I'll update you with that information in a later email).

Excellent, I'll wait to see the details.

>In the same way we need to streamline things here. Automating turn entry
>will keep costs down.
>
>Do players agree that an automated system of turn entry (ie one that takes
>us less work) is preferable?

Of course. To be honest, I was pretty amazed to find out you were doing manual entry from emails at all - certainly can't blame you for wanting to get rid of that!

>If so - how do we encourage players to use it compared with us inputting
>the orders by hand? (We send an autoreceipt for email turns for example,
>but postal and fax players don't get that "service").
>
>What's the answer?

I don't think people use email just for the acknowledgement service :) It's more convenient than post - if the order entry program is more convenient still, I believe people will use it.

It really *should* be more convenient - I'm sure noone likes memorizing / looking-up order codes - but if it requires effort or expense in terms of other software to run it, it's not so convenient any more.

My personal view is that you should publish the format needed by the auto-input program (or confirm the one already posted elsewhere). Then people could use your order entry program, write their own software, or even generate the right format by hand, and you win every way.

At that point I believe a price premium for processing 'free-form' text orders is fine, as everyone at least has the opportunity to use the auto-input route. Not that I'd be against an across-the-board price rise anyway, you guys deserve to make a living...

Regards,
Tim.

Middle Earth PBM Games

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

Not 100% sure what we are doing here - but very likely to have no disparity
in charges for Automagic players and other players.

Clint

>Hi,
>Clint wrote ...
>
> > Provisionally I intend to delay price changes until we get
>Automagic
> > and MEOW working to my satisfaction.
>
>If MEPBM Games can assure us that no prices rises will be brought in
>before MEOW (a program which can run on Windows, Linux and Mac OS')
>then I suspect the shouting will stop.
>
>MEPBM price rise? No problem - the game and the service offered is
>worth the extra money. The problem is the iniquity of offering a
>price discount to some people dependant on the operating system used
>by their computer.
>
>Please say whether this will be the case. Then say it again.
>
>Colin
>
>
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Middle Earth PBM Games

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

If anyone wants to create other versions of the program that create a
format that we can use for auto-inputting that is fine with us. We do need
to check it though before we give it the sign of approval and support it.

Clint

>Now, I have one last suggestion to Mike which could bring some extent of a
>solution to this Automagic issue. From what I have read, the order formulas
>seem to work fine on any system (please Linux users, can you confirm this?),
>what if Mike created a new sheet which would have the Automagic-formatted
>text, presented as pute text in one-single cell so as to avoid problems with
>copying and pasting tables? This way, even if the visualbasic/activex
>components are not usable, one could still mail the properly formatted
>orders to MEPBM, instead of trying to reproduce manually the format which
>would certaimly lead to mistakes with all those quotes and commas.

Kevin

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

Colin wrote....(or did he)

The problem is the iniquity of offering a price discount to some people
dependant on the operating system used by their computer.
>

Did I read that right?
Iniquity!!! INIQUITY!

Colin, your secret is out. You're Laurence in disguise?
While you're at it, you forgot to mention the 'iniquitous' 5% credit card
surcharge.

:-)

Stefan Maas

2nd February 2008, 12:02 PM

Greetings Guys

What is going on?
First you start a game....
Then some of you cheat...
Then the game does not run good for you and you drop the game on turn 6

Let me ask you one question
Why do you play MePBM if you are such bad losers?
Guys like you kill the fun in Me-PBM....

Hope to be never in a game together with you because it would be a bad pain in the ass for me

Don´t take care

Stefan