Game 91 Turn 0

[Gensol]

Hey all,

Welcome to a new game of love, hate, war and peas!

The Northmen wish luck and skill to all. Let's make this a fun one. All you neutrals who want to get in touch please do so.

My email is olwe_vz@hotmail.com

Let's get some communication going gents!

Eoder of the Northmen.

[The Realm]

Dunlendings will now accept emissairs from all over Middle Earth.



Good luck to all!!

[Gixxer]

Greetings Warlords,
Haradwaith are checking in.

Where are the DS and the other Free-people ?

Only the Northman is speaking, this should be improved a little bit !

I want to have fun with this game and this means communication too.

GKille@web.de

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Scott W]

Greeting Great Lords of Middle Earth

North Gondor here. My buddy is Running South Gondor and we wish to open a comunication line with the rest of Middle Earth. Clint says both teams are mostly first timers. Let hope we all buddy up and make this one interesting.

Scott W
wilburj@ohsu.edu

[Gensol]

The quest for freedom thus begins. I look forward to chatting with people on both sides of the fence. Let's have a good game guys and gals!

Eoder of the Northmen

[Gixxer]

Yeah, let's chat !

Harad and Northman are doing so.

Where's the rest ?

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Big Bad Bain]

Oh no not Gixxer-----------

The Dog Lord Checking in.

Bow Wow

p.s. don't let my user name fool you

p.s.s gensol I see we are adverserys yet again

Matt
AKA BIG BAD BAIN

[Gensol]

Hey there 'lil Bow Wow,

Now you get to sic your wyrm pets on my armies. Should be an interesting game to say the least.

Hey Gixxxer,

Your my kind of people. Let's take out those punks in Mordor. Swift kick in the pants for all!

Eoder the l33t!

[Khamul]

Easterlings can be contacted at

lewismorton@lineone.net

Some of the names I have seen before, indeed some I have played alongside before. Greetings to all who don't know me, no preconceptions, I wish to join the side that offers the either the most co-operation, the most fun, the best communication or possibly the least enemies. Let the war begin!

Lewis

[Gixxer]

[B]Oh no not Gixxer-----------

The Dog Lord Checking in.

Bow Wow

Yeah Wau-Wau-Lord,
here's the dog-catcher.

Don't fear, I'm Neutral and I will it be further on for some time.

Good gaming !

Gixxxer

[Big Bad Bain]

Hey Gixxer


Dont trust the words of the North Man he is just a puppet of the elves and a manuplator of the free markets. He gets rich and keeps the common man poor. Join our side and get an equal share of the gold and of the Horse Flesh




Dwar

Bow-Wow

[Gensol]

Puppet my arse! Don't listen to him guys! You neutrals want to join us goods. It looks a lot better on your resume when you say you "Helped little old ladies cross the street." Not, "Helped little old ladies get paved into the street."

Besides, we have better looking women on our sides! ;)

Eoder

[Big Bad Bain]

Bah!!

Your resume, who needs a resume It's obvious that Eoder wants you to work FOR! him. If you join the DS you will be one of us Part of a team.

As for the FP's "good looking Women" What chance do you have with them. If you join us you could have any Elf wench that we capture.

Dwar

Woof

[Zombie Rot]

Well Well Well, look at all the wonderfull people here......

Perhaps I should introduce meself as well.

Greetings to all from Barad Ungul.

Let not the silvered tongues of the free sway any whom wish to parley with all sides first, for many past have been bedazzled by empty words & cheap trinkets offered by emissaries of those proclaiming to be good.

Hear me now! Gondor shall burn at my feet & the white city shall fall! Tarandor will be my boot lick & Celdrahil my jester as the armies of Sauron march to victory!

Join us in ridding Middle Earth of these false leaders of men. Together we can toast victory & watch their corpses rot where they fall.

Victory through Fire & Sword!!!

Ren the Insane

[leonidas]

:confused:

Whoa, back up the truck whacko DS! What kind of garbage propaganda are you trying to pull? You claim that you'll accept the Neutrals as equals and we'll use them as slaves. Hmm. We are the FREE Peoples, you're the Dark SERVANTS. We labor with our allies not through them, and share all spoils and profits of war. The best the Neutrals can hope for from the flunkies of Sauron is scraps while being bossed around by clowns with names like Dog Lord and Fire King!

As for our women, they are hotties. The DS are just jealous they have no game with the ladies. Dwar, we're definitely NOT interested in your "Doggie style". As for Ren the "Unclean", nobody wants your "Fire". Go to the urology clinic, and maybe we'll talk later, stud.

Nimrodel,
Sinda Queen
Beautiful Badass for All Eternity

[Zombie Rot]

Ahhh my most 'beautiful' Nimrodel, you certainly are confused. The Servants of Sauron welcome those nations willing to join us with open arms & equal stauture while the 'Free' nations always wring their hands & cry woe is us, please help us, we're the good guys ( or girls ), we are righteous, we are free, we can't do it without you because their bad.

Alas my pretty elf, once we meet, your beauty shall be enhanced as I favor an elf of burnt hair & scorched flesh hanging from my walls for all to enjoy! The unclean title is from the stench of all those proclaiming to be free - hanging there, rotting in the heat. A wonderful smell, one gets use to when one thinks about it. Thine enemy dead upon the wall. Consider this your fate Nimrodel, anything lesss would be unkind.

Ren the Insane

[whip]

The gates of Cameth Brin are open to envoys from all nations. Rumors of war abound, the men of Rhudaur await tidings.

Good luck to everyone!

promaine@macdermid.com

[lionatus]

Greetings warlords of Middle earth. The Corsairs welcome ay and all emmisaries to entreat with the masters of the sea.

lionatus@madasafish.com

Alan J.

[dranob]

Ice, Ice, Baby...

Can't let my FireKing cousin hog ALL the spotlight. We are two sides of the coin, you see. While he is a blazing effigy, I am cool, calm, and collected. Nimrodel, you can't hold a candle to me when it comes to turning a cold shoulder. :)

We are SERVANTS, indeed - for we have a purpose and serve a higher power... namely, "power" itself. Be powerful, not free. Free is what you get when wearing boxer shorts... or a dress. Free is a bunch of nebulous college nerds who try smoking Gondorian weed for the first time in the privacy of their beat-up Volkswagen Chariot. Free is the FOURTH best word in the language today, falling behind, evil, dark, and cool, like me.

Don't be fourth best, be a power, be all you can be, just be yourself, but be Dark... we would love to have you.

Mwah hah hah!!

[Gensol]

Boo!

It's not turn 0 anymore but I do look forward to playing with the LoR cav army. Where oh where could it be?!?

Come and play with me Uvatha!

(Not in that way you silly little man. I prefer Nimrodels over Nimrods.)

How did everyones turn go? Well I hope. Let's have some more fun!

Kris.

Eoder the Cuddly

[Pfendi]

Hi everyone!

Woodmen is here to say hello to everyone! It is turn one and already people are picking on me, why did the Witch King send troops to my lovely town to be slaughtered? Not a nice move :-).

I am soooo nice to everyone.

Dear Neutrals I am sorry that I can offer so little to you except maybe after I have a chance to plunder the Witch King I can offer you all his nice artefacts and towns.

Cheers,

Martin / Woodmen

[Big Bad Bain]

Hey Eoder


You want some cav to play with I can arange that.
Dwar

Bow Wow

[Gixxer]

Greetings Warlords,
I lost all my data due to a severe computer-problem.

Would you be so kind to contact me with your private-mail-address again ?

Would be nice !

Bye, Gerhard
( aka Gixxxer, Harad )

[Gensol]

Hey Bain! Don't make threats you can't follow up. If you want your cav to have some fun just try and tackle Barlin with his 300 archers! He's 00b3r!

Hey Gixxer,

Triple X was a good guy in the movie. I guess that means you have to come to my rescue huh? :D

Eoder the Nervous.

[Gixxer]

Tripple X,
sometimes Free People, sometimes DS.

This game ?


Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[dranob]

Oh the weather outside is frightful, but the fires are so delightful.
The lights are turned way down low, let it snow, let it snow, let it snow...

Bah! Who let this fall to page 2? Obviously some of those Gondorian weed-smokers I spoke of earlier!

So far (and it's only been what, 1 turn? ) the little "game" is shaping up nicely. So often, wars turn friends against friends and that, my friends, is sad. Does that make sense? No... BUT what DOES make sense is my personal offer to the neutrals.

The Fire King and I have come to an agreement - he will provide the hot beach, I will provide the frosty beverages! "Come back to Mordor, see old and see new. Come back to Mordor, we're waiting for you."

Remember... war is hell. Vacations are not. Let the Fire and Ice King help you on your vacation plans! :)

[Gixxer]

Dranob,
if you will be able to send some ice-cooled beers to Harad, I'll be glad.

Meanwhile I hate mocca, tea and sand.

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[lionatus]

Corsairs checking back in. We want timber or your ships. Any offers, oodles of gold going here?

Apart from that recruiting away merrily and posting camps cos we aint got no beachtowels. ;-)

Lionatus - herald of Umbar

[Scott W]

er ah ha ha ha. Good weed. Lots of dead orcs, ha ha.


NGo

[Gensol]

Hey Gixxer,

Join us Free Peeps and I will give you Beawyn for a night! :D

Errr...actually I think I might have to pay you for that one eh? Haha...

Hey Big Bad Breath, or I mean Bain?! What happened to your cavalry? Did it decide to take root on the plains and not move? We were looking forward to having a party with it. My uber l33t light cav of doom! :D

What happened to the Ice King army? Fall down go boom?

Eoder

[Gixxer]

Yeaph,
still got some beachtowels !!

Alangahyando, lay down and enjoy the desert sun !

Let's see who will offer us the first ice-cooled beers !

Have Fun and Patience !

Gixxxer

[leonidas]

:D

On behalf of the Free Peoples, the Sinda would like to express their sincere thanks and gratitude towards th Dragon-Lord. That was very sporting of you to send your army to 2514 BEFORE you Revealed it. Telegraphing your move, and giving us ample time to muster our defenses, was truly gallant and in keeping with fair play!

Who says chivalry is dead? Not us, the DS proved it still has a place in Middle-Earth. Way to go!

Nimrodel,
Sinda Queen

[dranob]

Ice Cold Beer! Get your Ice Cold Beer here! Selling Ice Cold Beer!

Well shoot... food doesn't sell for what it once did - gotta make money somehow!

Harad wants beer? Then Harad shall GET beer! BEER-BOY! Send a shipment of beer to Harad! And sent some to Nimrodel as well... Queen of the Faeries indeed...

And yes, sadly, we learned about gravity today in Mordor as the troops plummetted to their doom down the sides of the mountains. Ahh well - you live and learn... and as long as there's Ice Cold Beer... the learning is easier to bear.... BEAR Get it? Hoarmurath - BEAR - HAHAHAHAHA!

:) Good game so far, everyone :)

[Gixxer]

Hi Dranob,
nice to have you back here.

The summer has gone from Germany, but I think there in the South it's still very hot.

Some beer won't catch a Neutral !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Gixxer]

Hi 91.ers,
beer, beachtowels & timber.

Yeah, that's absolutely that what I need.

Drinking some beer under the hot southern sun.
A towel not to lay in the pure sand. Some timber to build ships and sail away.

Sounds good !

But only a dream, not more !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Pfendi]

Have I heard wood???

Now you are taking to the right guy! I am the major export speicallist of wood. Wood for ships wood for bridges, wood for fortifications, wood for daggers. You name it, I got it. Also for beer I got the wooden barrels. This Ice bear guy just uses aluminium cans for beer, not even glass bottles, no stile at all, but what is to be expected from the DS?

Have fun, I am having much fun, thanks to the DrL and WK.

Cheers,

Woodmen

[Big Bad Bain]

No wonder the woodman agents are so weak, they are using wooden daggers!!!!


oh no I got a splinter I hope it dosen't get infected.



Matt
Dwar

GRRRRRRRR

[Pfendi]

No no no big bad bain!

Or in your language woof woof wooooof wooof!

As I said I am in the export business, these wooden daggers are now in use by the Cloud Lord heh heh heh!!

My agends all use mithril daggers, using mithril stolen from the mines of Barad-dur!!

Woodmen
Import/export
Your gold my wood:D

[Gixxer]

Greetings Warlords,
I'm really wondering how you're trying to bribe a Neutral !

It looks like you Free and DS don't need them.

Are you sure about this ?!

Gixxxer

[Gensol]

Well, it looks like the Duns, Rhudaur, Easterlings and Corsairs are going Dark. Good for us Free.

Sigh, at least this way we know who are enemies are...

Just a note, I only have 4 of my starting 8 characters left. Come on Long Rider...get rid of them for me. I need to make room for a bunch of 30 mages. :P

Eoder

[Gixxer]

Oh, interesting !

Haven't noticed that the DS were so brilliant diplomats !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Scott W]

Gixxer

Perhaps it is not that they are so good, just that we are so poor, lol. I hope we do not go 0/5.

Scott W

[Gixxer]

Scott,
self-knowledge is the first step to self-improvment !

Well said Gixxxer, this words must be mine !

Better 7 of 9 than 0 of 5, right ?

Ha, Ha, Ha

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[Big Bad Bain]

He gensol what happend to your old picture????


Matt
BBB

[Big Bad Bain]

Hey There is a party at Morannon next turn everyone is invited.


RSVP

open bar

Matt
BBB

[Gixxer]

The faceless man asks about pictures, very nice !

What's about yours ?

[American-Iron]

Hello All,

Why did the free sneak attack the easterlings? The free people are a bunch of back stabbing puppets of the elves. The land must remove these vile aborations once and forever. You neutrals should rise up and destroy the so called free peoples. Join us while you still have the strentgh to. It is the plan of the free to ride on your corpses as they come to bow and pay homage to the true leader "Lidless One":cool:

[Gixxer]

Wow !

Strong words !

What are you doing against these Free People ?

Up to now I haven't seen much to bribe me !

Haradwaith

[Gixxer]

Well, same again !

Strange game, looks like none of the teams needs to bribe a Neutral !

I think I'll stop it !


Gixxxer

[dranob]

There's a nasty rumor that 3 of the Freeps are dropping this game - and that those 3 run 6 nations. Is this true?

If you will discuss it, but don't wish to do so publicly, please contact me via PM here. Otherwise, please post below.

[Khamul]

I spoke to the Arthedain player Friday evening and he stated that after numerous drops in the early game three players did indeed control six nations and it was these three that had decided to drop and that they had told ME Games so. He also added that the free in the Northwest were willing to carry on but that finding replacements had been too difficult. I presume that means game over. Shame as 1100 Easterlings were in Mordor ready to create havoc and the Harad was about to unleashe his troops, 14,000 of them at last count.

Easterlings

[American-Iron]

What have we done? We are constantly writing you to tell you of goings on. Are you reading them or what? You are a panic. You say" I want "x" and I will join you. So we offer you "x" plus extra then all of a sudden the wind shifts and you change your mind. It's turn 13. The Witch-King is in as is the Dragon Lord. What we are doing is playing as a team. I hope the goods stay in because it's been a challenging game. I also would like to see it end before you fence sitters have a chance to claim victory for doing nothing but hiding behind your neutrality. It's easy to talk a lot of noise when you can build for 13 turns with out so much as one agent coming in and giving you a hard time.:D

[American-Iron]

In my next game my tactic will be to destroy the neutrals that don't join us by turn 5. I called it to the team that the Easterlings were full of beans and the Harad just wanted to be stroked. Hope that Dunlend, Harad, and Easterlings had fun wasting their money waiting for the nonevent. Ha Ha!:p

[Gixxer]

You'll try to destroy them on turn 5, interesting.

Would be better to contact the Neutrals a bit earlier.

Your team and also the Free-team weren't that what I would call communicative.

When you've contacted your neighbour for the first time ?

Think about it and don't damn the Neutrals !


You better should be happy that this game is over, otherwise you would have learned how your own blood tastes !

Two more turns and a city and a MT would have been dust in the desert.

You forgot the Corsairs !

[Gixxer]

I've received a message from the Woodman, telling me that 3 players of the Free-team will give-up.

All are playing doubled, no chance to play it further on !

[American-Iron]

Gixxer my Darling,

We will meet again. After seing your game play in this match I'm not worried. And as far as tasting blood let's not go there. Keep it respectful. I haven't been disrespectful or rude and will not stand it from others. Then again I guess it is easy to run your mouth when your about 4000 miles from me. I bet your tone would be much different if you were four feet away.:D

[Gixxer]

Gixxxer is a tall man able to look in the eyes of his enemy.

He's good looking and well trained !

Will stop this here !

Come to Germany with your bike and we will be able to find it out !

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[vandal]

Well trained, yes(under the thumb), good looking well after several beating with a rolling pin I am not so sure

Vandal

[Gixxer]

This won't occur, I'm sure !

I'm not bad, fighting with my hands !

Ha, Ha, Ha !

[vandal]

Told you so, great experience at deflecting many blows with rolling pins

Vandal

[American-Iron]

My chums are always busting my chops due to the fact that there is always someone behind a key board that has something to prove. Gixxer we will let sleeping dogs snooze but be advised I've spent thelast 16 years power lifting and worked as a bouncer on weekends to make extra money. I was in the Airforce and have studied some martial arts. Maybe you are a the next best thing since T3. However this is my life style. I also haven't heard of Berlin being nearly as tough as New York City. Let's let it slide while we both are ahead. There is no problem with us both being alpha males with so much distance between us.;)

[vandal]

Why not call it a draw

Vandal

[Winsten Wun Toof]

Originally posted by vandal
Why not call it a draw

*Thank God in Heaven for that. I was worried we were going to get down to comparing peckers there for a bit............. and then they'd discover why nobody likes either of them :-D

*Ha ha ha. Hey if it matters, I'm pretty big too.... I have a happy wife, two happy kids, a happy dog, a new collection of replica Lord of the Rings broadswords, I'm smart, have a dazzling personality, and look excellent in tight clothes (preferably my wife's - preferably at the same time as well).

*Excuse the gifted here, Mum always said I was special, and I thought I should just share it with you :-)

Winsten Wun Toof

Vandal

[whip]

Let's try to remember that this a game gentlemen. A game with a sad, pathetic ending but still a game. The NM are the only FP nation to take serious damage and SG lost a few pop centers, but the remaining FP are still pretty much untouched and you call it quits? The neutrals aren't even with the DS, they are playing against both sides.

So let's all pick our turns back up, fill out the orders, and we'll settle this in game.

[whip]

Bah, too late. :(

And Gixxer, you had intentions to attack the QA, then declared for the DS when you heard the game was ending so you could come in first?

That is absolutely the most lame way to place 1st that i have ever encountered in all the years i've been playing this game. Simply disgusting.

[Gixxer]

Whip,
you're pretty right !!!

[vandal]

so who won?

Vandal

[American-Iron]

Well to be honest the neutrals did. The Harad was first the Easterlings second and Dunlend third. They all remained neutral until they heard the good were going to quit in mass and then simply declared evil. They were the perfect example of selfishness. But they payed their cash same as the rest of us and I guess since it's allowed it's cool.
But in all reality until the neutral fouled it up it was one of the funnest games I've played. The Freeps had us on the heels of our boots the whole game and each side did some cool stuff.
Douglas

[Gixxer]

Douglas,
you're right.

It wasn't our intention to foul this game !

We haven't got many conversation the first turns.

So we decided to do it on our own.

We would have joined a team, but only after showing what we're able to do.

We haven't seen it and I think it's okay !

For me the game wasn't so funny, none of you told me in detail what you've done.
Up to now, I don't know who was able to take which pop and I don't have information about killed chars.

For future games you should improve this a little bit and the Neutrals will fall in your open army.

But not knowing what is going on there in the big, wide world,
what would you do ?

Have Fun !

Gixxxer

[American-Iron]

Gixxer

That I can understand!!! I'm playing the Rhudaur in 9. No one but Vandal has very much to say. In my own defense I was kinda instructed not to reach out to the neutrals due to my abrasive manner. Even my teammates didn't like me in the begining. One nation was suppose to handle the diplos. Then the Corsair player said he was speaking for all the neutrals as you guys had formed an alliance. That's why you didn't hear from me until later in the game. But even you have to admit once a dialog had opened between us I wrote you every turn and even shared some basic intel with the help of the Ice King.
Prost

[vandal]

I have to much to say, Gixxer you devil,winning the game such a naughty nuetral I would have never guessed it.

But my hat off to you all the same and be nice to AI his mad to so you have to like him.

In my pot stewed with dwarven seasoning I like the best, funny dont see to many dwarves near me.

Vandal

[Gixxer]

Douglas,
as already said before, you were more communicative.

Believe me it wasn't so easy for me to plan an attack on the player to whom I had the best contacts.

Further on we both are bikers, so something like brothers in mind.

Okay you're riding your Harley while I have my racing bikes.

That's a bit different, I know.

But they have two wheels and a strong engine in it !-

Drano, something like a friend for me but ask him !
If all Neutrals would have joined the same side the game would have been over earlier.

The free lost a lot against the Easterling, they were stupid enough to attack him.
If i would have sent my forces to SG or NG they would have given up much earlier.

I wanted to have a balanced game, that's the reason for my plan to attack you ( you were next to me and even Harad wasn't able to build more ships to take this armies to somewhere else).

Don't take it personal !!!

Prost !!

Gixxxer

[dranob]

Since the game's over, there's no more need for secrets.

The freeps did an awesome job of rocking the DS world. Personally, I was most impressed with N Gondor's play. We made an error or three early on and they pushed all the way into Mordor. Meanwhile, they blew through Mirkwood like it wasn't even there. And if Rhudaur hadn't gone DS early on, then WK would have been mowed over as well. Great job militarily.

We had back-to-back turns with failed assasination orders. 20 total failures in two turns. The freeps don't even know the damage that might have caused. Bad dice, I guess. But then, turn 10 or so, things started happening with curses and assassinations. Even Personal Challenges started working. I was really looking forward to seeing how the character game worked vs ther military one.

I'm very sorry to hear the freep dropping this one - I don't think they realized how "on the ropes" we were. 2 nations had 4 pop centers or less. Two had 6. One had 2. We were funding our nations with stolen freep gold. Rumors were that all the neuts were going DS, but they were in it for themselves. The only reason they hit the freep at all (I think) was because the freep hit them first.

All the neutrals were contacted early in the game. Not bombarded with emails from every DS, but each of 5 DS players contacted a neutral. So if they only got one email, it was representative of the team, not the individual. Some of the neuts responded then, and others had to be contacted more physically before we received a response. But they most certainly were contacted.

I have a policy with neutrals. They get general information, but NOT specifics. Everything Gixxxer asked for was battle reports. Battle reports tell what characters are where, including backups with arties or spells. They tell troop numbers and movements, and frankly, unless you're an ally, you aren't gonna get that much info. If the other team wants to be that generous, then good for them, I guess... but you won't get it from me.

And lastly, and possibly most importantly, is honor. I can respect a foe that says he's a foe. I can respect a foe who builds up and then unleashes, even if it's against me. But what I cannot stand is a foe who just outright lies and misleads. They state what they want, we offer it - even at the cost of neutering some nations - and that neutral then suggests accepting the offer, but instead masses to strike. I understand game mechanics allow the neutrals to be thieves, liars, and generally treacherous people - but that doesn't mean I have to like it. And that behaviour isn't tolerated in games after that either... People build reputations based on their actions, and when (for example) Gixxxer plots to overthrow the QA, then declares DS on the last day before turns are due just to snag the win... well - that's not winning gracefully or honorably in my eyes, and I'll remember that for a long time to come.

To me, winning isn't everything - it's how one plays the game that sticks in my mind. Good gaming to you all.

[Pfendi]

Hi all,

here a bit of information why the FP dropped.
I played the Woodmen, my first game and I think I did all right for that, but we had problems right from the beginning invisible to neutrals and DS.
First problem Noldo. No they were not greedy or anythink. I think our Noldo player was quite good, but because of real life did not concenrate on the first few turns got Special Service and droped out of game, bad for us and the first two nation player.
Next Sinda droped, again we had to take over second two nation but everythink was in control. But then we lost the Eotharin and our initiative in Modor.
Great job of our North Gondor player by the way he more or less singlehandedly invaded Modor. But the damage was done no Eotharin recruting for 3 turns. Especially by now almost all of us had by mistake or computer problen at least on special service. That hurt.
Than Nordmenplayer dropped after two Special Services in a row.
So we got 4 double nation players, as I took over the Nordmen on turn 10.
So at the end we decided that with everyone playing two nations and undeclared neutrals (yes we are also responsible for that) to quit as the fun was out of the game. Even if it looked equally grim to the DS and yes Sinda and Woodmen would have kicked the Dragon Lord out of Mirkwood and the WK would have followed in a few turns. But such is live.

Cheers

Martin / Woodmen and one turn Nordmen

[Khamul]

Just totted up the total damage caused by the neutrals. Harad never fought, neither did the Dunlendings. Corsairs took one major town off Southern Gondor, Easterlings challenged one Dwarven commander, took Scari by force and on the final turn captured Dale and threatened Londaroth off the Northmen. Nice to see this overwhelming strength had such an affect on the game. The ds report that they were on their knees, but the BS still had the gold to improve their capital and hire an army there after sending every single troop east at game start. This the most bizarre game I have ever been involved in.

[Arthedain73]

AI and Dranob may find it of interest that Gixxxer (aka Gelle the Visigoth) had something like that happen in old game 11 to him. In that case, however, he got four days notice that he was being jumped by the neutral. He howled even louder that you fellows.

Gixxxer is right. Don't take it personal. Remember, Sun Tzu says all warfare is based on deception. Also, Livy's histories are full of Noble Roman commanders being defeated by Punics who took the effort to devise ruses and deceptions.

[Gixxer]

Greetings Arthedain 73,
it was a bit different in game 11.-

Astonishing how many players are posting when the game is over !

I've tried to start a dialogue many times, without a response !

Now your mouths are wide open, why not before ?

Think about it !