Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Player Rating

[corsairs game 101]

>
>One basic concept that I am interested in is trust of the GMs. Over time
>we have attempted to build up a base of trust with the players about the
>methodology of the games we run.
>
>With that in mind I think that the Player Rating scheme is a good one

If you want to be tursted, then step one is to quit lieing to us. You throw
out an idea to discussion asking for input, but you've already decided you
are going to go with it.

What is that other English speaking company that runs this game? Damn, there
isn't one anymore.

How about a public vote. If we have to publically give our names to have an
opinion count, I think we should have to publically give a name and vote to
the whole list in order for the vote to count, majority wins.

>So feedback on what would improve the system would be very useful.

The best way to improve the system is to not use it.

Darrell Shimel

[Jason Bennett]

corsairs game 101 wrote:

> How about a public vote. If we have to publically give our names to have an
> opinion count, I think we should have to publically give a name and vote to
> the whole list in order for the vote to count, majority wins.

Except that most ME players aren't on the list.

jason

--
Jason Bennett, jasonab@...
E pur si muove!

[Middle Earth PBM Games]

> >With that in mind I think that the Player Rating scheme is a good one
>
>If you want to be tursted, then step one is to quit lieing to us. You throw
>out an idea to discussion asking for input, but you've already decided you
>are going to go with it.

*** Not yet I am still waiting for feedback - it's been less than a
week. Note we have changed quite a few things due to player input - the
way SS turns are no longer charged, contacting players with errors,
Inactive vs Dead, House rules are very much player input orientated etc. I
have a strong perference for running the ratings and feel that there is
certainly a large group of players that would like it. You don't and
that's your personal perference but I have to listen to what I think the
larger group want here and if I can offer it then I will. I have stated
my preference that is all and I agree that that is my intention to set up a
league at present but I await more comments.

>What is that other English speaking company that runs this game? Damn, there
>isn't one anymore.

*** Reason being - no money to be made, lots of hassle for minimal reward
etc. Stu works for us now and we can overall, I think, offer a better
system and service this way with the games combined. Play with the
Italians or similar company and wait 8 months for a game and then have a
lot of drops... :-) The Germans appear to be running the game as a hobby,
which is cool if you can do it - but my experience of the PBM market (and I
have been a professional GM for coming up to 10 years now, and played games
since I was 14) is that professional companies succeed - amateur ones cater
to a small market and don't succeed otherwise.

>How about a public vote. If we have to publically give our names to have an
>opinion count, I think we should have to publically give a name and vote to
>the whole list in order for the vote to count, majority wins.

*** The list gives me feedback , but often I get other feedback from off
list as they don't like to be shouted at there, or for other reasons. You
can accuse me of lying about that as well if you want but it's the case.


> >So feedback on what would improve the system would be very useful.
>
>The best way to improve the system is to not use it.

*** Thanks, I have taken your 10s of posting on the subject into
account. Whether or not we go with your desire or not is up for debate at
present. I have already thanked you personally for your input here as it
has been very useful. Sorry if you can't see that - I realise that I can't
please all of the players all of the time and don't try to, but to try to
please most of the players most of the time.

Clint

[corsairs game 101]

>>How about a public vote. If we have to publically give our names to have
>>an
>>opinion count, I think we should have to publically give a name and vote
>>to
>>the whole list in order for the vote to count, majority wins.
>
>Except that most ME players aren't on the list.
>
> jason

Well, I'm told, if you don't make your discussions pubic, with your real
name attached, then your opinion doesn't count.

[Richard DEVEREUX]

----- Original Message -----
From: corsairs game 101
To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Player Rating


>
>One basic concept that I am interested in is trust of the GMs. Over time
>we have attempted to build up a base of trust with the players about the
>methodology of the games we run.
>
>With that in mind I think that the Player Rating scheme is a good one

If you want to be tursted, then step one is to quit lieing to us. You throw
out an idea to discussion asking for input, but you've already decided you
are going to go with it.
RD: Why oh why must you be so antagonistic and offensive? Got some almighty chip on your shoulder? Clint hasn't lied at all. He's put forward a proposal and he's won a fair measure of support for it. If he'd been met with a clear majority who opposed it, he would have dropped it (for sound business reasons if nothing else). Get a grip!


What is that other English speaking company that runs this game? Damn, there
isn't one anymore.

RD: There's one in Australia if you want to try that.

How about a public vote. If we have to publically give our names to have an
opinion count, I think we should have to publically give a name and vote to
the whole list in order for the vote to count, majority wins.

>So feedback on what would improve the system would be very useful.

The best way to improve the system is to not use it.

Darrell Shimel

RD: Don't knock it till you've tried it.

Richard.

[Richard DEVEREUX]

> Well, I'm told, if you don't make your discussions pubic, with your real
> name attached, then your opinion doesn't count.

RD: Pubic discussions? Well I suppose that is quite appropriate for Coarse
hairs!

Richard.

>
>
>

[Middle Earth PBM Games]

> What is that other English speaking company that runs this game? Damn,
> there isn't one anymore.
>
> RD: There's one in Australia if you want to try that.

*** Not any more I am afraid. They got bought out by us - capitalism at
its best uh? Note: before we bought them there was no games running there
though for over a year.

Note if players aren't happy with our system we try to improve it. But
changes often mean that some aren't going to be happy. But for the overall
benefit of the game (and consequently our pocket and your enjoyment)
sometimes I think the slog is worth it. Note there are other companies out
there that run ME, and other companies that run other games. I can
recommend some of them for you if you want a relatively impartial (cough)
opinion. Note I am not trying to get rid of any players or force anyone
out - the option to opt out is there so that it has minimal (I think)
impact on your gaming experience.

Clint

[Richard DEVEREUX]

----- Original Message -----
From: Middle Earth PBM Games
To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Other companies



> What is that other English speaking company that runs this game? Damn,
> there isn't one anymore.
>
> RD: There's one in Australia if you want to try that.

*** Not any more I am afraid. They got bought out by us - capitalism at
its best uh? Note: before we bought them there was no games running there
though for over a year.

RD: You cornered the market huh? Great play. When are you going public on the Stock Exchange? Will there be some free shares for veteran players (like me - must be 12 years' loyal service which is twice as long as I've ever held a job!)?
Richard.


Note if players aren't happy with our system we try to improve it. But
changes often mean that some aren't going to be happy. But for the overall
benefit of the game (and consequently our pocket and your enjoyment)
sometimes I think the slog is worth it. Note there are other companies out
there that run ME, and other companies that run other games. I can
recommend some of them for you if you want a relatively impartial (cough)
opinion. Note I am not trying to get rid of any players or force anyone
out - the option to opt out is there so that it has minimal (I think)
impact on your gaming experience.

Clint



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[Middle Earth PBM Games]

>
> RD: You cornered the market huh? Great play. When are you going
> public on the Stock Exchange? Will there be some free shares for veteran
> players (like me - must be 12 years' loyal service which is twice as long
> as I've ever held a job!)?

No plan to go public at present although we're likely to become Limited in
the near future. When we have the various projects we have lined up ready
(the MEMapmaker is well on the way - I'll try to get some screen shots done
for you all) then we aim to advertise in the main stream of gaming. We
have other plans as well but for now we'll keep it at that.