Laurence G. Tilley
2nd February 2008, 01:07 PM
At 12:16 19/09/2002, Philip Vincent wrote:
>the one things
>I think VP's do is make the game Tolkein like (probably more life like than
>one thinks at first hand).
You could begin to argue that for the individual VCs I think, but not
really for the VPs. And of course Tolkein's plot lines weren't randomly
generated. There is room for someone to suggest a more internally
consistent individual VC system.
>The Tolkein World had all the Freeps looking out
>for themselves (hello the Elves and the Dwarves),
Not to the extent you suggest or to the extent that some misguided newbies
go, when they are new to team games, and pick up the rule book, and take
the VP rules dwon without swallowing. There were ancient animosities, and
there had been wars, but by and large, these peoples lived in a sparsely
populated Middle Earth, they left each other alone, rather than struggled
in direct competition, except when specific events provoked it e.g.
Thorin's treasure. The Fellowship of the Ring is all about co-operation,
with the exception perhaps of Bornomir who is "punished", FP competition is
not a major theme.
>and the DS were by default
>quite happy to backstab each other - very DS I would of thought
Actually the Ring Wraiths were very much under the direct control of
Sauron. Gollum is the rare example of an independent evil creature, and
his role equates more naturally to that of the Neutrals in MEPBM.
Laurence G. Tilley
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk
>the one things
>I think VP's do is make the game Tolkein like (probably more life like than
>one thinks at first hand).
You could begin to argue that for the individual VCs I think, but not
really for the VPs. And of course Tolkein's plot lines weren't randomly
generated. There is room for someone to suggest a more internally
consistent individual VC system.
>The Tolkein World had all the Freeps looking out
>for themselves (hello the Elves and the Dwarves),
Not to the extent you suggest or to the extent that some misguided newbies
go, when they are new to team games, and pick up the rule book, and take
the VP rules dwon without swallowing. There were ancient animosities, and
there had been wars, but by and large, these peoples lived in a sparsely
populated Middle Earth, they left each other alone, rather than struggled
in direct competition, except when specific events provoked it e.g.
Thorin's treasure. The Fellowship of the Ring is all about co-operation,
with the exception perhaps of Bornomir who is "punished", FP competition is
not a major theme.
>and the DS were by default
>quite happy to backstab each other - very DS I would of thought
Actually the Ring Wraiths were very much under the direct control of
Sauron. Gollum is the rare example of an independent evil creature, and
his role equates more naturally to that of the Neutrals in MEPBM.
Laurence G. Tilley
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk