Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?

[Randy Brady]

The army will disappear if they go bankrupt, but not right away if they just
drop or are knocked out.

Randy

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From: "Chesley" <chesley_coughlin@...>
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Subject: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:11:30 -0000

Hi,

In two different games in the last two weeks I've seen two enemy
armies show up in the same hex. My team gives the order to attack,
but the enemy army is no longer there. The only order that should
make an army disappear between last turn and the attack is a
personal challenge. However in both cases this is extremely
unlikely. I thought armies hung around for awhile after a nation
dropped or went BK. OR is that not the case? Will armies disappear
the turn after a nation goes BK if they're not on their own pop
center?

Thanks,
-Chesley



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[Rodrigo Maia]

Also, just so you n\know, even if a nation does go BK, an army will NOT dissappear while in a fortified PC of its nation... eventually qhen that PC dissapear ( yes, even fortified downgrade when BK ) then it begins to disband

Goth
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From: Randy Brady
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?

The army will disappear if they go bankrupt, but not right away if they just
drop or are knocked out.

Randy


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Chesley" <chesley_coughlin@...>
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To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:11:30 -0000

Hi,

In two different games in the last two weeks I've seen two enemy
armies show up in the same hex. My team gives the order to attack,
but the enemy army is no longer there. The only order that should
make an army disappear between last turn and the attack is a
personal challenge. However in both cases this is extremely
unlikely. I thought armies hung around for awhile after a nation
dropped or went BK. OR is that not the case? Will armies disappear
the turn after a nation goes BK if they're not on their own pop
center?

Thanks,
-Chesley



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[Ovatha Easterling]

My experience has been that it is food in the baggage train that is the
critical element. When a nation is eliminated all of its' armies without
food disband next turn. If, however, you have a case of a 100 man army with
one food at a friendly town the army will last indefinately. That is until
the pop center is influenced out from under it, or the commanders and
subcommanders are eliminated.
Ed Mills

>From: "Rodrigo Maia" <g0th@...>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
>Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:53:49 -0800
>
> Also, just so you n\know, even if a nation does go BK, an army will NOT
>dissappear while in a fortified PC of its nation... eventually qhen that PC
>dissapear ( yes, even fortified downgrade when BK ) then it begins to
>disband
>
> Goth
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Brady
> To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
>
>
> The army will disappear if they go bankrupt, but not right away if they
>just
> drop or are knocked out.
>
> Randy
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Chesley" <chesley_coughlin@...>
> Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> Subject: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:11:30 -0000
>
> Hi,
>
> In two different games in the last two weeks I've seen two enemy
> armies show up in the same hex. My team gives the order to attack,
> but the enemy army is no longer there. The only order that should
> make an army disappear between last turn and the attack is a
> personal challenge. However in both cases this is extremely
> unlikely. I thought armies hung around for awhile after a nation
> dropped or went BK. OR is that not the case? Will armies disappear
> the turn after a nation goes BK if they're not on their own pop
> center?
>
> Thanks,
> -Chesley
>
>
>
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[Randy Brady]

So would you say that the armies would disappear if there was no food and
the nation wasn't bankrupt, but was knocked out but still having gold?

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@...>
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To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:38:07 +0000

My experience has been that it is food in the baggage train that is the
critical element. When a nation is eliminated all of its' armies without
food disband next turn. If, however, you have a case of a 100 man army with
one food at a friendly town the army will last indefinately. That is until
the pop center is influenced out from under it, or the commanders and
subcommanders are eliminated.
Ed Mills


>From: "Rodrigo Maia" <g0th@...>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
>Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:53:49 -0800
>
> Also, just so you n\know, even if a nation does go BK, an army will NOT
>dissappear while in a fortified PC of its nation... eventually qhen that
PC
>dissapear ( yes, even fortified downgrade when BK ) then it begins to
>disband
>
> Goth
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Brady
> To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
>
>
> The army will disappear if they go bankrupt, but not right away if they
>just
> drop or are knocked out.
>
> Randy
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Chesley" <chesley_coughlin@...>
> Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> Subject: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:11:30 -0000
>
> Hi,
>
> In two different games in the last two weeks I've seen two enemy
> armies show up in the same hex. My team gives the order to attack,
> but the enemy army is no longer there. The only order that should
> make an army disappear between last turn and the attack is a
> personal challenge. However in both cases this is extremely
> unlikely. I thought armies hung around for awhile after a nation
> dropped or went BK. OR is that not the case? Will armies disappear
> the turn after a nation goes BK if they're not on their own pop
> center?
>
> Thanks,
> -Chesley
>
>
>
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[Ovatha Easterling]

I'm saying 'eliminated' from what ever cause. Yes, I have seen nations go
bankrupt with gold in their treasury, but this is not the only way to get
eliminated.

>From: "Randy Brady" <bradyr@...>
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>To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
>Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:05:08 -0600
>
>So would you say that the armies would disappear if there was no food and
>the nation wasn't bankrupt, but was knocked out but still having gold?
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@...>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
>Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:38:07 +0000
>
>My experience has been that it is food in the baggage train that is the
>critical element. When a nation is eliminated all of its' armies without
>food disband next turn. If, however, you have a case of a 100 man army
>with
>one food at a friendly town the army will last indefinately. That is until
>the pop center is influenced out from under it, or the commanders and
>subcommanders are eliminated.
>Ed Mills
>
>
> >From: "Rodrigo Maia" <g0th@...>
> >Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> >To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> >Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
> >Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:53:49 -0800
> >
> > Also, just so you n\know, even if a nation does go BK, an army will
>NOT
> >dissappear while in a fortified PC of its nation... eventually qhen that
>PC
> >dissapear ( yes, even fortified downgrade when BK ) then it begins to
> >disband
> >
> > Goth
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Randy Brady
> > To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
> >
> >
> > The army will disappear if they go bankrupt, but not right away if
>they
> >just
> > drop or are knocked out.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Chesley" <chesley_coughlin@...>
> > Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> > To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> > Subject: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
> > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:11:30 -0000
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > In two different games in the last two weeks I've seen two enemy
> > armies show up in the same hex. My team gives the order to attack,
> > but the enemy army is no longer there. The only order that should
> > make an army disappear between last turn and the attack is a
> > personal challenge. However in both cases this is extremely
> > unlikely. I thought armies hung around for awhile after a nation
> > dropped or went BK. OR is that not the case? Will armies disappear
> > the turn after a nation goes BK if they're not on their own pop
> > center?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Chesley
> >
> >
> >
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> >

[Randy Brady]

That is interesting. I hadn't been paying attention to the food aspect and
was thinking it was solely bankrupt.

Randy

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@...>
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Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:36:51 +0000

I'm saying 'eliminated' from what ever cause. Yes, I have seen nations go
bankrupt with gold in their treasury, but this is not the only way to get
eliminated.


>From: "Randy Brady" <bradyr@...>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
>Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:05:08 -0600
>
>So would you say that the armies would disappear if there was no food and
>the nation wasn't bankrupt, but was knocked out but still having gold?
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@...>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
>Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:38:07 +0000
>
>My experience has been that it is food in the baggage train that is the
>critical element. When a nation is eliminated all of its' armies without
>food disband next turn. If, however, you have a case of a 100 man army
>with
>one food at a friendly town the army will last indefinately. That is
until
>the pop center is influenced out from under it, or the commanders and
>subcommanders are eliminated.
>Ed Mills
>
>
> >From: "Rodrigo Maia" <g0th@...>
> >Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> >To: <mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> >Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
> >Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:53:49 -0800
> >
> > Also, just so you n\know, even if a nation does go BK, an army will
>NOT
> >dissappear while in a fortified PC of its nation... eventually qhen
that
>PC
> >dissapear ( yes, even fortified downgrade when BK ) then it begins to
> >disband
> >
> > Goth
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Randy Brady
> > To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
> >
> >
> > The army will disappear if they go bankrupt, but not right away if
>they
> >just
> > drop or are knocked out.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Chesley" <chesley_coughlin@...>
> > Reply-To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> > To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> > Subject: [mepbmlist] Disappearing armies?
> > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:11:30 -0000
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > In two different games in the last two weeks I've seen two enemy
> > armies show up in the same hex. My team gives the order to attack,
> > but the enemy army is no longer there. The only order that should
> > make an army disappear between last turn and the attack is a
> > personal challenge. However in both cases this is extremely
> > unlikely. I thought armies hung around for awhile after a nation
> > dropped or went BK. OR is that not the case? Will armies disappear
> > the turn after a nation goes BK if they're not on their own pop
> > center?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Chesley
> >
> >
> >
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> >

[Marcelo Cutin]

Hi, all!

Does anybody know anything about it (dragon's challenge level)? How much is
it?

Best regards,

Marcelo Cutin
mcutin@...
ICQ# 2417328

[Tony Zbaraschuk]

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 01:41:40PM -0300, Marcelo Cutin wrote:
> Hi, all!
>
> Does anybody know anything about it (dragon's challenge level)? How much is
> it?

Somewhere over 250, probably less than 275, but it's entirely possible
that individual dragons may vary from the average. Insufficient Data.

Tony Z
--
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The formal word precise but not pedantic
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[Tony Zbaraschuk]

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 05:12:57PM -0000, pdeglopper2000 wrote:
> --- In mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Marcelo Cutin" <mcutin@p...> wrote:
> > Hi, all!
> >
> > Does anybody know anything about it (dragon's challenge level)? How
> much is
> > it?
>
> I've seen Elrond beat Smaug in a challenge while Elrond's challenge
> rank was around 340. I don't know if you actually have to be that
> high, though.

I've killed dragons at 261. I've also lost challenges at 263.

Tony Z

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