Game 233

[Macman]

I'll put my money where my mouth is and start this thread. We'll see if it takes hold or not. I find it is easier in a game to follow the thread when there is only one of them.

Any opinions out there?

Macman
WW 233

[Brian Mason]

Hope it is a good game.

Oh, you wanted opinions?

Ok, It WILL be a good game.


You're probably right that it's easier if there
is only one thread to follow. The first post with
respect to this game was an entry from the DS
so I felt obligated to put in the 2 pence from
the other alliance, but agree that this is much
more efficient.

Brian

[benmin18]

We should just stick with my thread. After all, the Black Gate is going to open and we're going to roll out of Mordor and crush everything that stands in our way.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[RKFloyd]

Nonsense, nonsense. We will use Saruman's "neutral" thread. Afterall, it's not necessary to push propaganda in the thread's title. Why? Because everyone already knows the DS will crush the opposition and win!

-Russ For Khamul

[Brian Mason]

Your message started so reasonable and even-tempered, but then you drifted into the same sort of delusions propegated by the pooch spook.

Oh, well.

Brian

[benmin18]

I hear elves wear dresses... even the boy elves...

- Ben
Dog Lord

[deevel]

AYE, and the Scots wear kilts; sounds like you be a wantin to look under dem der skirts - me thinks you been smellin ya dog's butt too much.

Dug

[Macman]

I will take this to mean that this thread is an acceptable thread for all of our chatter right?

For the record- and by looking at the pictures of Dunlanders, I'd say the Duns are the kilt wearers in this bunch...

Macman
WW

[benmin18]

Originally posted by deevel
AYE, and the Scots wear kilts; sounds like you be a wantin to look under dem der skirts - me thinks you been smellin ya dog's butt too much.

Dug

Scots? What are Scots? Some sort of hobbit-elf cross breed? Middle Earth has no room for elves let alone Scots...

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Don Palmer]

Hello all !

It appears my brethren, Dog Lord Ben, has a one track mind, something about " bad elves"and "kill elves". That's ok, it keeps
him centered.

All you newts, we are here to talk turkey with you if you like. Seems MacMan- White Wizard is only one posting so far, and
after his little note to some of us it appears it is true - Saruman
does have a God complex - or at least he craves a certain ring as much as Gollum ever did :)

Don - Hoary the Ice King

[RKFloyd]

<<It appears my brethren, Dog Lord Ben, has a one track mind, something about " bad elves"and "kill elves". That's ok, it keeps
him centered. >>

Don't forget his favorite, "Stupid Elves". :)


-Russ for Khamul

[drummerdude]

Greetings to all from the Havens. We seek contact from all, send envoys to paolotendes@yahoo.com.
Jeff, for the Corsairs.

[Player]

Greetings Corsairs,

Did I get your email correct? I thought I sent a message, I could be wrong...t'is the season for forgetting to send cards....

AND...out of respect for another neutral, I'll support Saruman's wishes to maintain a Single, Non-Partisan-Named thread for this game. That being fine for the internet, expect no quarter in ME...

Stewie

[RKFloyd]

Oh, all good and well, Stewie. That "oops, wrong email" excuse is always a good one for when you don't bother with diplomacy. Still plenty of time before turn 1 . . . maybe someone on your side will get their act together? :)

-Russ for Khamul

[Macman]

Who says I have a complex? Just because I am seriously attractive to the ladies and just because I am the BOSS of the Magi and just because I have little altars set up all over the compound dedicated to the "Great and Mighty Sar-rooo-mahn" doesn't mean I have a complex. It just means that it's all true...

Macman

Wasn't there a baseball player who said "It aint braggin if it's true?" Whatever. No complexes... just issues... ;)

[drummerdude]

Stewie, i may well have got your message - that all depends on who are.

[RKFloyd]

Jeff,

Just ignore it and maybe it (Stewie) will go away. Whatever you do, don't look it in the eyes. Trust me, you don't want to meet it. Like a stray dog, it will never stop nipping at your feet if you give it any attention. At first, it makes you feel powerful that a thing depends on you for attention and survival. Soon, though, you'll tire of Stewie's sad little puppy eyes and you'll wish it would just go away.

:)

Russ for Khamul

[drummerdude]

Sorry, bit slow on the uptake....
Corsie.

[Player]

Oh I'll be "nipping" alright. I'd prefer a different word, but then, this IS 2950...so it'll have to be "nipping" for a few weeks at least. Mind you, by the time I get to Camel, I'll likely be capable of much more metaphor-friendly assaults.

As far as the eyes go, the ladies love them.

Stewie

[kardon]

Merry Christmas.

ps- You're all gonna die.

QA

[benmin18]

The first blood shall be shed on the walls of Minas Tirith, and from there Sauron's forces shall sweep westward and drive the cowardly elves and their underlings into the sea. Prepare to die, man of Gondor...

- Dendra Dwar, Lord of Morannon

[Celebion]

Originally posted by kardon
Merry Christmas.

ps- You're all gonna die.
QA

No No No. Elves make excellent boot polishers; some of those must be kept around.


Ren the Unruly

[Player]

Originally posted by benmin18
Prepare to die, man of Gondor...

- Dendra Dwar, Lord of Morannon

Um okay. I'll leave this shiney swordie thingie to Federico, that sneaky thingie to Glabradial, and those towns out west to those horsie lords...what? Already? Oh, okay. Well, that's about it then. Oh right, this shiney ball thingie...give it to the Dwarf..that'll freak them out.

Okay, ready to die.

Stewie

[RKFloyd]

Best go ahead and set yourself on fire now and jump off a cliff. At least that way you'll die pretty, Stewie. You'll be a shooting star. But don't set Faramir on fire just yet. He's soooo dreamy and I think I see a twinkle in Eowyn's eye! Tee hee!

-Russ for Khamul

[Player]

Tricky tricky Camel. But don't get so excited, sorry...Faramir doesn't have it. He's on his way home, muttering something about a Dwarf cheating at cards, "..explain it all to you in person...", etc, blah blah. Ah well, less to specify in the will I guess.

Stewie

[deevel]

Merry Christmas.

ps- You're all gonna die.

QA

Wow, QA you start so positive and then go negative. Yes, we can die; and I guess that means I gotta wish that the Nazgul un-die...which is what the Doglord is checking for under the Scotts' kilts...such a confusing world.

Neutral Kings, Queens, Whomever; again greetings from a nation of tree lovers.

All, good luck (and bad) in the New Year!

Dug

[benmin18]

Brad, what are you doing on our side of the river?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Originally posted by benmin18
... our side of the river?
Dog Lord

Well now, we're going to have to settle this once and for all, aren't we...?

Stewie

[benmin18]

Originally posted by Player
Well now, we're going to have to settle this once and for all, aren't we...?

Stewie

Why, you're quite right. I guess we'll just have to take your side of the river as well.

To all Neutral Lords, I would like to point out that Gondor has invaded the lands of Mordor east of the Anduin. These bullying tactics will not be tolerated by the peace-loving orc folk of Mordor and we will take to arms to repulse the Gondor menace.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Listen not to the "peace loving" lord of the dogs. He looks like a dog, smells like a dog, and defecates all around the house like a dog. Choose well your future dinner guests Neutral Lords (and, well, Saruman too, I s'ppose.. ;))

Stewie the Sanitary

[benmin18]

Dogs may be smelly at times, but they're also the most loyal of animals. Loyalty is something that the men of Gondor have no clue about since they decided to abandon their holdings east of the Anduin and now make a feeble attempt to get them back by force rather than through diplomacy. As I said, Neutral Lords, the peace-loving orc folk of Mordor shall rid Middle Earth of Gondor's menace, so join our side and help us bring peace to Middle Earth.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Originally posted by benmin18
Dogs may be smelly at times, but they're also the most loyal of animals.

Goodie. After they've pooped in the hall and smelled up the kitcken, they sit at the table drooling in your lap. We won't even get into these "orc" things. The Men of Gondor believe every dog has his day and his place. The one called Dendra had his day an age or so ago, and his place will soon be the bottom of this river he so carps about. Courageous and resolute our folk are. Nagging and whining our enemies. Yes, the path is becoming more and more obvious, methinks.

And by the way, there are already lots of peaches along the Anduin. Quite the favourable climate, nice sandy loam, well drained. Many an orchard and vinyards too. Join your fellow Men in exterminating these desert and mountain creatures who defile our borders and threaten our lands.

Stewie the Stalwart

[Don Palmer]

Hoarmurath's first 2950 game. Kinda sleepy early on, huh ?

So far, my Ice K large vs. Stewies' NG huge at Osigliath.

Any bets, any bets ?

Don - Ice King

[benmin18]

Elves suck and so does Gondor... Why change a perfectly good taunt?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[RKFloyd]

I guess there's not much to taunt about turn 1, Don.

Uhm . . . Dragon Lord Rules!!!!

-Russ for Khamul

[deevel]

Yo, RUSS!,

Methinks the Dragonlord has taken a chapter out of MP Holy Grail, "Run Away, Run Away".

You can trust that the first artifact we locate will be the, 'Holy Hand Grenade'. to get rid of that wabbitt.

Dug
Leader of NELF

[Player]

Holy Hand Grenade. Check. I've already gotten a line on the Toenail Clippers you asked for last turn - better talk to the Corsairs about that one. I'm sending you some tomatoes also, thanks for the cross-stitching on turn 1, the wife likes the way you gave the talking rocks a "3-D" look.

Stewie, looking forward to a more exciting turn 2.....

[Macman]

Has anybody heard from Dunland yet? I need to settle some stuff with him and I can't seem to find him! I THOUGHT I had a line on him, but I was thinking of a different game apparently...

I'd say the taunting is well under way...

Hey, Gandalf! You're hat is tatty, and your friends dress you funny!

Macman- Da Wiz
PS: Who else am I going to pick a fight with? Besides- he has a really big mage arti and I want it!:D

[deevel]

Macman- Da Wiz,

PS: Who else am I going to pick a fight with?

If you are looking for suggestions....Murazor, Khamul, Hoary Breath - all come to mind (and I didn't even have to sit on Amon Hen).

Dug
Leader Of NELF

[benmin18]

Elves still suck.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[RKFloyd]

<<PS: Who else am I going to pick a fight with?
If you are looking for suggestions....Murazor, Khamul, Hoary Breath - all come to mind (and I didn't even have to sit on Amon Hen).>>


* Now why would he want to fight Khamul? Khamul is one of the Wiz's biggest fans and wishes him the best!

Russ for Khamul the Shameless Kiss-Up

[Macman]

I'd pick fun at Sauron, but of the two, Gandalf is only likely to lower pop centre loyalties- and Sauron is prone to eating armies so I figured....

MacWiz
Courage is for those without hope.

[deevel]

Sauron is nothing that 200 gallons of visine couldn't cure.

Dug
NELF

[Macman]

Yeah- but can you imagine how big the applicator would have to be to apply it all?


Macman
Da Wiz

[benmin18]

Now you're stuck in my side of the river, Brad. What are you going to do now?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[deevel]

Kick butt? Take names?

Sail?

So many possibilities - so many targets.

-Dug
NELF

[benmin18]

Run away you mean..

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Osgiliath refused to ratify the Northern Gondor Non Smoking Pact...now let them see how they like smoke.

Stewie the Old Tyme Politico

[RKFloyd]

Stewie,

One quick statement please! I hope Ecthelion and his boy scouts are enjoying their hiking expedition. Nice to know the troubles facing Baranor just north of there do not bother Ecthelion too greatly. Your thoughts?

-Russ, Mirkwood Press

[Player]

If you're implicating Baranor in that paternity squabble surrounding Ecthelion's daughter, I assure you that the government has a firm "No Comment" on that.

Stewie

[deevel]

Unlike the plea of, "No Contest" by Kruxtogg & Lassie.

Dug
NWELF

[deevel]

Wow,

Wookies map shows battles all over the place - gonna be a fun round. When the smoke clears (and it will) who will be standing? It might not be the brave, but it sure will be the few.

Dug

[RKFloyd]

Well, I can guarantee quite a few Dragon Lord troops will not be standing. Ah, but such is life for a Dragon Lord.

-Russ/Dragon aka Your Whipping Boy

[Don Palmer]

Yes, many a minor battle, and it appears the Lord of Dogs has gotten slightly the better of those supposed Rohan horsemen in all cases. And 3024 is burnt with Baranor and his minions at the bottom of the Anduin.

But where are those Freep "S" forces (South Gondor, Silvan and Sinda), I wonder aloud ?

Hoarmurath

[Player]

The "S" forces have convened a new "S-Club". They hang out drinking mead in the forest, no time for war. You'll have to find a way to have 8 nations kill me all by myself. Best of luck.

Stewie

[deevel]

Cheez,

I payed my membership dues up front!!! Got a club card and everything....but heh, no forest rampage invites for the Noldo....you're on the other side of the mountains, you aren't needed, you don't play 'fair'.

Gonna go start my own club.

Dug
The droopy eared Elf

[Don Palmer]

It's time for the perfunctory question :

Macman, have you found the ring yet ?

Hoarm

[benmin18]

Elves still suck.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[RKFloyd]

Where's that pest control service from Mordor I payed for 2 turns ago? This place is crawling with freepy crawlies!!

-Russ, In the Trenches of Mirkwood

[benmin18]

We're busy taking care of the roach problem in Rohan. You're next on the list.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Macman]

The Ring is still hidden...

Actually- I should provide a timeline for everybody I guess... I will take my first stab at locating the ring in about 3 turns. Most of the info I have to date is based on rumours, not facts, but it is suggested that the ring isn't in play until later on in the game- some say turn 15 it show sup, others turn 10. This is similar to dragons in that they can't be encountered before a certain period of time has elapsed. (A game balance thing- who can stand up against a dragon on turn 2? Thus the delay- more money for GSI, more chances to survive the monsters when they do show up)

My first LAT will be before these timelines, and I dont expect results from it. I suspect Ill just end up confirming some of the tales that get told... More likely than not, it will turns 10-15 before I get my first useful info back, and it may be later still before I get positive co-ordinates (as most rumours state that you need about 150 mage ranks and big bonuses to the spell to actually pinpoint the thing. That means artis and training for Saruman)

I will make an announcement to the teams when I have made my first stab at the problem... anewsletter I guess.

More to follow!

Macman

[Don Palmer]

That means I will have Khathog LAT for it Turn 9 after I have convinced my brethren to load him up with 6 mage arties -
hmmmm, net mage rank of 200 should do it, I'm sure they'll
go for it :)


Hoarm

[Macman]

HEY--- that make me irrelevant! You cant do that! Im the greatest wizard in the game! You're not ALLOWED to do that...

Actually it would be extremly cool to have that kind of co-operation from your team if it could be done. If you could look for the ring, I could study character hunting instead--- part 2 of the search is to see how hard it is to track characters vs tracking the artifact... I was going to ask both sides to name some of thier characters "frodo, bilbo, gollum etc..." to narrow the field of possibilities- I know that some of these names are in use by the game, but Im not sure which... and WHEN they are in use... if gollum can be found turn 1, then does the ring get handed to him later, or is it already there, but not findable?

Many questions. I seriously doubt any one side would be willing to concentrate that much effort into this project though- thus my intent to use WW for the chore...

Anybody interested in actually working towards this end should drop me a line... save me some effort, and allow me to focus on one of the other angles. We all gain by it. Mull it over. How you can manage it though, with a regular war going on, is a mystery to me. I look forward to hearing from you all!

Macman
Da Wiz- on the brink of irrelevance...

[gavin]

Wiz,

Have you named all your new characters "frodo, bilbo, gollum, etc..."...?

[Macman]

NO but they will be from here on in... ;)

[benmin18]

Let's see, NG is still stuck at Bar-en-Tinnen, Rohan lost again, Buth Oviasa still remains clear, the road to Mirkwood is still open, Dilgul was captured, Elgaer stands to be razed, we recovered more arties, Dorlas was killed in challenge, am I missing anything?

Oh yeah, elves still suck.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[RKFloyd]

Yes, you missed something. Dorlas lost to a new 30-rank emmy. A female goblin, no less. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! ::ahem::, sorry.


Russ
Pimp of the FemGobs

[Macman]

"FemGobs"? This is sounding more interesting...

Macman
Da Wiz

PS: Did I mention that I employ Half-Orcs of dubious moral standards?

[RKFloyd]

Yo, S-Wiz, I'm your hook-up if yo' half-orcs start gettin' a little "rowdy", know what uhm sayin'? Five dolla', five dolla'!


Russ / FemGob Pimp

[benmin18]

Suckie, suckie.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[benmin18]

I would also like to point out that the Northmen have pulled a sneak attack on the Rhun. Very dastardly, supposed Free Peoples. Bullying neutrals into submission, eh?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[RKFloyd]

Ben,

I guess diplomacy is too difficult for the FP. One source quotes an undisclosed high-ranking member of the FP as saying "You mean we have to write to [the Neutrals] EVERY turn?!?!" I wonder how long they'll leave the WW alone to find his ring? Or how about the Duns who, to my knowledge, have yet to make a public appearance? Don't be too harsh on the FP. They are, afterall, only elves and elfslaves. Instead, let us pity them and bring them the Mercy Sleep of Knife and Dagger.

-Russ and the FemGobs
Mirkwood Press

Note: all comments are the views of the Editor and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Mirkwood Press and its Subsidiaries. However, we believe Elves Suck.

[Player]

Hey, we were asked nicely to occupy the Rhun capital because the DS had characters there causing trouble. Don't go turning this around you sneaky buggers. And I'm no elfslave boyo. They're kind of into the same kind of business you're in, if you get my meaning. Elfmaidens much more attractive than your half-maggot whatever's you're pawning off. This is why I don't just "believe" it, I know it ;)

Stewie the Contented

[RKFloyd]

Stewie, Looks aren't everything. Especially when the lights are out! Do your girls have fangs? Lizard tongues? Rank breath? Scaly bosoms? I think NOT!

-Russ and the FemGobs

[deevel]

Hmmm,

Two Doglord armies destroyed, the final one - how to put it "dead", riders want you to send more targets.

Dragon army defending Sarn Gornwig? Well, not defending anymore is it.

Huge Dragon army - don't see it - more dust in the wind.

Goblins Gate, no wonder you didn't defend it, should be called Worthless Gate.

WK army, not orcs & trolls, but walking dead.

Nice move on Din's part though.

Whatcha gonna buy out this turn?

Dug

[RKFloyd]

<<Two Doglord armies destroyed, the final one - how to put it "dead", riders want you to send more targets.


I KNOW you're not bragging about Rohan's performance in this arena? Do I need to recall the previous 3 turns?

Russ / Dragon

[deevel]

Uh, wasn't it the Doglord bragging about saving you after he finished off the Riders?

In my case - it is just the facts (as they stand at this one moment in time).

Dug
And Yes, we all know what the Doglord thinks of Elves.

[benmin18]

The facts are that the road to Mirkwood stands free and that Rohan has done nothing. You have no idea of the beating Rohan is about to take.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Don Palmer]

Citing of hollow, inevitable victories in Mirkwood is about all
you have to chirp on.

When are you going to help out Stewie and the Walkers
of Rohan ? (I think Dog has destroyed their Riders:)

Pork bellies. They're at 4 now, I think we can get 'em to 5
and really fatten our purses...

Hoarm

[deevel]

Ohhh,

And the IceKing has spoketh.....how about six for a nice shrubbery?

Dug

[Player]

Stewie don't need no help, thanks. I've sent my wife over (Gothmog, I'd highly suggest the 215 here...[shudder]...) to clean up after your pathetically hollow victories on the East Bank. So easy to manipulate you silly DS....

Stewie

[RKFloyd]

<<In my case - it is just the facts (as they stand at this one moment in time). >>


This one present moment in time . . .Excellent. It's your refusal to learn from the past and your inability to plan for the future that will be your team's downfall! Mwah ha ha ha!

-Russ, In the Trenches of Mirkwood

[deevel]

Read the books, saw the movie, already know the future.

-Dug,
Looking down at ya in those trenches

[benmin18]

Yeah, but those movies were made by Elves and we all know that Elves are a bunch of liars.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[deevel]

Keep it up and I will not sell you a shrubbery. Then you won't be able to enter Greenwood.


- Dug

[RKFloyd]

It just so happens that I, Russ of Mirkwood, , can make my own shrubberies. You see, I am a shrubber. Russell the Shrubber. I make and I sell shrubberies.

[deevel]

Ah, but in these economic hard times, can even the mighty Doglord afford two shrubberies?

Then there is the slight problem with Herrings being out of season.

-Dug

[RKFloyd]

Has anyone but me noticed that Game 233 just gets weirder and weirder?

With the FP strongarming the Rhun and apparently having the Duns in their pocket since turn 0, I hope the other neutrals will see which side is a team they would want to actually ally with and fight alongside. (Hint, it's the DS!!! )

-Russ in the Trenches of Mirkwood

[Player]

Well Russ, whatever bogus pile of verbal dung you spun at the Rhun has likely worked. Add in Darrell Shimel's extremely reasonable and mature position and I can only but assure everyone here that Stewie has officially retired his position of War Yapper. You'll hear no more from him or me. Enjoy this stupid game.

[benmin18]

You're quitting? What happened?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Don Palmer]

Looks like Stewie moved, as Faramir and his bronze boys showed up at 3017. Is that still you, Stewie, or a unreasonable facsimile thereof ?

Hoarm

[benmin18]

Does it really matter? He's going to get stomped.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[RKFloyd]

Dol Guldur has some tight legs, doesn't she? The woodies and Sinda try and try but they can't quite squeeze in!


-Russ, in the Trenches of Mirkwood

[benmin18]

And if I forget... Elves suck. And so does Gondor.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[deevel]

Well if Stewie & Player are gone, it leaves me to turn out the lights.

"POOF"

Dug

[RKFloyd]

::whamp::

Did you feel that? You were kicked on the way out! The humiliation! The horror!!

-Russ in the Trenches

[deevel]

"Click"

Sure nuff, I smell dragon poop, and my shin hurts, musta been Russ. Glad I got a new lightbulb.

While I'm kinda sorta on the topic....who would want to get into Dol Guldor? Only thing good about that place is it gives Dendra Dwar something to lift his leg to. Of course he is tooooo busy wiping out the Riders.......

Dug
Still looking down into those trenches

[deevel]

HA!

I've got a player rating of straight 100's!!! Ya wanna quit now?

Dug

[RKFloyd]

That's ok. I'm not even ON ANY of the lists except for where 2 players voted me best enemy. I'm sure it was based on my mouth and not my tactics, though! ;)

Russ

[Player]

Originally posted by RKFloyd
2 players voted me best enemy. I'm sure it was based on my mouth and not my tactics, though! ;)

Russ

I thought the vote was for "guy you most enjoyed stomping on". Count me as one of those... ;)

As for the sad circumstances we find ourselves in with this particular rendition of Emily Kills Russ, well, my fine (and likely feathered) DS enemies have taken our Dun quite to task on another thread. I feel much better now, a little light headed, actually.

As for Faramir, well, Rohan has those college pictures of him. Not much I could do. I'll appreciate it if your big scary dude (I won't mention any names) does as I expect him to do and, like Osgiliath and Baranor, I get my way again.

Stewie Ruling All

[benmin18]

Please... you're going to get your stomping as well Brad. Have fun! :)

- Ben
Dog Lord

[RKFloyd]

<<my fine (and likely feathered) DS enemies have taken our Dun quite to task on another thread.>>

* Yeah, what gives? We seem to take his actions harder than you Freep guys! :)

* I just had another nice long one typed out for him and I deleted it by mistake. Oh well, I'm wasting my time anyways.

* Good to see you back in action, Brad!! We're still going to stomp you, though. :(

Russ / Dragon

[RKFloyd]

Oh, so I didn't delete my posts before posting afterall. Didn't realize there would be a time delay with the new censorship policy. That kinda' . . . well, I can't say it for fear of being censored. :)

Russ / Dragon

[benmin18]

Once again I am making my march into Rohan... Will the cowards dare to come out and meet me?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Which way to the enemy? Can anybody tell me which way to the enemy? Verna? Argirion? Hel-lOOOOOO~!

Stewie

[RKFloyd]

Geez, Freeps! I leave DG completely undefended for a turn and where are the Freeps? Sitting outside still! What do I have to do, send invitations?? We're waiting for you . . .


-Russ, In The Treches

[benmin18]

Well, you might as well send one to Rohan too. God knows he's not doing too much to get beyond Buth Oviasa.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[RKFloyd]

Rohan FINALLY made it to Ongushar, though. That one usually bites the dust, what, turn 2?? Do I applaud them or pity them?!

Russ / Resilient Dragon Lord

[deevel]

Ethil,

We missed the Dol Guldor exit; it says right here, turn left at the creepy looking tree, first fork in the road....it's a must see attraction, won't be around forever ya know.

Dug

[benmin18]

Sure it will, but Rohan won't be around forever...

I know something you don't know, and it's going to hurt.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[deevel]

So there is truth in the song that the little bird sings?

Dug
Noldo

[benmin18]

What little bird? The one that will be singing the death throes of Rohan? But we already knew that...

- Ben
Dog Lord

[benmin18]

Hey Rohan, GIVE IT UP! You're not making to past me!

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Okay, okay already...it's Your side of the river... :rolleyes:

Stewie

[benmin18]

Well, you did send Bradley to come over and play... But he's not going to last long...

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

It's all a ruse, a Ruse I tell you...and you silly maleable DS fell for it yet again. I SHALL Rule all. The One SHALL Bow Before me. Acquiese I say! Run for your pathetic lives and yea shall be spared!

Stew

[Don Palmer]

Stew,

Still playing solo, I see ?! Your S brethren - Gondor, ilvan and inda - are still up to... nothing, hopefully still wandering the woods aimlessly. Apparently they are running away from the Dragon Lord pops this turn - they must have seen his killer rabbit !

Hoarm

[Player]

Well, at least you're not bragging...how many nations and MT's did it take to kick me and my 2 pops across the river without any allies? And YOU blew the bridges because you're scared of ME...???

Let the S Club be. Every week they fax me nice poetry and coupons and stuff. The longer I'm in the game, the longer I benefit from the mailing list...kewl!

Stewie

[RKFloyd]

The invitaions had been sent. Dinner was ready. The Good China was brought out. Fresh tea and grapes were to be the appetizers. The doors were WIDE OPEN. And the Elves and Woodies took their balls and went home. ::sniff::

-Russ, Alone in the Trenches of Mirkwood

[benmin18]

Elves and Woodmen suck... And they're cowards.

Here dragon, dragon, dragon....

- Ben
Dog Lord

[deevel]

And the Elves and Woodies took their balls and went home. ::sniff::

Well, at least we have them, unlike poor Russ; that veternary thing and all, honestly, did they really tell you that you were going to get to meet Lassie?

Dug,
Another Elf

[deevel]

Opps, sorry, I meant Ben escorted by Russ, ya know, seen one Nazgul, ya seen them all.

Dug

[benmin18]

At least Nazgul don't prance around the woods in dresses like elves...

- Ben
Dog Lord

[deevel]

Aye Lassie,

Those be kilts....and don't you be atryin to peek.

Dug

[Player]

"Elves and Woodmen"

"Elves and Woodmen"

Who cares about Elves and Woodmen except Elves and Woodmen? This is all about you and me and how you will bow before me and all that. Get over Mirkwood, my boys. Rohan schmohan. The books were about me and my city, so stick to the script already.

Stewie the Vain

[benmin18]

Bah, the books were written by some pansy in a skirt... Everyone knows that "evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

- Ben
Dog Lord

[benmin18]

Why so quiet...?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

South Gondor and I have been arguing.

"Please come and help me invade Mordor!"

"I'm sorry, but I'm too busy posting camps named after my cousins."

"Um, you mustn't have heard me, I'm playing NG in MEPBM, and I was really really hoping you'd send lots of troops to help me invade Mordor....see?"

"Oh don't worry, we have lots of time to name agents, I'll just be over here training my secondary skills. Call me if you need anything."

"Clint: Please take the SG position from this retard and give it to me!"

"Sorry Brad, can't do that. Why not try talking nice-like to your allies sometime? It can work wonders."

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So, you see, not much time for you lately.

Stewie

[Don Palmer]

SG can re-invent himself in the Northwest this way - it's a good base in which to launch attacks on... well...

Or maybe he is too busy partying in those forests with your elven
friends ?!

( I know, Ben, elves suck...)

Hoarm

[benmin18]

So South Gondor is useless, eh...?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Ben doesn't have to say "Elves Suck" "Elves Suck" anymore 'cause I let him become the #1 poster on this list. It was sad having to read through post after post of such inane drivel. I could just imagine his poor little face, all scrunched up in fear and desperation - "57 more..okay, 56 more...good, 55 more...I'm gonna beat this guy dammit...."

In fact, it's much the same face I make every turn when I get my reports from my ally to the West - "Everything going swimmingly mate! Named a 10-10-10 and wow! He got a bonus to his mage rank! It might be some time before I can send him out to visit, he has lots of schooling before he's ready to travel. Hope all is well for you. Can you still get that mage guy to cast Reveal Production for me? I'd like my bronze to be the same as my steel so it's easier to make my HC all shiney. Okay, talk to you later!"

[benmin18]

Originally posted by Player
Ben doesn't have to say "Elves Suck" "Elves Suck" anymore 'cause I let him become the #1 poster on this list. It was sad having to read through post after post of such inane drivel. I could just imagine his poor little face, all scrunched up in fear and desperation - "57 more..okay, 56 more...good, 55 more...I'm gonna beat this guy dammit...."


Blah blah, whatever... Gondor sucks...

I was number one for a while before I actually had to do some work which is when you overtook me. But now that I'm slacking again I've got plenty of time to write inane drivel...

Elves suck...

- Ben
Dog Lord

[deevel]

Ya know, once in a faraway land, I saw a Rottweiler crossed with a basset hound.....funny how I picture the Dog Lord.

Dug
Leader to ELF (elm liberation front)

[Player]

Originally posted by deevel
Leader to ELF (elm liberation front)

Anyone seen an elm in Mordor? Anyone?? Puh-LEEEEZE!?!?

Stewie the Lonely One
Yes, I am the Lonely One,
I am the ONly One,
Yes, I am the Only One,
WhoooooooEeeeeeee

[screeeetch]

Sorry 'bout that guys. Old tape. Won't happen again.

Stewie

[benmin18]

Originally posted by deevel
Ya know, once in a faraway land, I saw a Rottweiler crossed with a basset hound.....funny how I picture the Dog Lord.

Dug
Leader to ELF (elm liberation front)

I once saw a a tree crossed with a... Uh... I got nothing. RUSS, think of a snappy comeback for me.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[deevel]

Koo Koo Kachoo Stewie,

As for ELM - Elves Liberate Mordor....from one small acorn the mighty oak does grow, and with the amount of dog doo on the ground something besides Russes mushrooms should have a chance.

Dug

[RKFloyd]

I once saw a movie called "Moulin Rouge" . . full of sexually ambiguous guys dancing and prancing and singing "Like a Virgin". Funny, that's how I picture the <insert whatever crappy elven nation Dig Dug is here---->

Elves Suck.


Russ, In The Trenches of Mirkwood

[Player]

Russ,

You sure you want to stick with that one? It must be late there in Central Carolina or wherever...c'mon, we've seen better!

Brad

[deevel]

Now that you have brought it up, I have actually been on stage at the Moulin Rouge in Paris....but that is another story for another time.

Oh the memories.

Dug
the other elf

[Don Palmer]

If Dug is the "other" elf, who is the "other, other" elf ? Or is there only one ?

Hoarm (from the Eiffel Tower)

[RKFloyd]

Sorry, Stewie. Overworking and exhaustion is drying up my "legendary" wit. Where are the jokes about Canadian Lawnmowers? Classic stuff that I can never imitate again.

-Russ, In the Treches

[benmin18]

Ok, Rohan needs to quit sending troops up the Emyn Muil... I'm getting annoyed.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

You killed me. My wife a couple turns ago. Beware our daughters' revenge...

You're also 3/3 with the neutrals. Congratulations. This usually only happens when I'm doing my team's diplomacy, but alas, I've been silent in that department. And my hockey team lost tonight too. I've had a good day.

Stewie

[Don Palmer]

Cheer up Stewie !

It appears that some of those elves have decided to show themselves - and one army is in my mountain camp, no doubt up to no good...

However, your hopes for having your S. Gondor friend help you
attack Mordor appear to be dashed. Perhaps those secondary skills he was working on will help him out now :)

Hoarm

[RKFloyd]

Hey Stewie,

Double good news for you! The camp limit has been hit so SG will now get to concentrate on other things . . .such as trying not to die! Admit it . . . a smile crossed your face when you received his panic-stricken turn report. ;)

This is all Karma-type payback for not taking the plunge with me in . . . whatever game that was where we were both neutrals. It's your desiny to end up on my team some day . . you'll learn.

Dol Guldur will never die,
Russ in the Trenches

[Player]

It was the previous 235 and I asked your Corsairs for ships and you never delivered them to Isengard. Too bad for you.

The smile is there...in an oddly masocistic sort of way...but the report seems to be a little late this turn.. what up that? ;)

Stewie - patiently sipping tea at the mailbox

[Player]

Oh, and about that Dol Guldor stuff... You are correct, it will never die. Between the new condo's, mini-malls and theme parks, we expect the place will really start to hop when we take it.

Stewie the Stockholder

[Player]

ps - my team rebounded with 2 shut-outs in a row, 2 games to 1. Ha! A better day... Now if only the news from SG is half as good..when it comes...

I AM Stewie

[Don Palmer]

Saruman,

Sorry to have forgotten my mantra for you for a few turns !

" So, have you found the ring yet ? :) "

Hoarm

[benmin18]

So FP... The Corsairs have landed in South Gondor, the Khand have swept north into the Rhun Sea, Buth Oviasa stands firm, Mirkwood is a warzone, the east bank of the Anduin is secure, CL agents run rampant, and the DS economies grow stronger with every successful buyout. And it's turn 8.

Give up yet?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

You have done well, Servants of Sauron. Now is the time to resign with your heads held high.

Stewie

[RKFloyd]

LOL. That actually made me laugh!

-Russ

[deevel]

Laugh wormking, after the dog is tied up, we will pull your tail.

Dug
Leader of ELM

[benmin18]

Yes, yes... I am a bit preoccupied with that rabble from Rohan. Hark, what is that I hear behind me? Could it be? Why yes, yes it is... It's the Long Rider, Dark Lts., Witch King, Ice King, Corsairs, and Khand Easterlings. Surely they'll continue the job I've started, and then I'll finish things.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[deevel]

Their time will come, they should enjoy their existance.
Now run away little dark sparrow.
I have to entertain an uninvited guest.

Dug
Leader of ELM

[Player]

Originally posted by benmin18
It's the Long Rider, Dark Lts., Witch King, Ice King, Corsairs, and Khand Easterlings.

Have no fear Rohan! I'll salvage some shards of timber from these former bridges and send it off to you for Weapons! I'd have loved to ship over my mithril stores, but it was all stockpiled on one of Ecthelion's posted camps on the East...I mean, Dark Bank. I'll ask SG for some if you like...we'll tell him it clashes with Steel and I'm sure he'd be willing to send it over in exchange for some talc and a good decaf tea...

Stewie

[RKFloyd]

Stewie,

I feel I could win your allegiance if you were a neutral in this game! ;)

Russ, Sweettalkin' Dragon Lord

[deevel]

Take him,

All he wants to do is put up shopping malls, tattoo parlors and casinos. He is ruining the west.....

Watch out, he has plans for a nice little condomium outside of Mt Doom....beware he's got a devious plan for a ski resort!!!!

Dug
the other ELF

[Player]

Fine then "dug" the "other" elfie. I'll join the DS. No problem, not like I was helping SG with his training, or sending any sausage rolls to the endless Mirkwood pot-lucks you frickin' elves kept having. Oh sorry, I haven't contributed any of my lucky sleeves to the North Kingdom Quilting Faire. I've simply been getting slapped around and shot at by 6 or so DS nations within 2 turns march from my nation with nary an ally in sight.

Fine then. Russ, send me an invite to your yahoo group, I'll sign up, no problem... ;)

Stewie

[benmin18]

Gee, Rohan still wants to play. Let's rock and roll.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Don Palmer]

Stewie,

Finally, at least the 'S'inda seem to be showing some life - of course torching my camp in the mountains doesn't help your fight.
But Rohan still shows some spunk - however short lived it will be as his forward armies will evaporate this turn. It is nice as the DS to have our armies gaining morale and training as they repel your sporadic attacks - I thought the Freep were supposed to do that :)


Hoarm

[RKFloyd]

2, Count 'em, 2! 2 Victories in Mirkwood! That whole "hire an army" thing just isn't working out at Galadbrynd, is it, Mr. Silvan? Maybe I'll try hiring an army there after next turn and see if it works better for me.

-Russ for Khamul
Coming Out of the Trenches

[Macman]

Geez guys- sounds like you're going to end things before I find the bloody ring! Don't make me declare "other" and come after ALL of you...

Neuts can bluster too, no?

Sounds like a lot of ds on this board... where's all the freeps?

Macman Da Wiz

[benmin18]

Dying. Ask Lindal...

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Well, I WAS a Freep, but they voted me off the team. The DS group invite hasn't arrived yet either...hmmm, maybe there's something I'm not doing right...?

Stewie

[benmin18]

Send us your PDF/XML files and we'll talk.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Macman]

Screw the ds and the freep- join MY team... neut rocks!

Macman

[benmin18]

Find that ring yet? No? Get back to us when you have something important to report like FP troops movements and population centers. :)

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Celebion]

227 all over again.

I may even try to remain awake through the next fornight.

Ren the Sleepy

[Player]

Originally posted by Macman
Screw the ds and the freep- join MY team... neut rocks!

Let the Fourth Age Begin!

I hereby denounce all claims to Freepdom. I shall henceforth be a Neutral, a beacon of Mankind ushering in the New Middle Earth Order. Along side my Mankind-ish allies Ugluk, Bugrug, Lugdush and Mauhir, we shall defeat the Elven Conspiracy and those trite pagan followers of the Cult of the Flaming Eye. Arise Man!

Stewie
ps - go on back to sleep Ren. Sssssshhhhh Sleeeeeeeepppppppp.......

[RKFloyd]

Sleepy Ren,

I'm going to make sure you're not on my team next game. The enemy seems to have a bad habit of being annihilated when you're on my side!!

Stewie, did SG ever get that turn report out? I see he's busy recapturing lost pop centers now. You should tell him that in a war of attrition, recapturing is what you DON'T want to be doing. It means he's losing. I don't blame you for forming your own team. Maybe we can work together and help Saruman find the Ring? Hey, a Dragon's gotta have hobbies and defending Mirkwood is not much of a hobby.

-Russ for Khamul
The Snore you hear in Mirkwood is the Sleeping, Bored Dragon

[Macman]

No ring as of yet- haven't scehduled a LAT for it until this round though so finding it earlier would have been kinda weird to say the least... not to worry though- when I find it- you'll hear about it!

Macman

[Macman]

Hey Russ- perhaps your bored boys should join my Grand Neutral Alliance? The GNA is always happy to welcome newcomers to the board room table, and while an allegiance change won't ensure that you get to fight anybody, I can gaurantee that when we DO find the ring, things will get very intense, very quickly!

Macman

[benmin18]

Assuming the game doesn't end before you find it. Otherwise you'll be carrying a very big bullseye on you.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Macman]

Im not too worried. If the game ends, I'll see if somebody on the winning team is willing to wait it out with me. The others players can sod off and I'll share the info gleaned with the cooperative few. I can't factor in the bloodthirsty bunch with the bullseye stencils. It's irrational- and I can't play with it hanging over my head ya know? Nobody (willing to share the info)has the answers to these questions yet- and most people are curious.
I'll count on the facts that:
(a) most people really do want to know what the truths of the ring are.
(b) the winners will be winning- which means they won't be pressuring me to join them. If they are winning, the dont need me right?
(c) the losers are losing- so they WILL want me on thier side, but since they are loosing, they are unlikely to be in a position to actually waste rescources on attacking me.

I didn't request the WW position to win the game. I've won before. The pin is cute, the badge is nice and the lack of any material gain for all the money spent is spiritually uplifting I suppose... but I am interested in attacking in new and unorthodox styles, in pushing things around in ways I've never done before and in learning things about the game that haven't been in the 'common knowledge' category for years... The one ring is a mystery surrounded by years of guesses, myths, and misinformation. I have the most powerful natural mage in the game, and some artis to boost him a little further. I will find the ring, and I will experiment with fetching it. I will test theories out, put myths to the test and share my data with those players that supported me, or at the very least left me alone. Those that interfere will gain nothing. Those that help will gain insights that will help them to win games in the future.

Here's the simple question- if there are players out there that can't resist the urge to attack me in the future- despite the benefits of my being left alone to do this task- then I BEG them to tell me now. I am not willing to waste the money on this little project if I am going to be stopped a few turns short of the end of it. This game is too expensive (It has cost 61 dollars so far- that's roughly 85 Cdn, which is enough to have a really decent night out on the town!)and I know I can find another group of people who, eventually, will be willing to wait it out.

Speak up now- or keep your swords in thier sheaths until I have the answers. Then you can kill me- with my blessings! Just let me know now. There's still time for a new player with an inclination towards declaring and fighting to come in and join.

Let me know- soon! Within the week if at all possible. If I have to leave this game, I'd rather do it while you guys are all still here- that way Im less likely to run into the irrational bunch, and more likely to play with a more reasonable group.

Macman Da Wiz

[benmin18]

We've always intended to leave you alone, if that's what you're worried about.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Don Palmer]

Macman,

So, if we are winning, and you find the ring, we are to let you
finish this grand science experiment and toss it into Mt Doom and turn victory into defeat ?

This does not make sense to me - I have been paying the same amount of money per turn as you, as have my mates.

Hoarm

[benmin18]

No no no.... He'll swing to the winning side to use the One Ring properly... Right?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Macman]

No- Ill be the one to test the theories like:

(1) Is it true that powerful characters that try to hold the ring are "corrupted" and taken out of the game
(2) can weak characters take the ring safely from 'a' to 'b'.
(3) is it easier to locate the ring by finding it's courier rather than finding the ring itself
etc...

If an answer is determined, then I would hand it off to one of your teammates to do with it as you see fit. Or steal it. Can ther one ring ber stolen like any other artifact? Bear in mind the holder must be at mount doom, and issue (2) 990 orders in the same round- no refusing allowed. For security you could always have a curse squad hover around the place and a good challenger on hand to insure that I dont 'snatch victory' away from you.
I would like to confirm the end game message of course, but if we have gone that far, then I am sure you'll share that bit as well.

If you prefer, I can let you send Murazor or some other high powered mage type guy to go and risk 'corruption'. Im good with that. Im also good with you having your small guys try to fetch it. You can carry it back to Mt Doom as best you can, and drop it in. The consequences of such a thing are part of the info gathering process so knock yourself out. I just want the info. Im willing to sacrifice Saruman to see what happens. Ill also sacrifice a dozen other characters to get there. My nation is geared to this. 10 turns in the making! Are you willing to loose your best character(s)in this hunt?

I was under the assumption that you were keen on winning the game and doing well on the points thing. I can allow you to do this, and you get to keep all your nice characters. It's your call. I can also drop out. You don't need me to be here to play, and Im sure you can have fun with my replacement. I know a few guys that are war gamers that would love to provide you with a challenge. I'll find another opportunity Im sure- I just need to know if both sides can handle the thought of a neutral playing a neutral long enough to get the answers to some of the biggest questions that exist in the game. If not, say so, and Ill leave you guys alone. You don't even need me to do this serach- you just need to re-task a bunch of your assets. The DS have the mages, the artis and 10 times the characters that I have... you just have to let up on the freeps long enough to do all this... Another benefit I guess of me doing this- you spend nothing and get everything.

It's your call. I have been playing for a while now. I can dredge up character witnesses I think that will attest to my reputation- I keep my word. I have given it already. I am looking for the ring- and to hell with the game. I won't be trying to pull it out from under anybody else. Im in this for the info, for the rep that comes with being the one that actually did it and the satisfaction of doing something different with a nation that inevitably falls into the same old kind of game that it always does. I'm tired of the 'same old game'. How many times can you win (or loose) before getting bored by it all? I got bored before- dropped out for almost 2 years as a result. Now Im in it for fun. I am not here to ruin your game of course. If you goal is to sack Isengaurd- fine. Loan me a capital and Ill let you take the place. If you want Saruman dead- cool. Take him after Ive found the answers. He's yours too. Just let me in on the secrets of the ring and Im outta there the next turn! Someone on your team already suggested that they could probably do the job, and faster too... haven't done it of course... I guess you're busy with other things?

Let me know, this turn if you can, what you think thew odds are of my being left alone to do this. If they are good, the great. If they are bad, then great. I can have somebody take over this position and be ready to declare in no time flat. You'll be happy, Ill be happier (elsewhere) and I won't begrduge you stringing me along for the last 9-10 turns. After all, you probably figured I was just saying all this to buy some time right? Now you know it's for real- what are your REAL thoughts? Will you abide by the 'truce' or not?

WW

[benmin18]

We're leaving you alone because you asked, and you've given us no indication of threatening our side. We're winning without having to resort to the One Ring, and we'll keep at it. No worries on our side, Chris.

As for the whole points thing, I think you know my take on that.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Don Palmer]

Chris,

No, I trust you and echo Ben's comments, just was wondering about some of the specifics, and you have enlightened me.

Beside, you were a gracious Eothraim team leader in one of
my first games that issued a coup de grace (with those damn war machines with HC- damn them!) on one of my first games and
put us Darkies out by Turn 13. Well done and ouch...

Hoarm

[RKFloyd]

Chris,

You already know how the Dragon feels. I respect you as a player and I'm very interested in what comes of your quest. I would look unfavorably on any attempts to "force" your hand and would do my best to prevent them. NOTHING like that has come up in our inner circle, though. However, judging by some of the rumors I pick up occasionally, I'm not sure the other team feels the same.

-Russ for Khamul

[RKFloyd]

BTW, R.I.P. Prince Imrahil. We shall all miss the Joker Formerly Known as Prince . . Imrahil.

Also, R.I.P. Hidalgo. Your movie bombed, and so did you. But rest in peace knowing your crappy movie can probably still make millions internationally.

South Gondor, are you enjoying the gradual shift from nation-building to nation-dying? We are here to entertain you.

-Russ for Khamul

[Player]

I'd just like to advise the rest of the players that Saruman is the One True Lord and as the leader of my chosen Third Alternative Allegiance, anyone who has an issue with the Wizard and his plans had better put that bridge back and go through me first.

Stewie

[benmin18]

You put it up. And we're waiting for those PDF/XML files.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Originally posted by benmin18
You put it up.

Okay then. I will. Just you wait. I'm gonna do it. Don't snicker Hormie. Slap him Khamul. Don't make me come over there. I'm serious you know. You're gonna vote Ohio off when you see what I got comin'.

And we're waiting for those PDF/XML files.

Taken care of son, you lost.

Stewie

[deevel]

Mac, maybe you should have just started a game all by yourself...just think how fast you could gather your information.


dug
one confused elf

[deevel]

I will now impart a little info on the one ring i have from experience in 2950.
Finding the One Ring is a HUGE pain in the Ass, dont try till
around turn 20 and with a mage of 200+ ability or you will get
shafted. Finding the One ring is one thing and getting it is
another, Bilbo has the ring untill after turn 40, not sure how
long after but at least turn 40, he will move randomly around the
map turn after turn but will occasionaly stop in one hex for two
turns so you will be following him for a while if you are even
lucky enough to keep tracking the ring and moving an agent to the
hexes it was in. This is when you can steal the ring (stole it
with a 47 and 77 agent before) or challenge bilbo but you better
have a damn good challenge. When the Ring is "STOLEN" no other
nation receives a message like when the ring is "FOUND" of this
i have proof.

The possible reason for not being able to curse the carrier is
that the ring provides extra health to the carrier, he is not
limited to the 100 points as normal characters are, not sure what
the health ranking is but is IS above normal.

The ring CAN be transfered to another character as i have done
it.The 77 agent transfered it to Khamul, so maybe a
transfer down in rank is less likey to succeed.

The ring will corrupt high level characters quickly i have heard
of Saruman being corrupted the same turn he received the ring and
he was a 100 Mage at the time. A corrupted character is lost for
the rest of the game.
Lower rank characters can hold on to the ring for shorter periods
of time then Mid level characters my 47 agent only held the ring
for two turns where as the 77 agent held it for 4 turns before
transfering it and Khamul held it for 4 turns before losing it.
When lost the ring will fall in the hex of the character carrying
it or one hex from that spot.
I have heard, though never confirmed, that the one ring can
travel on its own.

Once you lose the ring it seems about 50% harder to locate it or
pick it up, after i lost the ring a 260 mage with a 98% casting
rank on LAT could not find it after 6 tries as well as the 3
other mages with a little less chance of finding it, the
reason we knew where it was is from the end game report.
There it sat as high and low level characters and different
classes attempted to pick up the ring using the 900 order,
probably 10 attempts.

The ring Does afford the bearer 100 stealth, my 77 agent that
showed up everywhere DID NOT show up on two cities with
over 90 loyalty that were friendly towards me. As for the other bonuses it conveys i am not sure, but i do know that the bonuses
DO NOT show up on your character information on your turnsheet.

Moving the one ring is by foot only, spells will make you lose
the ring automatically. Movement over 2 or 3 hexes is possible
but with lower level characters it is not as possible, with the
77 agent i moved 12 then 11 hexes and Khamul then moved 8 hexes
then 6 hexes.
All of these things may change from game to game and probably do
and actions failing and succeeding where the one ring is linked
to the characters involved so all in all it is a crapshoot.
BTW the discription above when referring to tracking the One Ring
was tracking bilbo not the ring specifically but while he had it
we did locate it as with him. I have heard that he loses the ring
in the later stages of the game and that Frodo does indeed have
it at some point but have not personally confirmed this.
The events above took place in two diff games as DS and from turn
37 to turn 57 and turn 39 to turn 50.

[deevel]

Last info is just some general info I found.

Still confused about the big picture.... .

dug

[Player]

I have a question, posted here publically in order to share the answer as such:

If the Wiz does get the ring, loses Saruman, moves it around, etc...is one of your experiments going to be "What happens when a Neutral casts the ring into Mount Doom?"

I think that's the big one on everyone's mind - if/when you get the ring and if you're successful playing around with it (low odds, it would appear...) then what...? I don't think the players want the game to end "for" either side "artificially" by one player fiddling with his own agenda.

Brad

[deevel]

Chris,

You already know how the Dragon feels. I respect you as a player and I'm very interested in what comes of your quest. I would look unfavorably on any attempts to "force" your hand and would do my best to prevent them. NOTHING like that has come up in our inner circle, though. However, judging by some of the rumors I pick up occasionally, I'm not sure the other team feels the same.

-Russ for Khamul

Does the Dragonlord use lipstick?

Dug
A disgusted elf

[Celebion]

There is no NPC named Frodo in 2950. Gollum can have the ring also.

[Macman]

Another LONG message sorry!

Deevel- you've been holding out on me! This sounds like a mixture of personally verified info and stuff from the Mouth- Is this ALL confirmed from you personally? It makes a difference- I am not going to try to reinvent the wheel- though I will try to pin down when you can start to locate the couriers- and in a game I lost on turn 28 I had Gollum holding the ring... interesting- we should talk! De-bunking the mouth of sauron back issues is a major goal...

As for a neut dropping it in Mt Doom... I didnt think about that! It is a thought- but I think if I tried, I might hit a flag in the programming and loose the thing. I'll have to talk to the powers that be and see if they'll humour me on this. You never know. THEY may not know what happens either! I know that they seem to be trying to buy the rights to the code for this game- which implies that they don't have all the answers at this point in time. Either way- if the movement thing works as described by Deevel, I won't be able to get it to Mt Doom anyways- not without getting killed by somebody en route... Actually- page 5 of the rule book stipulates that it must be an aligned player that does this- it also MAY imply that a neut is unable to even secure the ring... points to ponder...

I will say this- and hope to be prven wrong...

I think it wil take me a LONG time to find it, let alone get it. Even when I get it (IF I get it) I don't expect to be able to move it and IF I can move it, I may work out something with both sides whereby I move it AWAY form MT Doom just to see how the movement thing works... that way everybody gets to continue the slugfest. The only thing I know for certain about the ring is the ending- therefore I don't need to see it. (would be nice though :) ) I seriously think that this game will end sooner than this of course, thus my aggressive efforts to aquire more artis, and get greater co-operation from both sides. Ill post a second message on 'helpful things that we will all be grateful for later' which will detail some things that volunteers can do at thier leisure (like anybody has time for that! Ha!)

I am not here to ruin a game- as a self described oddball, I am not concerned with this aspect to the game. I would LOVE to play a game where I get to do this without worrying about whether the game is about to end or not. MEPBM won't oblige me on this- so I'll do what I can in this game and hope for the best. The average for getting this position is something like one in 20 games? May be as low as one in 14. I am not waiting THAT long for another attempt at this... that's roughly one year to almost 2 years at the outer end to get the position that I need to do this. Of course if I could play WK, Sinda or Drk Lts, I could do this faster- but the war tends to get in the way. No team can afford to loose these posiitons, and to provide the support needed to help them along thus... WW or bust!

Fingers are crossed that this game (a) lasts long enough for me to find it and work through some recovery theories and (b) that both sides find enough of a 'comfort zone' to help me out in the trivial, but essentially necessary, ways that will maximise my efforts.

Macman- Da Wiz

PS: Geez Don- was that me? SOUNDS like me, but I have played in some fast games and I don't remember playing the blondies in a long time... how far back was this alleged mess conducted? Perhaps it was Chris Hind... a chum and co-conspirator in many of my games? He's played the horsey boys at least 4 times...

[Macman]

Things that would help find the ring without actually finding the ring:

1- casting 408, 422, 424 on Bilbo and Gollum- more to see when they come into play than anythign else, but a strong mage may get useful info out of 424...

2- casting 412 on the ring. I am interested to see what it will say- if anything. If the ring isnt in play, will it have a different message? "there is no such artifact vs further efforts will succeed? This tells us when the ring comes into play....

3- 436 on bilbo and gollum. obvious benefits to this spell working...

4- 420, 430- see #3 above

ALSO- naming characters "gollum" and "Bilbo". I have already used the names Frodo and Smeagol so these are not NPC names... and on turn 2 I tried to use "Bilbo" and found the name in use already.... I wish I had tried naming GOllum and Bilbo turn 0! Dumb!!!

I am sure you can think of other things to do that wouldnt cost you the game, and that WOULD help the search... these are just off the top of my head.

Macman

[deevel]

Mac,

No, while I have been around a long time (can you say Earthwood?), I found that information on a ME site.

But I have been in games where the ring was successfully used.

Maybe you should ask Psycho Pirate, he always was a wealth of information. If you could find him.

If you want this game to last a while....maybe you should rethink your position?

dug

[RKFloyd]

<<Does the Dragonlord use lipstick?

Dug
A disgusted elf>>


* Only in your perverted dreams you sick FREAK of an Elf. Does Elrond know about your fantasies? I hear he can be quite jealous. I'd keep this kinda' info "under the table" were I you. And please don't relate any stories to me about "what else" goes on "under the table" in your elvish circles! The only story I'm interested in is the one in progress now . . . the slow and sure demise of your kind.

-Russ for Khamul

[deevel]

"You already know how the Dragon feels."

My sincere apologies. I misinterpreted your statement. Evidently I was wrong about your statement sounding like KISSING WW BUTT.

As for perverted, sick, FREAK of an Elf, you may be right.

Luck,
dug
annoyed ELF

[RKFloyd]

You're just jealous because you personally don't know how the Dragon "feels" in a physical sense. You sick freak Elf. You'll have to stick with your fantasies. The only part of the dragon you'll ever feel is the tip of his sword. Eh? Why does this make you grin? . . . . Ugh!!! Die freak!

[Player]

That's all for me then. I'm not hangin' with some dragon feeler... I guess I'm on my own again. Dragon touchers, freak elfs, Rohan Riders (sicker than the dragon thing, whatever a rohan is). Wonder what I did in my previous life to deserve all this...?

Stewie

[benmin18]

Things just got a WHOLE lot worse for the Free Peoples, didn't it...

- Ben
Dog Lord

[RKFloyd]

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. ......

Dang it! I was trying to count the number of DS armies on my map but I don't have enough fingers!!

Russ, The Ten-Fingered Dragon

[benmin18]

And they're all MINE! The Dog Lord has run rampant out of Morannon!!!!

- Ben
Dog 'Rampant' Lord

[Macman]

How so bad guy?

Macman
Ever in the Dark

[benmin18]

Well, I've just usurped control from everyone else. Long Rider, Ice King, Witch King, Dark Lts., they're all following my lead. The Dog Lord hath spoken.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Macman]

Hmmmm.. a coup eh?....

Perhaps the losers in this internal power struggle would care to join my grand nuetral alliance? We are growing each month!

Macman

[RKFloyd]

Mac,

You better hurry up on finding that ring. These freeps aren't doing you any favors by losing the game in a rapid format.

Russ for Khamul

[Macman]

Yeah, yeah...

This turn a rank 100 mage with a 93% chance failed to get so much as a whisper of the ring... Ill try something a little different next turn involving character based tracking...

Macman

[RKFloyd]

I do believe the rumors about the ring not even turning up 'till turn umpteen. The Freeps don't have the fortitude to keep this game going that long.

Except for Stewie, of course! Stewie is possibly the only worthy player they have what with his experience, charisma, and properly balanced sarcasm. He should really be a DS with us but what can you do?

Russ

[benmin18]

I told him that all we needed was his PDF and XML file and we'd let him in, right?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

:p

Stewie

[benmin18]

So Brad...

How does it feel to be stretched? You've got to cover South Gondor and Rohan. It'd be a pity if we decided to raise the bridge, wouldn't it?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Celebion]

I will take care of the Gap soon enough, so one less thing to worry about.

[Player]

South Gondor and Rohan? Pelargir is "South Gondor", nice and quiet now that the carnival has left town. Rohan? I'm not coverin' nothin! I don't care to know anything about those who "ride" the rohan and I don't even want a hint as to what "cover" entails. You just pop that little bridgie on up there mutt-head.

Stewie

[Player]

Originally posted by RKFloyd
I do believe the rumors about the ring not even turning up 'till turn umpteen.

12 or 13, forget which I got told over and over and over.

Brad

[Fletch]

Fools!!!

I have had the Ring all along!!

I cant see it of course, but it is greasy, rough and smells of onions.

I am the true Master of Mordor

WOOOOOOOHAhahahahahahahahha

The Blind Sorcerer

PS: Blind and Undead, talk about crap luck!!

[Player]

Russ, you're the Personal Secretary to Camel-breadth, si? I've been reading the histories of cross/in-breeding royals and was looking for an appropriate mate for my daughter. Got any kids in line for the title of Nazgul? Nazgulovich? Emily's off in training (hmmmm...not the Haven's again ?? ;) ) who should I recommend her to?

Stewie Proud Dad

[deevel]

Russ,

How about Camel, son of Khamule? Dragons do smoke too much.

dug
the other elf
leader of
E (elms)
L (love)
F (freaks)

[RKFloyd]

Ca-Mule!!

[Player]

touchers, riders, freak-loving trees. i need a bath just reading about you people.

Stewie, Alone By Choice

[benmin18]

And alone you will be to defend Minas Tirith. Our invitation still stands, Brad.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Appreciated Ben, but this is actually a lot of fun!

"Hey guys, I'd like to try and invade Mordor!"
"Sorry, we have quilt's to auction."

"Hey folks, any chance of a little help here?"
"Sorry, but I'd not sure if I can afford to send my LC all that way, so I'll disband them and send you leather."

"Anyone have an agent maybe, for a guard on my guys?"
"Agents? Can't do it friend, I have to scout hexes for production for my camps. Economic development, very important you know."

"Hey, I've got some nice zinfandel as a nation-burning gift, anyone want a glass?"
"Oh yes please!"

"Hey, why do the DS think they're rolling to victory anyway?"
"You're obviously new to this scenario. NG should have taken Durthang and Morgul by now. Hurry up so we can come down there and burn some camps in Mordor already!"

Stewie the Naive

[RKFloyd]

Yeah, Stewie! You should have taken Morgul and Durthang by now. Yes, by yourself! You didn't know this??? Maybe you should stick to 1650.

Russ Ca-Mule

[benmin18]

*Sigh* Brad, just come up to Rohan and fight me. I'm sure South Gondor can take on the Corsairs/QA by himself.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[dshimel]

From the DS musings on the board, it would seem I'd best get busy on stock piling gold to boost my score. Are the FP really rolling over and dieing?

Oh, and what possessed the the QA to think it was okay to place a camp in my woods? Bah-bye.

[RKFloyd]

<<Oh, and what possessed the the QA to think it was okay to place a camp in my woods? .>>


* Probably related to not giving a crap about your nation nor what you do with it. Just a guess.


Russ for Khamul

[dshimel]

"I Aint Got Nobody Nobody Nobody cares for me
I'm So Sad And Lonely Sad and lonely Sad and lonely
Won't some sweet mama come and take a chance with me Cause I aint so bad"

Hummala bebhuhla zeebuhla boobuhla hummala bebhuhla zeebuhla bop

[Player]

Originally posted by dshimel
Are the FP really rolling over and dieing?

I'm actually finding a groove with the whole spasmodic shuddering and flailing around before toppling melodramatically into my river thing ~ hardly "rolling over" I'd say. I've worked very hard to perfect my technique, and if you were the avid student and player of the game you claim to be, you'd take copious notes in respectful silence, thank you very much.

Stewie

[Macman]

Stewie- are you the only freep on this board?

Macman

[benmin18]

Naaaa... someone else posted one way back when. But he's the only one that really matters since he's likely the only one who's competent. Heaven forbid if he actually had any support, eh, Brad?

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Wiz, there's an elf also. Was that ELF? Not sure, they all look alike. Don't read too much into the DS flattery. They do So enjoy their tortures that they're desperate I don't take my marbles and go home.

Stewie

[RKFloyd]

Stewie Rocks! Stewie is da man!!!!!


Russ for Khamul (Who happens to be a big fan of Stewie!)

[Macman]

I wanna be a fan too! Where do I sign up?

Macman

[benmin18]

Only Nazgul and pending Nazgul are allowed membership opportunites. Declare for The Eye and you're part of the club.

- Ben
Dog Lord

[Player]

Wiz,

Wow, I'm humbled. I quit your club on a morality argument and now you want to join mine. Gee, I don't know what to say.

But I'll try.

To begin, you have to send small armies in the wrong direction. Defend major pops with MA, lose major pops, mis-navigate your navies to land in meaningless hexes far from the battle, die blithely to every toddler-assassin that comes "Me want knife Yoooo!" into your tent, buy leather instead of sell mounts at a crucial economic juncture, and tell your allies "Oh I'm fine, I didn't need that 1/2 of my nation anyway" when they offer help.

Get that about right and you're not only in the Fan Club, I'll make you VP.

Stewie the CEO

[Macman]

I can manage almost all of that- but I dont have any 'allies' per se, and while I could loose half my nation in a blink, I wouldnt have anybody to say "Oh Im fine..." too. Drat! You set the bar too high!!!

It's discrimination I tell ya!

Macman

[benmin18]

Sounds like too much damn work...

- Ben
Dog "Lazy" Lord

[dshimel]

Originally posted by benmin18
Sounds like too much damn work...

- Ben
Dog "Lazy" Lord

Not really. Screwing up comes pretty naturally to me. No work at all.

Like the one time I meant to 610 an ally's last commander but instead 615'd him..... That went over well.

Makes any of the above listed screw ups seem like child's play.

See FP, by me being neutral, I'm actually strengthening your team... Maybe I'll join the DS to help balance the game some. They got Corsairs and Khand, so should have to put up with my screw ups as well.

[RKFloyd]

Wow, Darrel, that's two posts in a row that did not mention "vc points" nor "stockpiling" nor anything else from your "soapbox". Are you now attempting to re-ingratiate yourself with the community or have you simply run out of things to say?

[dshimel]

Originally posted by RKFloyd
Are you now attempting to re-ingratiate yourself with the community or have you simply run out of things to say?

Never, either.

I play the way I play, and I say what I think. If that takes me out of favor, too freakin' bad. I'll never "suck up" or shut up.

Since no one brought up PRS, I felt no obligation to mention it. Now that someone has, I will.

Tell me. If the PRS is good for the game, how can playing for a good score be bad for the game? How can wanting to be the best ranked player I can be, put me in disfavor, unless of course, it is a SUCKY system that rewards SUCKY play?

I'm going to get 2000 VPs for this game, unless the DS and/or FP launch a character attack in the end game. Back in the bad old days of GSI, when the VPs had meaning (like they again do now) I had to do many of those. They were no fun.

Regardless of whether you attack me or not, I've show that playing in a game with someone that is trying to get MAX VPs, is no fun. Since PRS encourages people to play for Max VPs, it is bad for the game.

You anger and name calling have gone a very long way to proving my point. Thanks. The FP silence sure didn't help me. Rat bastards, keeping thier mouths shut...


So, if I to believe half of what I hear, the WK is burning Ranger pops, QA and Corsairs are slicing and dicing SG, while the NG recovers from an early ass kicking, while Khand is rolling the Northmen, the DrgLrd sits secure in Mirkwood, Dog threatens to overrun Rohan and WW is ignoring everyone while looking for the one ring.

Wow, some balance could sure be brought to the game if it weren't for PRS and the way it encourages neutrals to sit on the fence for as long as possible, then jump onto the winning side at the last minute.

Guess I'll be jumping to the DS real soon. I better start recruiting and selling to get the army and gold scores up.

[deevel]

"So, if I to believe half of what I hear, the WK is burning Ranger pops, QA and Corsairs are slicing and dicing SG, while the NG recovers from an early ass kicking, while Khand is rolling the Northmen, the DrgLrd sits secure in Mirkwood, Dog threatens to overrun Rohan and WW is ignoring everyone while looking for the one ring."
-----------
Well there are two sides to every story....and as soon as Stewie gets off his high horse (wait, Doglord killed his last horse).....
-----------

"Wow, some balance could sure be brought to the game if it weren't for PRS and the way it encourages neutrals to sit on the fence for as long as possible, then jump onto the winning side at the last minute.

Guess I'll be jumping to the DS real soon. I better start recruiting and selling to get the army and gold scores up."

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Good, that will mean "if" we win, it will be 9 against 15, and a new legend will be told around the ole Greenwood campfires.
If we lose, we were outnumbered by 6 nations, another good tale will be told around the old Mirkwood campfires.
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"Naaaa... someone else posted one way back when."
"Wiz, there's an elf also. Was that ELF? Not sure, they all look alike."
------------
Wow, now I'm the Rodney Dangerfield of MiddleEarth.

Dug
the other ELF
Leader of the ELF (Elfs Liberate Mordor)

PS: For anyone wondering about our 9.....well, since Stewie keeps straddling the fence......

[VEO]

Originally posted by deevel
For anyone wondering about our 9.....well, since Stewie keeps straddling the fence......

And here the DS had me convinced the FP consisted of 1 with 9 straddling the fence, you know, the one slowly receding in Mordor...or was that Rohan...or Rhun? I can't keep it all straight. Hmmm. If I joined the Wizard would the DS promise to leave me alone? Maybe these "riders" would consider the same, they seem to claim hardship...

Stewie

[RKFloyd]

<<Guess I'll be jumping to the DS real soon. I better start recruiting and selling to get the army and gold scores up.>>


Hi Darrel,

I read a little bit of your note. If there was anything important in it, would you mind paraphrasing it? I have other things to do.

Russ for Khamul

[deevel]

Stewie,

Try order, 175N; Change Allegiance to Neutral.

Dug

PS - If you promise to join the WW, the 9 will promise to leave you alone, well, since we have been leaving you alone to win this war....that won't be much of a stretch. Hey, you are still invited to the DOL GULDOR BASH 04, Khamul is providing the beer, so it ain't SAM Gondorian ADAMS...but it isn't all that bad either.

[Celebion]

Originally posted by deevel
Stewie,

Try order, 175N; Change Allegiance to Neutral.

Dug

PS - If you promise to join the WW, the 9 will promise to leave you alone, well, since we have been leaving you alone to win this war....that won't be much of a stretch. Hey, you are still invited to the DOL GULDOR BASH 04, Khamul is providing the beer, so it ain't SAM Gondorian ADAMS...but it isn't all that bad either.


Needless promise as the "9" have left him alone for the entire game.

I will make the FP a promise if you don’t attack FK armies, I will not attack FP armies or pop centers as long as there are unaligned neutrals west of the gap. I don’t even care who wins this game though I don’t think the outcome is in doubt. My goals are west of the Gap.

Ren the secessionist

[deevel]

Ren,

Why go with the term "unaligned neutrals, west of the gap"? Spit it out, do you want to attack the Duns, who stated they may go DS? Or the WW, who is definately north, south, east & west of the gap?

Dug

[Celebion]

Originally posted by deevel
Ren,

Why go with the term "unaligned neutrals, west of the gap"? Spit it out, do you want to attack the Duns, who stated they may go DS? Or the WW, who is definately north, south, east & west of the gap?

Dug


Duns first and foremost though I am assuming he will flip DS if I am ever able to slog through the Gap.

Macman (the WW) is a recent ally whom I DO respect. Played with him in ass-stomping of the FP that was 227, however I dislike neutrals this late in the game even though I understand his desire for research. Don't care to drop this game and don’t care to let it languish for x turns trying to do the ring thing.

Unfortunately for me, the FK has weak characters so not much I can do when the Duns flip DS

I don’t speak for the DS team; I parted ways with them some time back. The DS agenda is to hammer the FP, mine is not. I fear the DS are a very linear thinking group so I am unlikely to get much help in my endeavor.

Really there are only 9 DS plus the neutrals if anyone is keeping score.

Ren, one of one

[RKFloyd]

Hammer FP! Hammer FP!! Hammer FP!!!



-Russ of the Linear One-Track Mind

[Celebion]

Originally posted by RKFloyd
Hammer FP! Hammer FP!! Hammer FP!!!



-Russ of the Linear One-Track Mind


I believe that is “Must hammer FP, Must hammer FP………..”

At least it is an upgrade from “Back-line Russ”

Halo crash or something?

;)

[VEO]

Originally posted by Celebion
The DS agenda is to hammer the FP, mine is not.

Pardon me, but I don't understand this statement. Considering the generally accepted "team" format of the "open" games, wouldn't one who desired to play a solitary game either play another variant or a Neutral. That's what Macman is doing, but an allegiance player? If you care not to discus on an open forum for whatever reason, I'd appreciate some kind of reply so PM would do. I'm not making a morality play, I'm genuinely curious as to your position.

Thanks,

Brad

[Fletch]

Madness, simply madness....

This game is the weirdest thing I have seen in a long time. Glad I am part of it! Which actually isnt sarcasm!

Fletch the Blind Prestidigitator