Bryn Lloyd
19th October 2008, 03:10 PM
Ok thanks Brad - missed that then! My games with GAD and Allsorts
didnt count then :-( and I know a few others too who definately
didnt submit their scores.
Isnt it about time a fair scoring system was put together? As I have
emailed Tony, I would like to see one that takes account of the last
x number of games for e.g. - all players (apart from brand new ones)
are then equally compared.
Bryn
--- In mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Brad Brunet <bbme@...> wrote:
>
> ME Games asked the players to tell them how many games they've
been in, grudge or regular, how many they dropped, how many wins,
losses, etc.* At that time of Excel sheet madness, I actually had a
sheet tracking all my games and reported pretty accurately and,
here's the kicker....*honestly*.* I doubt that was* universal at the
time.
>
> So, when the first lists came out, instead of starting everyone at
0 in a fixed point in time and running the calculations from any
past games to that point, or even starting everyone equal at that
initial point, we got lists where scores started over 2000, over
2200, if my memory serves me.* Who's to say what they meant then
and, as a result, of what real use they are today...
>
> Worse still, now that we're no longer getting our monthly or so
emails with our personal scores, if we're not on the list we have no
idea what our own scores are...* If for no other reason than to see
how this or that game has impacted my score from the last time, etc.
>
> Brad
>
> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Bryn Lloyd <brynlloyd@...> wrote:
> From: Bryn Lloyd <brynlloyd@...>
> Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: prs ... review...?
> To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> Received: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 2:48 PM
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> Self reporting starting system?
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> --- In mepbmlist@yahoogrou ps.com, Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@ ...>
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I'm assuming all the PRS relevant data is still in existence...
>
> >
>
> > I was never sold on the self-report starting rating system. Not
>
> to call into question anyone's integrity, but some of
the "starting"
>
> rankings were a little tough to swallow in light of my "honest"
self-
>
> assessment. Since the change in rank is dependent on the current
>
> rank, it would likely be a player by player, game by game massive
>
> data job to reset all those starting ranks to 1500 and re-
calculate
>
> from there (which I'd like to see...).
>
> >
>
> > One thing I WOULD like to see is an extra column that calculates
>
> the difference between those self-reported Starting ranks and the
>
> current ones. Someone who ended up with a 1950 at the start and
is
>
> now 1800 is thusly -150, while someone else who started at 1650
and
>
> is now 1800 is +150...which would appear to me to shed a little
>
> more "meaningful" relative light on what would otherwise appear to
>
> be a "tie".
>
> >
>
> > Brad Brunet
>
> >
>
> > ME Games Ltd <me@> wrote:
>
> > Just representing some opinions that were brought up Ed and
seeing
>
> what the
>
> > response was. Seems it wasn't particularly popular or un-popular
>
> so no
>
> > change to be made to PRS. No major conspiracy or the like... :-)
>
> >
>
> > Enjoy PRS if you do, ignore it if you want. Your call...
>
> >
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> > Clint
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> >
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> >
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> > >Mike:
>
> > >Perhaps it is time to review why the PRS was established. The
>
> reason given
>
> > >forward was "a bit of fun". The PRS was NOT presented as either
>
> fair or
>
> > >accurate, only as " a bit of fun." If non-voters are making
this
>
> a non-fun
>
> > >event then the entire project is called into question.
>
> > >
>
> > >You know not even Darryl or me ever suggested the PRS was
unfair
>
> I wonder
>
> > >what sort of huffy response we would have received if we had.
>
> > >
>
> > >Actually I forsaw this future event when the PRS was put
forward.
>
> I asked
>
> > >the GM how much he was going to tweak the business until he got
>
> the result
>
> > >he wanted. He assured that would not be done.
>
> > >Ed Mills
>
> > >
>
> > > > >From: "Urzahil"
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> > > > >Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogrou ps.com
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> > > > >To:
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> > > > >Subject: [mepbmlist] RE: PRS votes
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> > > > >Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:13:27 -0500
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> > > > >I personally agree with Clint's idea. If people refuse to
>
> participate,
>
> > > > >then the results are even less meaningful than not allowing
>
> them to
>
> > > > >receive votes would be. I'd rather have a rating system
where
>
> only the
>
> > > > >people who choose to participate are rated, rather than one
>
> where
>
> > > > >someone who refuses to participate, (and hence makes the
>
> system less
>
> > > > >meaningful) , can still get votes from others.
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> > > > >Whether enacting the proposed restriction on receiving
votes
>
> encourages
>
> > > > >more players to send in their own votes or not, (and I
think
>
> it would to
>
> > > > >some degree), it seems rather unfair that someone who
refuses
>
> to vote
>
> > > > >should be able to get the benefit (however insubstantial)
of
>
> receiving
>
> > > > >someone else's vote.
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> > > > >That's just my personal opinion, of course.
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> > > > >Mike
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about
>
> any
>
> > > > >positive
>
> > > > > >> or negative results that may find their way onto the
>
> lists. I'm glad
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> > > > >my
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> > > > > >> presence on a team is more appreciated than not, though.
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of
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>
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didnt count then :-( and I know a few others too who definately
didnt submit their scores.
Isnt it about time a fair scoring system was put together? As I have
emailed Tony, I would like to see one that takes account of the last
x number of games for e.g. - all players (apart from brand new ones)
are then equally compared.
Bryn
--- In mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Brad Brunet <bbme@...> wrote:
>
> ME Games asked the players to tell them how many games they've
been in, grudge or regular, how many they dropped, how many wins,
losses, etc.* At that time of Excel sheet madness, I actually had a
sheet tracking all my games and reported pretty accurately and,
here's the kicker....*honestly*.* I doubt that was* universal at the
time.
>
> So, when the first lists came out, instead of starting everyone at
0 in a fixed point in time and running the calculations from any
past games to that point, or even starting everyone equal at that
initial point, we got lists where scores started over 2000, over
2200, if my memory serves me.* Who's to say what they meant then
and, as a result, of what real use they are today...
>
> Worse still, now that we're no longer getting our monthly or so
emails with our personal scores, if we're not on the list we have no
idea what our own scores are...* If for no other reason than to see
how this or that game has impacted my score from the last time, etc.
>
> Brad
>
> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Bryn Lloyd <brynlloyd@...> wrote:
> From: Bryn Lloyd <brynlloyd@...>
> Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: prs ... review...?
> To: mepbmlist (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
> Received: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 2:48 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Self reporting starting system?
>
>
>
> --- In mepbmlist@yahoogrou ps.com, Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@ ...>
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I'm assuming all the PRS relevant data is still in existence...
>
> >
>
> > I was never sold on the self-report starting rating system. Not
>
> to call into question anyone's integrity, but some of
the "starting"
>
> rankings were a little tough to swallow in light of my "honest"
self-
>
> assessment. Since the change in rank is dependent on the current
>
> rank, it would likely be a player by player, game by game massive
>
> data job to reset all those starting ranks to 1500 and re-
calculate
>
> from there (which I'd like to see...).
>
> >
>
> > One thing I WOULD like to see is an extra column that calculates
>
> the difference between those self-reported Starting ranks and the
>
> current ones. Someone who ended up with a 1950 at the start and
is
>
> now 1800 is thusly -150, while someone else who started at 1650
and
>
> is now 1800 is +150...which would appear to me to shed a little
>
> more "meaningful" relative light on what would otherwise appear to
>
> be a "tie".
>
> >
>
> > Brad Brunet
>
> >
>
> > ME Games Ltd <me@> wrote:
>
> > Just representing some opinions that were brought up Ed and
seeing
>
> what the
>
> > response was. Seems it wasn't particularly popular or un-popular
>
> so no
>
> > change to be made to PRS. No major conspiracy or the like... :-)
>
> >
>
> > Enjoy PRS if you do, ignore it if you want. Your call...
>
> >
>
> > Clint
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > >Mike:
>
> > >Perhaps it is time to review why the PRS was established. The
>
> reason given
>
> > >forward was "a bit of fun". The PRS was NOT presented as either
>
> fair or
>
> > >accurate, only as " a bit of fun." If non-voters are making
this
>
> a non-fun
>
> > >event then the entire project is called into question.
>
> > >
>
> > >You know not even Darryl or me ever suggested the PRS was
unfair
>
> I wonder
>
> > >what sort of huffy response we would have received if we had.
>
> > >
>
> > >Actually I forsaw this future event when the PRS was put
forward.
>
> I asked
>
> > >the GM how much he was going to tweak the business until he got
>
> the result
>
> > >he wanted. He assured that would not be done.
>
> > >Ed Mills
>
> > >
>
> > > > >From: "Urzahil"
>
> > > > >Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogrou ps.com
>
> > > > >To:
>
> > > > >Subject: [mepbmlist] RE: PRS votes
>
> > > > >Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:13:27 -0500
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >I personally agree with Clint's idea. If people refuse to
>
> participate,
>
> > > > >then the results are even less meaningful than not allowing
>
> them to
>
> > > > >receive votes would be. I'd rather have a rating system
where
>
> only the
>
> > > > >people who choose to participate are rated, rather than one
>
> where
>
> > > > >someone who refuses to participate, (and hence makes the
>
> system less
>
> > > > >meaningful) , can still get votes from others.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Whether enacting the proposed restriction on receiving
votes
>
> encourages
>
> > > > >more players to send in their own votes or not, (and I
think
>
> it would to
>
> > > > >some degree), it seems rather unfair that someone who
refuses
>
> to vote
>
> > > > >should be able to get the benefit (however insubstantial)
of
>
> receiving
>
> > > > >someone else's vote.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >That's just my personal opinion, of course.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Mike
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
>
> > > > > >From: ME Games Ltd
>
> > > > > >To: mepbmlist@yahoogrou ps.com
>
> > > > > >Sent: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:28:24 +0100
>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] The Best Ever Middle Earth Play
By
>
> Mail Top
>
> > > > >100
>
> > > > > >Players!
>
> > > > > >> I do have a sad confession to make though -- personally
I
>
> don't fill
>
> > > > >out
>
> > > > > >> the voting sheets for the PRS. So I cannot complain
about
>
> any
>
> > > > >positive
>
> > > > > >> or negative results that may find their way onto the
>
> lists. I'm glad
>
> > > > >my
>
> > > > > >> presence on a team is more appreciated than not, though.
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >One minor change that has been proposed for the Council
of
>
> the Wise is
>
> > > > >that
>
> > > > > >you can only get votes if you vote. Encourages
>
> participation that way.
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >Thoughts?
>
> > > > > >Clint
>
> > > > >
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