ME 1650 Game 07

[JDScherrey]

The Easterlings bid greetings to the other Lords of Middle Earth. :cool:

I await your diplomats... :D

Scherrey71@yahoo.com

[Banal]

Dark Lt's - doug.bierbower@verizon.net

[Rocklizard]

Greetings from the Pirates.

Parlay is available at mikehornung@hotmail.com

Avast, me hearties!!!!

[STEVENB]

Duns Checking In.

Best wishes for a good game.

Steve

Brydges123@yahoo.com

[Diehard]

The Bad Man rises from the shifting sands, taking control of the Haradrim tribes.

I seek opportunities for conquest and plunder. Any offers should be sent to: heironeous -at - shaw.ca

[Pyro]

Hello All,

Wish everyone the best of luck. Dragon Lord may be contacted at Oracle08@mtaonline.net


Khamul

[Schmitt]

Toodle pip from the Woodmen!

We can be reached at robschmitt08@comcast.net

Rob

[Pearly]

Hello from Arthedain. Email me at johndgates@hotmail.com.

[ruggha]

Please do not email me...I will email you. Consider long the implications of such....

[seejaie]

Economy got you down? Need a job? Cardolan is hiring! Brave men are needed every week throughout old Arnor - no armor required, but please bring a sharpened stick or sturdy bludgeon.

Interested? email: "seejaie" at the "gmail dot com "

[Tine]

Hi all, I'm apparently NG in this game. Bit confused about the general setup (not the nation's mind you), but never mind...I welcome contact with everybody under bettinajwagner at web.de Please leave out the spaces and do the usual with the at :)

Cheers, Tine

[Pearly]

I thought I was only on the lsit for the one week game. The front sheet indciates the one week game is still pending. Nonetheless, I am looking forward to this game.

[Tine]

err - I thought this is the one week game???

[Thavius]

Hello all

The Bitch..er Witch King checking in.

I would enjoy talks with both the Dunlendings and Rhudaur as well as all the other neutrals. I would also enjoy long moonlight walks with...nevermind - wrong forum.

Friends and foes alike are welcome to contact me at kevin.risner@gmail.com

I look forward to ridding ME of the FP extremists. :D

[JDScherrey]

This the (1) week game.

[Pearly]

Apologies. I read the Forum's front sheet rather than my pdf. The front sheet said the one week game was still open. I stand corrected.

[ruggha]

I look forward to ridding ME of the FP extremists. :D

Not all of them. We need to keep some in an appropriate reserve. Stewards of the earth, and all.

[ruggha]

I stand corrected.

Not exactly - you'll BOW corrected before we're through with you...

[ruggha]

Hi all, I'm apparently NG in this game. Bit confused...

Just a bit..? Give it a few weeks...

[ruggha]

Economy got you down? Need a job? Cardolan is hiring! Brave men are needed every week throughout old Arnor - no armor required, but please bring a sharpened stick or sturdy bludgeon.

Read the fine print folks, Cardolan doesn't pay much for those hires... I suspect there are alternative sources of employment for those currently between careers that are much more exciting, and I guarantee you much more lucrative...

[ruggha]

Toodle pip from the Woodmen!

Toodle pip. This is..

Really, I mean...

Okay, I got nothing, nil, nada, zilch. Toodle pip. My my....

[ruggha]

Any offers should be sent to: heironeous -at - shaw.ca

Um, can I offer you the Woodle..I mean Woodpip....I mean... Never at such a loss before. Toodle pip......really......

[seejaie]

Read the fine print folks, Cardolan doesn't pay much for those hires... I suspect there are alternative sources of employment for those currently between careers that are much more exciting, and I guarantee you much more lucrative...

We won't pay the soldier's more than a couple gold a week, it's true. But in the tradition of the banking crisis, we will compensate the leaders of the neutral faction richly even if they should happen to lose all their battles ;)

[ruggha]

Gentlemen. Let's get serious a little bit here, okay? See Jay (See Jay Fly! See Jay Cheer for the Orioles! See Jay eat the poisoned donut!) thinks you're dithering and blithering idiots. I know, call me (collect) and I'll point you to his YouTube clip where you'll see his classic line:

"Neutrals? Give me a break, Please, Thank You, and Can I Make You a Sandwich? is all I want from those losers~!"

The guy lives in Seattle or something ridiculous like that. Can we all get over ANY thought of this whole "Good" vs "Bad" conversation? The advertisers pay for the media - please tell me which side *they* represent..? Thought so. Give me a mail, we'll set something up...kill a few elven lackeys and promote your glory and victory from 0101 through 4439. Bah to the Imlannati and Yeah to the coming age of Man~!

this message brought to you by the Cloud Lord - Kill an Elf, Save the World

[ruggha]

there, got over that whole pippy thing nicely, didn't I...?

[HolyAvenger]

err - I thought this is the one week game???

Nice to see you again.. But on opposite teams! Sheesh! Have fun anyways!

[HolyAvenger]

alright I'm the doglord.. those who wish to email me misonor@yahoo.com.. hey I even reply to hate mail :)

[HolyAvenger]

Please do not email me...I will email you. Consider long the implications of such....

I consider the implications of just posting my email address and declaring which nation I am playing! so i will gladly abide by your wish!

[Tine]

maybe next time - nice to see you're still around

[Tine]

I think the confusion will clear off in a while when I get used to my nation. I'm confused because basically the only think I asked for in this game (and I said I'd play any nation) I didn't get...:)

[ruggha]

The startup was all mystery, but since then, I haven't gotten anything I've asked for either... :(

[Whitmal]

YO,

I am #24--whitmalcooper@gmail.com

some may know me others not. lets have some fun!


i see you terry!



Whit

[Whitmal]

yo,
the free are missing?

[ruggha]

Doesn't that tell you all you need to know...?

the cloud

[HolyAvenger]

Hmmm Looks to me like the FP are stunned! Dog Cav and IK staring army on turn 1.. Hasn't been done in years! But then again i am very very old school.. I personally think IK getting OZ turn 2 is that signficant..

Sorry Tine.. I planned this just as soon as i got my setup! didn't know who NG was just gonna Define the importance of 3024 in one week game.. The Grudge Gaming Experts seem to have forgot it!

[Pearly]

Sheesh,

You DS read like glass-half-empty kind of guys, assuming the worst about the FP communication on the boards. In reality we have been so consumed with our fool proof strategizing meetings that we haven't had time for the pithy banter with the likes of your kind.

Now if all you guys can do is muster up an all fronts assualt of NG and hot air blowing on the boards, please continue. Devote your attention to these trivial pursuits while we continue to march all over the map, achieving the elusive but achievable T3 military victory.

Arthy

[ruggha]

please no concessions. someone here will be last, and it will be long and extremely fulfilling...for me at least...

cloud

[HolyAvenger]

Sheesh,

You DS read like glass-half-empty kind of guys, assuming the worst about the FP communication on the boards. In reality we have been so consumed with our fool proof strategizing meetings that we haven't had time for the pithy banter with the likes of your kind.

Now if all you guys can do is muster up an all fronts assualt of NG and hot air blowing on the boards, please continue. Devote your attention to these trivial pursuits while we continue to march all over the map, achieving the elusive but achievable T3 military victory.

Arthy

Turn 3! you truly suffer from extreme delusions of Granduer! you Lost an entire Pass into mordor.. Foolishly send 4 cav armies to to 3120 which you cannot even Take Moronan.. Maybe siege it only to Lose not only all that Cav but every Commander there.. Your vision of Victory cannot even be achieved By turn 15 Much less turn 3!

Here is yet another fool failing to understand the importance of OZ and it's falling on turn 2! But the lessons shall be taught in this game should be remembered if some are wise enough to learn from them!;)

[Gixxer]

Hmmm Looks to me like the FP are stunned! Dog Cav and IK staring army on turn 1.. Hasn't been done in years! But then again i am very very old school.. I personally think IK getting OZ turn 2 is that signficant..

Sorry Tine.. I planned this just as soon as i got my setup! didn't know who NG was just gonna Define the importance of 3024 in one week game.. The Grudge Gaming Experts seem to have forgot it!

Oz again!
This MT is really of no importance!
Doesn't matter if it's a grudge or a one-weeker.

Waste you power!

Gixxx

[HolyAvenger]

YO,

I am #24--whitmalcooper@gmail.com

some may know me others not. lets have some fun!


i see you terry!



Whit

i'm probably to close for comfort .. Nice to see you Whit!:D

[HolyAvenger]

Oz again!
This MT is really of no importance!
Doesn't matter if it's a grudge or a one-weeker.

Waste you power!

Gixxx

Well that's where we don't see eye to eye! But it's not s startegic location for no reason! While the FP believe it's just another MT the DS it's a Very important pc! That should make it of Vital importance to FP.. but then again what do I know about strategy , Tactics and How to hurt my opposition.. It's your story so stick to it! ;)

[HolyAvenger]

Oz again!
This MT is really of no importance!
Doesn't matter if it's a grudge or a one-weeker.

Waste you power!

Gixxx

One more thing.. Taking 2 Mt's and 2 towns From the one of the Most powerful FP nations and losing No Mt's is not a waste of Power, It's called a winning Opening Move! :bash:

[Thavius]

The Witch King would like to call for an immediate cease fire agreement.

I say why should we always attack each other every game? Can't we just get along?

Let's do things differently this game!

I say we have a 10 turn non-aggression pact. Who knows - maybe we'll go take Mordor for ourselves!

What say you Arth-Card-Noldo?

:D

[ruggha]

Athaulf agrees with you, alas, but I fear the citizens of Brother Ren's noble nation are a little too worked up this week to sign on...

[Gixxer]

One more thing.. Taking 2 Mt's and 2 towns From the one of the Most powerful FP nations and losing No Mt's is not a waste of Power, It's called a winning Opening Move! :bash:

I've only lost Ithil so far!

[gator1]

lots of dead goblins on the ground this turn ..........big splat on the walls.

[Diehard]

I've only lost Ithil so far!

I thought Tine was playing North Gondor. Did you take over for her, Gixxx?

- K / Southrons

[HolyAvenger]

I've only lost Ithil so far!

Hmm are you admitting now OZ is more important than you intial plan suggested in blowing the bridge turn 1!

In my personal expierence as NG Tine's move was bold and brilliant had the DS played a normal game of waiting to attack OZ..

from the loses I seen and the gains Ds got! This is one of the best openings for a DS team in years of playing.

As for the Troops going splat on Ithil walls I take sole responsibilty for this part! But the also take credit for The Damage even the splat did to Cut down one FP's most econmically and miltary strong nations.

As I have said many times who controls OZ is winning the Game.. But that is just one piece of the the puzzle.

Terry

[seejaie]

I know I am on the opposite team, so I can probably expect only bloviation and ordure back for an answer. However, I am dying to ask - if you see your opening as so instrumental to domination and kick-buttery, then why hasn't it "been done in years"? While your opening was different, its not revolutionary. Why would your opening have become unpopular in the face of a more conventional DS opening?

In any case, your trumpeting seems a bit premature. You should save it for a turn when we lose more characters than you.

[ruggha]

no...don't do it....for all our sake..!!!!!

[HolyAvenger]

I know I am on the opposite team, so I can probably expect only bloviation and ordure back for an answer. However, I am dying to ask - if you see your opening as so instrumental to domination and kick-buttery, then why hasn't it "been done in years"? While your opening was different, its not revolutionary. Why would your opening have become unpopular in the face of a more conventional DS opening?

In any case, your trumpeting seems a bit premature. You should save it for a turn when we lose more characters than you.

to answer it quite simply.. How many Dklts and Dog lords players would rather sacrifice their entire starting armies. IE Cav armies for IK and FK to get ithil and OZ and lose 3120 and have possibility 3221 sieged..

But the real effect is simple .. The FP are reacting to a DS military offensive and FP are doing what? ;)

Yes as i have said at the very begining.. This hasn't been done for a very longtime.. Who would expect a Premadonna player to make such move!

[ruggha]

Osgiliath schmosgiliath. I've never valued one MT over another, I'm not a big believer in "Quality" when I have the opportunity for "Quantity". In my special case, that's "quantity of Eothraim starters" but hey, that's just how the ball bounces...

[Tine]

Errrr - if NG might have a word....I looked at my turn 1 results and thought that there weren't many DS troops in reach of my PCs that haven't made it there.

But getting turn 2 back was fun. Ik without an agent 40 thanks to SG; Doggy and FK both one commander down and Ithil standing as a roadblock; DrL army caught by Eos...I think I can live with these results. Frankly, I think the DS could have made more out of this move.

Terry, don't worry, it's a game. I don't feel picked at. If I ever do I won' hesitate to tell you :).

Cheers, Tine who still has more PCs than she expected and who'll need a hosepipe installed at Ithil to wash off the bodies because they STINK

[HolyAvenger]

Errrr - if NG might have a word....I looked at my turn 1 results and thought that there weren't many DS troops in reach of my PCs that haven't made it there.

But getting turn 2 back was fun. Ik without an agent 40 thanks to SG; Doggy and FK both one commander down and Ithil standing as a roadblock; DrL army caught by Eos...I think I can live with these results. Frankly, I think the DS could have made more out of this move.

Terry, don't worry, it's a game. I don't feel picked at. If I ever do I won' hesitate to tell you :).

Cheers, Tine who still has more PCs than she expected and who'll need a hosepipe installed at Ithil to wash off the bodies because they STINK

LOL Tine! yeah I really didn't see that third army at Ithil that made me bounce real hard off those walls! But so typical of me Halfass brilliant and Halfass retarded!

heck to really pick on you means suffering from your scorn.. In the end I would be begging for mercy you always find new ways to character kills even without agents! also why I knew Tarandor would still be at my capitol this turn! ;)

[Gixxer]

I thought Tine was playing North Gondor. Did you take over for her, Gixxx?

- K / Southrons

No!

... but Terry was a part of another team ... and he has talked about it.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[Gixxer]

Hmm are you admitting now OZ is more important than you intial plan suggested in blowing the bridge turn 1!

In my personal expierence as NG Tine's move was bold and brilliant had the DS played a normal game of waiting to attack OZ..

from the loses I seen and the gains Ds got! This is one of the best openings for a DS team in years of playing.

As for the Troops going splat on Ithil walls I take sole responsibilty for this part! But the also take credit for The Damage even the splat did to Cut down one FP's most econmically and miltary strong nations.

As I have said many times who controls OZ is winning the Game.. But that is just one piece of the the puzzle.

Terry

... perhaps in this indie-games!

... but I'm not playing them.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[mgrazebrook]

Hmmm Looks to me like the FP are stunned! Dog Cav and IK staring army on turn 1.. Hasn't been done in years!

*splat* and now we know why .. But it was a bold move.

I see the Clod Lord isn't up to much - even South Gondor's racked up more kills! It seems arena fights have become all the rage in the mountains of West Mordor. As Baranor drew the last of Rozilian's sizzling life essence from her body, the mountains around Barad Ungol echoed to the cheers of the Fire King's minions. We really hadn't expected such an ovation. But later we heard rumours about Roz's agonsing experiments on the locals. So not such a surprise then.

[ruggha]

The new Eo lad was lucky in the back, but Ji's not interested in killing as much as collecting. Their screams of agony, their begging for release, better than any lullaby. You keep on killing our sociologists, anthropologists, and radical scientists - you're doing the establishment a favour. I'll keep taking your commanders and leaders. We'll see whose plan carries the day.

[mgrazebrook]

Who'se playing the Long Rider?

[ruggha]

Some guy named Bob. Ever met him?

[mgrazebrook]

Some guy named Bob. Ever met him?

Not sure - which bob?

[mgrazebrook]

Yesterday the duelling season was well underway. At Kal Nagril crowds paid premium prices to see the mutch-touted match between Saerol of South Gondor and Gontran of the Cloud Lord. The crowd's enthusiasm was rewarded with a long and bloody match, some stunning acrobatics from the murderous Gontran, who at one point danced his way between the strands of a fire-spray to cut a bloody gash on Saerol's flank. But eventually magic won the day as Gontran's twisted soul was dragged from his body, writhed for a moment before the crowd, faded to mist, before disappearing to its final torment with a flash in which some said you could see the firy demons of hell.

Saerol's next engagement is a well-kept secret, and rumours of advance ticket sales are entirely unfounded.

[ruggha]

Gontran was involved in a ring of perps subjecting our youth to unspeakable travesties. Again, you've done much of our job for us - the people and overburdened court system thank you.

ji

[HolyAvenger]

interesting in this format success can bring hardship! Corsairs and Harad jumping on Qa for whatever reason helps the FP and hurts the DS.. even though the slaughter rages at OZ and Wk shows his power in NW.. this game the pendulum has swung back to FP becuase Harad and Corsiars have sided with the FP.. No amount positive thinking can change those simple truths!

[JeremyRichman]

Can't believe the fuss over Osgiliath which is, when you come down to it, typically doomed to fall sooner or later and change hands many times. Victory is accomplished by damaging/reducing the enemy's ability to make war, not by taking outlying outposts. In the military domain, the FP were ahead in that aspect even before the southern neutrals jumped the QA by all but ousting the DragonLord from Mirkwood. The DS accomplishment in that area is the kidnapping of Eothraim characters, to date.

Jeremy (Noldo)

[HolyAvenger]

Can't believe the fuss over Osgiliath which is, when you come down to it, typically doomed to fall sooner or later and change hands many times. Victory is accomplished by damaging/reducing the enemy's ability to make war, not by taking outlying outposts. In the military domain, the FP were ahead in that aspect even before the southern neutrals jumped the QA by all but ousting the DragonLord from Mirkwood. The DS accomplishment in that area is the kidnapping of Eothraim characters, to date.

Jeremy (Noldo)

Leave it to another nation played by the FP to downgrade the signifcance of OZ.. But answer this who's getting Tax revenue for it.. Minas Ithil is a MT completely safe becuase DS Hold OZ.. those 300 hi recruited by IK at OZ vs 400 By NG meaniless.. :rolleyes:

So all those FP trying to retake OZ becuase it means nothing which they will Lose again this Turn! I'm quite sure NG does not want a town fort recruiting next to his capitol! That must be insignificant as easterlings having a town next NM capitol! yes OZ smoz.. It's meaningless.. so NG and SG blow the bridges at Minas Arnor and Pelegir and stay Off DS territory.. OZ truly means nothing so I'm told.. But then again what do I know about this game other than how to Capture OZ turn 2;) for my team!

[ruggha]

the fp attacked the dragon lord. the ds took osgiliath. my oh my we're all a little tree-happy in a forest of which we're totally and completely unaware, no?

[JeremyRichman]

Seriously! Talk about being out of touch with reality. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what alienated the southern neutrals. It would certainly put me off if I were a neutral. Especially with the DragonLord accomplishing virtually nil with his military forces in Mirkwood and losing the tax revenue of GoblinGate and Dol Goldur. And the Wk defensive strategy in the north, he might as well be cutting his own throat. He's taken one town to date, and wasted a heck of a lot of effort raising his major towns to cities. Even if all the neutrals stayed neutral indefinitely, the DS opening has pretty much set the stage for their eventual defeat.

"Defense is stronger but it seldom wins victories".

[ruggha]

Well, I like confidence.... :D

[JeremyRichman]

Well, I guess I'm overdoing the confidence bit myself to "overcompensate". I just can't _believe_ the big "do" about Oz. And of COURSE we're fighting there, not because of its huge significance but because it is at the border.

I haven't played since the golden age when a dozen or three dozen games were running simultaneously and plenty more forming and everything under the sun was tried, including going to Oz or not going to Oz, and just no big deal either way, so it really seems odd to me to be celebrating so early over something that just seems nothing. ESPECIALLY with DragonLord neutralized in Mirkwood by turn 4 which by my lights rather dwarfs (no pun intended) anything the DS have done so far.

Oh well, we'll see what happens...

[ruggha]

Well, it's good to have you back and we're glad that you're excited about the game. Hopefully, you'll take your lumps and lessons with your chin up.

[HolyAvenger]

Seriously! Talk about being out of touch with reality. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what alienated the southern neutrals. It would certainly put me off if I were a neutral. Especially with the DragonLord accomplishing virtually nil with his military forces in Mirkwood and losing the tax revenue of GoblinGate and Dol Goldur. And the Wk defensive strategy in the north, he might as well be cutting his own throat. He's taken one town to date, and wasted a heck of a lot of effort raising his major towns to cities. Even if all the neutrals stayed neutral indefinitely, the DS opening has pretty much set the stage for their eventual defeat.

"Defense is stronger but it seldom wins victories".

Hmm defeat... let's see.. Dragonlord is the weakiest of Ds and in Most games easily Kicked out of mirkwood..

My suggestion is you stick to character nations becuase your clueless as to the importance of strategic locations..

Now you slam My teamate WK who has been brilliant as WK.. to only lose one Town .. Threaten one turned it into a MT and burned WM town to the ground Means He is kicking your teams Butts!

As for OZ are you taking it this turn.. No! will you take it next turn No! Too be honest the most devestating blows to DS have come from the nuetrals in the South to our team!

Btw way what stroke of brillance have you brought to your team.. Certainly not the posts here claiming Victory here already.. You have a curse squad yet? how about some killer agents killing DS characters.. Have you made any headway at My capitol.. It was foolish to send EO cav to 3120 turn 1.. Did your team learn this important.. What did all that Cav do take a Town that you cannot hold. Talk about being delusional!

It even been suggested i wasted my starting power Hmm.. EO Cav destroyed, All NG starting forces destroyed and Yet Doglord starting Cav is going to crush a foolish Dwarven army.. Dam you have been outmanuevered yet Again!

Finally if we get surprised again it Will not be from FP moves but from Nuetrals.. Just as we was this turn.. but rest assured any move you make as Noldo is about as predicatable as watching the sunrise every morning!:bash:

[ruggha]

Jeremy, meet Terry. Terry - Jeremy. Now, you two play nice and don't break anything. Make sure you wash up when we call you for dinner.

[ruggha]

Btw way what stroke of brillance have you brought to your team..

You forgot about Elrond and the Ring of Wind wandering in circles..? It's certainly got us confused, and for a group that generally knows everything, that's a pretty good accomplishment...

[HolyAvenger]

Jeremy, meet Terry. Terry - Jeremy. Now, you two play nice and don't break anything. Make sure you wash up when we call you for dinner.

Yes Sir.. i certainly don't want your agents visiting my nations becuase my hands were not wash for Dinner.. I hope you don't mind if I washed them in FP blood insteads of water.. I here the claim to be very clen germ free people!:p

[ruggha]

FP blood "clean of germs"...??? Oh please, be serious..!!! Maybe the odd Cardy fool, but certainly not any Elf, Dwarf or Dunadan scion in south/central Middle Earth...ha! What kind of scourge do you think we're in this to eradicate..???

[HolyAvenger]

FP blood "clean of germs"...??? Oh please, be serious..!!! Maybe the odd Cardy fool, but certainly not any Elf, Dwarf or Dunadan scion in south/central Middle Earth...ha! What kind of scourge do you think we're in this to eradicate..???

I don't think tyhe Fp exactly live through the process of using them to wash my hands and feast on thier flesh!

Khamul

[ruggha]

Tharudan - you took the chance, likely against the wishes of many of your allies. I hope you're willing to take full responsibility for the results your actions have produced.

Regards,

Ji Indur

[ruggha]

Oh gee, now I hear that Ringlin is sulking in the corner... My My, I hope you've done something well so far Mr Sinda, lest you're the first to get voted off the good ship Phreepie... :D

[Tine]

He has done good so far, and our team agreed that it was worth taking the risk with Tharudan. Congrats though :) - glad something's going right for you, too...

[Tine]

FP blood "clean of germs"...??? Oh please, be serious..!!! Maybe the odd Cardy fool, but certainly not any Elf, Dwarf or Dunadan scion in south/central Middle Earth...ha! What kind of scourge do you think we're in this to eradicate..???

Do you want examples??? My last three project were Bubonic Plague (Yersinia pestis), Tuberculosis and now I'm dealing with Malaria. Quite a few years ago I did a little work with Plutonium (that's NOT a bug). Is that enough for you to tackle or shall I get you more???:D

[Tine]

PS Mike thinks I like agent nations because it's my natural inclination - he reckons I'm attracted by anything deadly...

[ruggha]

Didn't the french chick and her husband end up dying of radiation issues after playing with that stuff...? You play away, we got lead shields and rubber gloves a plenty in both passes, sneezing in our sleeves, etc...

[ruggha]

PS Mike thinks I like agent nations because it's my natural inclination - he reckons I'm attracted by anything deadly...

that's why you really like me then, eh? ;) keep calling my wife, she can't understand a word you say so she'll never suspect anything... ;)

[gator1]

Oh gee, now I hear that Ringlin is sulking in the corner... My My, I hope you've done something well so far Mr Sinda, lest you're the first to get voted off the good ship Phreepie... :D

sorry to be silent JI. i only look at the boards once in a while . your right i really f**ked up with tharudan. i take full responsibillty for that . my guess was that most of the good dark servant agents would be set to kill army commanders in 3024 an 3124. i guessed wrong. now the artifact theft from ringlin was just good play by which ever player was running the dark servant agent,good move to whom ever! i will try an up my play an help make this game competive for all our enjoyment. ya i was pissed it would cheer the heart of any servant of evil to see how much my blood preassure went up.:D
gator/sinda

[HolyAvenger]

You know it's really hard setting up Ji with fresh targets every turn! It has kept me on my toes.. The Fp sure have been nice this game.. They even brought Elves carrying gifts.. Here all i thought Ji would get was a bunch of smelly horse riders.. Well maybe next turn!

[HolyAvenger]

Do you want examples??? My last three project were Bubonic Plague (Yersinia pestis), Tuberculosis and now I'm dealing with Malaria. Quite a few years ago I did a little work with Plutonium (that's NOT a bug). Is that enough for you to tackle or shall I get you more???:D

The wrag in me says eat them whole eat them while they a fresh dripping even with tainted blood becuase those are the spicey ones!:eek:

[gator1]

was that wrag or maybe you meant warg..........a bit of a difference if your a guy. of course my typing is almost a s bad as my spelling so who am i to talk..............actually i am not up on everones forum handles but might i have played in a recent game with you......maybe ......have you played the easterling lately ? gator

[Tine]

Didn't the french chick and her husband end up dying of radiation issues after playing with that stuff...? You play away, we got lead shields and rubber gloves a plenty in both passes, sneezing in our sleeves, etc...

Eemmm.....do you mean that POLISH chick called Marie Curie??? No, she dealt in Polonium and Radium (i.e. found it). Similarly nasty.:D Anyway, she = yes, he = no (he died in an accident as far as I recall)...

And do you REALLY think I'd give you something you can so easily protect against?!? I'm a researcher, for Christ's sake!!!!

[ruggha]

Polish emigre...right right, silly moi..

[HolyAvenger]

was that wrag or maybe you meant warg..........a bit of a difference if your a guy. of course my typing is almost a s bad as my spelling so who am i to talk..............actually i am not up on everones forum handles but might i have played in a recent game with you......maybe ......have you played the easterling lately ? gator

Yes Game 76 i was easterlings who went FP. It happens to be a nation i do very well at.. ;)

[Tine]

Polish emigre...right right, silly moi..

:D By the way, maybe your wife would understand me better if I wouldn't keep ringing at 6 a.m. - but don't forget last time you mistook me for something strange, too ;)

[ruggha]

12 hours she needs, yes, she's barely functional at 9, we've trained the kids to wake her up in time to drive them to school...6...well, that was hilarious...

[HolyAvenger]

Dam i need something to stir the coals with.. Team gets along great.. Now the enemy is to friendly.. Next thing i expect is Michael to come on and call me Mate!

What happened to all the controversy in One week games.

[ruggha]

Terry, we'll have to be Harad and Corsairs together sometime...then we'll see the return to all the hot and heated we're accustomed to...

[gator1]

Dam i need something to stir the coals with.. Team gets along great.. Now the enemy is to friendly.. Next thing i expect is Michael to come on and call me Mate!

What happened to all the controversy in One week games.

never played a one weeker before hmmmmnnnn........orks mothers wear army boots na,na,na, ok so that isnt very vicious give me a little time ill try an work in to it. gator:.....there that guy got kinda a frown

[HolyAvenger]

Terry, we'll have to be Harad and Corsairs together sometime...then we'll see the return to all the hot and heated we're accustomed to...

All the games i have played I never been Corsiars or Harad.. Harad becuase it feels to easy for me.. Corsairs is kinda strange seems Like a nation I would play.. Of course either of those two could win a game and finish number 1 which again I never done yet either guess that's why my rating isn't very high.. i don't score well on the chess rating either that one really makes me want to scratch my head!

But what the heck.. I'm a target at times anyway might as well play a nation both sides don't want to offend turn 1.. :rolleyes:

[HolyAvenger]

never played a one weeker before hmmmmnnnn........orks mothers wear army boots na,na,na, ok so that isnt very vicious give me a little time ill try an work in to it. gator:.....there that guy got kinda a frown

This game is to balanced at the moment to really shout indignities at each other.. Ever teams bright spot get's instant cloud cover and rain from a diferent area of Middle earth and potential for the major shift each turn making the instigator eat his words!:cool:

[gator1]

well sinda turn will be better if only because last turn sucked......gator

[ruggha]

You think Harad's "easy", Terry? Well then, you should play it... No position is "easy" taken everything into account.. :)

[Diehard]

You think Harad's "easy", Terry? Well then, you should play it... No position is "easy" taken everything into account.. :)

QFT. Playing Harad is as easy as your neighbors want it to be...

[HolyAvenger]

You think Harad's "easy", Terry? Well then, you should play it... No position is "easy" taken everything into account.. :)

Yeah easy until somebody like you find out I'm playing it turn 0! Then I would be gone by turn 6!

[ruggha]

What's QFT..?

[ruggha]

Yeah easy until somebody like you find out I'm playing it turn 0! Then I would be gone by turn 6!

Don't tell...until it's too late for the rest of them... :D

[Diehard]

What's QFT..?

"Quoted For Truth"

[Thavius]

"Murazor looks across Angmar and smiles - another Arthedain army crushed" "The Cloud Lord agent has been deemed worthy to stay in Angmar"

[HolyAvenger]

Don't tell...until it's too late for the rest of them... :D

om My me keeping my trap shut for 4 turns! LOL Now that would be something worth remembering!

[Diehard]

om My me keeping my trap shut for 4 turns! LOL Now that would be something worth remembering!

I'm still amused by Gixxx's "secret identity" in Game 94... about as effective as those little masks superheroes wore in the old comics would be in real life ("No one will ever recognized me if I cover the area around my eyes!").

LOL

[HolyAvenger]

I'm still amused by Gixxx's "secret identity" in Game 94... about as effective as those little masks superheroes wore in the old comics would be in real life ("No one will ever recognized me if I cover the area around my eyes!").

LOL

My problems come under the terms of history I have created for myself.. As a nuetral I have never in recent history went to turn 8 before doing something against one of the aligned nations.. Should i wait until turn 6 as Harad knowing I'm playing it I would expect both DS and FP to attack me becuase I'm not on thier groupsite.. Should i even send just one diplo the cunning teamates might recognize who I am from the tone..

So yes a tiny mask covering my eyes would be just as humorous to you as Gixx's was.. Maybe even more so..

[ruggha]

Darn. Only killed Elladan. Oh well, will have to try, try, try again...

[GMTarondor]

Kudos to the DS!

Easterlings jumps on poor NM <me!! lmao>! He played his hand close to the chest and kept telling me he was working and staying neutral. I guess things change in a week. Oh well....must blame my RL own work which kept me out of contact with Middle Earth this past week.

Cloud Lord forces move onto 4415....not a surprise but not welcomed either!! You little bastard!!! lol

Let the red and black blood flow thoughout all of Middle Earth!!!

[ruggha]

Well GMT - you made a good move in the North. Merely a delay, of course, but every wrench, however little, slows down the machine...

Yes, let the blood flow...

[ruggha]

Some might appreciate how Northie claims the Easterlings jumped him... Nobody else? Nobody else matters..? Signs and omens...

[ruggha]

Well, that's that then. Thanks for the excellent set up and success killing a couple starting Elves along with stealing Ringlin's toy. Wonder how long it will take for the next 1 weeker to fill this time?

clod lard

[HolyAvenger]

This was one well played game.. Great openings and great counter strategies by both sides.. I believe this one is officailly over.. I'm definitely not one who throws in the towel early.. I just don't see from The FP great move this turn How we can recover as a team..

So great Job FP!

I'm proud of everyone on the DS team! You all played an awesome game!

[ruggha]

Shame really. Ar-Gular was finally getting good...

[Diehard]

So, where do things stand? I think we'd all rather spend our hard earned money on a new game than drag out something that is pretty much done.

Let us know either way...

- K / Haradrim

[ruggha]

At this point, it's game on.

[Thavius]

I now see the Arthedain strategy only too late!!

It is to let me win every combat and drive the cost of my characters up to a point I can't afford them!!

Just about everybody is a Lord/Regent now with a couple of Warlords...:eek:

[Banal]

The Dark Servants are tallying votes - looks like this one will end now.

I hope we will get the next one started quickly!

Doug - Dark Lt's

[GMTarondor]

Say it isnt so! I am enjoying fighting for my bleak chance of survival!!!!

NM

[Thavius]

Looks like there is a fat lady singing here :(

[Rocklizard]

Sorry to see this one ending so soon and if that is the case thanks in advance to everybody on both sides.

I assume that we all like the 1 week game because we prefer the faster turn-around and it seems a shame when these games' outcome is largely determined by what the neutrals do.

Does anyone actually like having the neutrals? Both sides and even one of the neutrals in this game has complained about it - how about for just the next one-weeker we ask for the 12 v 12 variant, cut out the diplomacy nonsense and get on with some evenly matched, fast paced action?

Sure if 1650 was played 12 v 12 every-time it would get pretty samey but just the once without the hassle of the neutrals? Plenty of two week games going if you absolutely need this randomness!

If I can get 11 names as a base, I am sure Clint will open it up.

Cheers,

Mike

[ruggha]

Oh my, no no no... I have to be a neutral again... :D

[Banal]

I had some similar thoughts Mike, but ultimately decided I prefer the neutrals. Consider that in the past two one-week games there were 2-3 neutral splits in both games. Certainly the neutrals had an impact, but I don't think it was the primary decider in either of the last two.

From my perspective, the DS lost this not because Harad and Corsairs went FP, but because the FP played a very good game around Mordor. The Gondors, EO, and Dwarves in particular put a lot of troops into the passes. Meanwhile, we made a few very key mistakes - bouncing on Ithil was a much bigger problem for us than it may have seemed at first. We failed to recruit enough in Mordor. We sacrificed a little too much development for our opening gambit (capturing Osgiliath was great - until we bounced on Ithil and didn't take down the bridge).

All in all, I think the DS played very well as a team and pretty well in general.

The FP played better. Corsairs and Harad notwithstanding, they would not have carried the day if the FP had not put so much pressure on us already.

It was a closer thing than it may appear - an order here or there, a dragon that kept flying away as we arrived, etc., and this would still be a lively game.

Doug - Dark Lt's

[ruggha]

All in all, I think the DS played very well as a team and pretty well in general.

The FP played better.

Truth, to some extent. The DS opening strategy failure aside, was distinctly surviveable. A 12v12 game with Cor/Har FP and Dun/Rhu DS is a distinct slant towards the FP. And, in the spirit of Earliness prevalent in the 1 weeker, everyone was engaged quickly - no "By Turn 10 I might consider making up my mind.." Neutral BS here - To War~! Throw in the odd choice of neutral direction and the early diplomatic shenanigans, well, the only way to sum up this game is that the DS, and by extension ALL players due to the shortness of the game, got shafted.

Pretty simple, really. It was a screw up whose momentum resulted in all of us having a game that barely started suddenly.....end. The individuals involved will likely never make those mistakes again...not to say that new individual's won't saunter on into our little 1 week club and shaft us in the future, but that's the risk we run, yes? So No - 25 distinct nations is how the game is. You don't like that, find some fellows and get a Grudge on. Now, let's put in and set up and off we go.

Brad

[Diehard]

A 12v12 game with Cor/Har FP and Dun/Rhu DS is a distinct slant towards the FP.

Um, don't the Easterlings factor in here somewhere. Or are they standing in for the feeble QA?

Note that it very easily could've been all neutrals going DS, which would be far more obviously imbalanced.

IMO, the neutrals can do no right.

[ruggha]

Exactly. Neutrals can do no right. By logical extension, the only obvious conclusion is that they're thusly absolutely necessary.

[Diehard]

By logical extension, the only obvious conclusion is that they're thusly absolutely necessary.

But of course... <grin>

[Thavius]

I had some discussions with General Brad about the Dwarf removing fortifications in anticipation of DS taking the pop center. This removing of fortifications being a standard ploy.

I thought it was a mistake for the Dwarf to do that and a mistake to remove fortifications as a standard ploy.

Removing the fortifications at Zarak-Dum saved me thousands of gold in maintenance fees - gold that I well used.

Removing the fortifications at Norr-Dum allowed me to capture it. I would not have been able to capture it against the Norhtmen army and a fort.

Not significant mistakes by any means. As it turns out our war in the NW didn't really matter in the long run - unfortunately.

Just not something I would have done.

[Diehard]

I thought it was a mistake for the Dwarf to do that and a mistake to remove fortifications as a standard ploy.


Early in the game I like to keep the forts there... but later on, when dragons are ruining loyalties on a regular basis and DS emissaries start flipping pops, the forts are a liability. Without the forts, a small cav force can show up and destroy the towns if they end up in enemy hands... and if you are serious about keeping dragons under control, you will need have a few hundred camp-burning cav working in that vicinity anyway.

[HolyAvenger]

Um, don't the Easterlings factor in here somewhere. Or are they standing in for the feeble QA?

Note that it very easily could've been all neutrals going DS, which would be far more obviously imbalanced.

IMO, the neutrals can do no right.

When I see two nuetrals in two consecutive games teaming up to take out another nation whether it be another nuetral or aligned nation it becomes unbalancing.. In this game it was very clear from turn 1 Harad had intentions of going FP from the start.. market prices clearly showed that intent.. At this point I'm tired of the whole one week comunity!

One week games have become recently more about who i want to play with not about game balance at all by some..

I just done with this scenerio is a waste of money and time.. There was simply No way DS could overcome Harad and Cosrairs teaming up on Qa to knock them out.. Ds would have had to play a perfect game in order to merely survive for a long win.. It did help us recruit Easterlings..

Fp and the Nuetrals did play a great game.. So kudos to the FP..

To my Ds allies we play a good game I'm proud of how well we played together.. Sorry we couldn't stick around longer..

[Rocklizard]

No problem - suggestion withdrawn.

I have submitted my set-up for the next one on the basis it is a normal game. Hurry up the rest of you - let's get started already!!!!

[Diehard]

In this game it was very clear from turn 1 Harad had intentions of going FP from the start.. market prices clearly showed that intent.. At this point I'm tired of the whole one week comunity!

Terry, you are just making **** up. Seriously. Harad bought product to build high quality troops. I was first planning on going after the Corsairs, then after we came to an agreement it turned into the whole "knock out the QA, then join the DS" thing the Corsairs wanted to try.

You guys couldn't stomach that, so we went FP. You might want to look in the mirror a little more when you are assigning blame.

- Keith / Harad

[Tine]

I must say I wasn't expecting it when both Harad and Corsairs joined us; I found it really hard to predict which neutrals would go free. And I was communicating with all of them incl. providing turn reports (Easties sorry I neglected you for your last neutral turn - I was too tied up in work).
I don't agree with "Harad and Corsairs join free makes dead DS". None of the neutrals in this game told the opposition that they're joining the other side (I had that in a few games). So Freeps had 3 "surprises" while the DS had 2. Plus the DS had more orders with having an additional nation which does count for something, doesn't it?? Can be quite important if you ask me...

With regard to my nation, to tell you the truth, I was thinking I was stuffed when turn 1 came back - life expectancy of about 5 turns. When I failed to take my bridge down on turn 2 and 3 (that's why the navy stayed at Oz) I always expected you to cross the bridge. You would have screwed me up completely with the need to refuse and I wouldn't have been able to recruit aso. I just couldn't believe the DS armies kindly stayed at Oz waiting for SG, Sinda and my own armies to come and get them. So that's a part of the Oz strategy that I really, really don't understand. Apart from decorating Ithil's walls :)). I'm sure pretty much everybody knows that I sort of loathe armies and enjoy characters, especially agents. So NG for me is sort of DOH!!! I was so stunned that I didn't look at my turn 0 for days; and then I thought "ok it's recruit recruit recruit and get the bloody chain going. So I moved everything as far as possible towards the front and named commanders. I didn't go into the niceties about "shall I defend Ithil or not" or decided on a elaborate strategy.

Cheers, Tine NG

[Tine]

Quote from Terry: "In this game it was very clear from turn 1 Harad had intentions of going FP from the start..

There was simply No way DS could overcome Harad and Cosrairs teaming up on Qa to knock them out."


Terry, knowing Brad was playing CL I really didn't think we would get Keith on our side - a least not without an uphill struggle. And from the early communication it definitely sounded like EITHER Harad or Corsairs for the Freeps.

Plus every QA in every unaligned game knows the possibility of being attacked by the southern neutrals. It's part of the setup. Say Easties and Corsairs or Easties and Harad had attacked QA And the third southern neutral had not decided for a couple of turns the outcome would have been just the same. If none of them has declared after a few turns I've always had an emmy in range of a MT in case of a surprise attack - and I think pretty much every QA does the same. It's just the position...

Cheers, Tine

[JeremyRichman]

Hi Tine,

I agree -- the QA needs to be energetic in their diplomatic efforts.

Jeremy

[ruggha]

The Southrons going free upset everyone, them, us, and the FP too, it appears... Next time boyz, just do what's right in your heart - who cares if it's 15-10..? :D

[HolyAvenger]

Terry, you are just making **** up. Seriously. Harad bought product to build high quality troops. I was first planning on going after the Corsairs, then after we came to an agreement it turned into the whole "knock out the QA, then join the DS" thing the Corsairs wanted to try.

You guys couldn't stomach that, so we went FP. You might want to look in the mirror a little more when you are assigning blame.

- Keith / Harad

Blaming means nothing.. You guys did what you wanted to.. Diplomacy meant nothing in this game.. When Corsairs and Harad join the FP and take out QA game over period.

After what happened in previuos one weeker then this one.. Why sitting from my chair would I want to be a part of another one week game..

Yes Corsiars or Harad solo could take out QA alone.. But a coordinated attack between the two.. I guess I must but one of the Few players who desires a competive game not just a another easy fast win..

So I guess If I ever want to play this one week game it will only be as a nuetral Harad Corsairs or easterlings to ensure the game is at least competive for both sides..

The results tell the story a turn 10 game over! Enjoy you easy win.. I sure this game will be amongst you most savored victories!

To my teamates we did our best but we really had little chance against the southron nuetral might added to FP!

[HolyAvenger]

Terry, you are just making **** up. Seriously. Harad bought product to build high quality troops. I was first planning on going after the Corsairs, then after we came to an agreement it turned into the whole "knock out the QA, then join the DS" thing the Corsairs wanted to try.

You guys couldn't stomach that, so we went FP. You might want to look in the mirror a little more when you are assigning blame.

- Keith / Harad

Well stop being a player seeking an easy win!! What kind of Moron even thinks we would take in two players to a team where you take out one of our players! That is total BS! While true in character The DS in the fantasy world would.. I would never do that to a player on MY TEAM! I would drop from any team that would!

If that is kind of person you are I wouldn't trust you taking out my garbage! So yes I AM TO BLAME for not allowing Harad and Corsiars to join us! Blame ME! there are some things I simply cannot do that is one of them turn my back on one person just to win!

[Diehard]

Terry, as a neutral I'm going to do whatever is in *my* best interest. I'm not on a team, which gives me plenty of "moral latitude".

When the Corsairs brought up the idea, did I warn him that certain individuals on the DS team might not be able to accept that kind of heavy-handed diplomacy despite the clear advantage of trading the QA's southern pops for getting Harad and the Corsairs on side.

You got the three other neutrals, and I'm not sure that was ever in doubt. If that's not enough, then HQ might as well just make the Corsairs and Harad aligned nations because essentially that limits their options to one: fighting each other right off the bat.

- K

[seejaie]

Holy Avenger - I agree with you that, at least given, the anti-Gondor opening you all made, Corsairs/Harad going free was totally fatal. Y'alls opening was bold and had potential for great harm to us - so I don't think it was a bad strategy. However, it comparatively neglected the North such that your getting the other three neutrals was still not enough to take any of us out up there. You might imagine that had you all opened with more force to the north, this course of events might have seen one to three of the northern freeps out of it. As it was, it was all the Mirkwood powers who did the heavy lifting on Rhudaur (since the Dragon Lord was all alone and sent an army against Gondor as part of your opening) which was what left me with a free hand to deal with the Duns.

I don't think the loss of QA was instrumental - consider how in the typical 10 to 15 turn game the QA barely gets going as a military/character factor.

[HolyAvenger]

I must say I wasn't expecting it when both Harad and Corsairs joined us; I found it really hard to predict which neutrals would go free. And I was communicating with all of them incl. providing turn reports (Easties sorry I neglected you for your last neutral turn - I was too tied up in work).
I don't agree with "Harad and Corsairs join free makes dead DS". None of the neutrals in this game told the opposition that they're joining the other side (I had that in a few games). So Freeps had 3 "surprises" while the DS had 2. Plus the DS had more orders with having an additional nation which does count for something, doesn't it?? Can be quite important if you ask me...

With regard to my nation, to tell you the truth, I was thinking I was stuffed when turn 1 came back - life expectancy of about 5 turns. When I failed to take my bridge down on turn 2 and 3 (that's why the navy stayed at Oz) I always expected you to cross the bridge. You would have screwed me up completely with the need to refuse and I wouldn't have been able to recruit aso. I just couldn't believe the DS armies kindly stayed at Oz waiting for SG, Sinda and my own armies to come and get them. So that's a part of the Oz strategy that I really, really don't understand. Apart from decorating Ithil's walls :)). I'm sure pretty much everybody knows that I sort of loathe armies and enjoy characters, especially agents. So NG for me is sort of DOH!!! I was so stunned that I didn't look at my turn 0 for days; and then I thought "ok it's recruit recruit recruit and get the bloody chain going. So I moved everything as far as possible towards the front and named commanders. I didn't go into the niceties about "shall I defend Ithil or not" or decided on a elaborate strategy.

Cheers, Tine NG

there was some slight miscomunications at that time.. It was intended for the OZ bridge to be taken out.. So I could send my Cav north or south.. Becuase Eo was knocking on my door.. this was something beyond our control at that time.. Yes another factor in the game..

Going splat on ithil walls was truly my bad from not reading the ithil report carefully.. I missed one of your armies being there and recommended a bad tactic.. But it played well in the threat the following turn getting Ithil as a MT..

Like Doug said as far as The DS/FP tactics and counters it was well played and well countered.. My point is Once QA was taken out.. The Harad troops and corsiars troops was to much for DS team to handle. Not all players would allow friends or Not to allow those nations to join Us..

this would have been a great game.. And a really awesome win for either side had Harad and Corsiars not turned it into such an easy win for one side.. If the Joined the DS it would have been an easy win For the Ds maybe a turn or two longer is all.

[HolyAvenger]

Say it isnt so! I am enjoying fighting for my bleak chance of survival!!!!

NM

yeah I enjoyed a game as NM awhile back where very turn after about 12 I was fighting just to stay ion the game.. It was a blast!

[GMTarondor]

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your view Nuetrals add an unforseen and sometimes lobsided aspect to the game. And as long as you play a non-grudge match you will always wonder which way it will go. The DS this game got 3 Newts, the FP 2. Pretty even at least with the regards to numbers. Some of us were hard pressed when the first 3 newts went your way. I for one enjoyed the game although I was not one of the team members most responsive to the game. (RL took over at times). We did have some good coordination but we screwed up an order or two as well. You got to plan or maybe prepare for different eventualities in Middle Earth! Some time the battle goes your way...sometimes not at all!

Hell I thought you guys were gonna leave me alone since you probably noticed how poorly I play! LOL..But no!!!! Picking on the poor guy on the edge eventually! Damn the Cloud Lord..why couldn't you disband like I had hoped!

Easterlings!!! Grrrrrr!!!!


Oh well...see you all on the next battlefield!

NM

[HolyAvenger]

Holy Avenger - I agree with you that, at least given, the anti-Gondor opening you all made, Corsairs/Harad going free was totally fatal. Y'alls opening was bold and had potential for great harm to us - so I don't think it was a bad strategy. However, it comparatively neglected the North such that your getting the other three neutrals was still not enough to take any of us out up there. You might imagine that had you all opened with more force to the north, this course of events might have seen one to three of the northern freeps out of it. As it was, it was all the Mirkwood powers who did the heavy lifting on Rhudaur (since the Dragon Lord was all alone and sent an army against Gondor as part of your opening) which was what left me with a free hand to deal with the Duns.

I don't think the loss of QA was instrumental - consider how in the typical 10 to 15 turn game the QA barely gets going as a military/character factor.

Eo move to 3120 was actaully perfect move for the startegy we employed.. even though having Ji there for easy kills was a nice counter afterwards I could never get any pressure back on Rhovonian..

Ng navy move off OZ actaully turned out to be big factor.. I had my Cav refuse and attack becuase i could not risk the challenge.. Which was right.. she made a great move by challenging and moving away.. Yes she was right had I just refused and moved to her capitol would have been a bold move.. But actually I really wanted to refuse and move to 3026 which would have allowed us to hold OZ..

Our failure to blow the OZ bridge early became our achilles heel which is normal in most games.

As far as the split was concerned Duns and rhaudar came onboard rather early.. we was really surprised to get Rhaudar.. easterlings came onboard really only due to Harad and Corsiars taking out Qa.. It became a futile attempt to gain balance in the game.. Even easterlings I believe was surprised by the move..

I simply dare say that in any game where Harad and Corsiars team up knockout QA that early there would be little chance for DS team to win.. It's exactly why in every grudge game they are not on the same team..

Funny part was we encouraged Dun's and easterlings to declare FP for joining our cuase.. But they chose to stay with us which i would have done myself..

The game had alot of great moves on both teams! It's just a shame how brutally quick it came to an end..

[seejaie]

Thanks everyone for a good game. I look forward to playing with you all again in the hopefully soon-to-begin game 13 :-)