game 19

[Gixxer]

So this game will be the game you'll loose for the first time!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Hey we have not even had the first turn yet, I could say no I wont lose but hey we shall see shall we not?

I always expect to win, so we will indeed see how the cookie crumbles in due course.

As I have not decided who to smash and grind into dust just yet, well I cannot even taunt anyone so let the fun and games commence.

Maybe after the first turn I might revisit who is going to win but for the moment I wont!

[VEO]

TURN 1

FP do....nothing. And, neither do the DS...

See you in 2 weeks... :)

[vandal]

See you in a bit to when perhaps it all gets more interesting, then perhaps it wont, we shall see.

[vandal]

Well so is it written so shall it be!

Victory so sweet but just out of reach, can you taste it, does it feel sweet?

Or has the bitter sweet taste of defeat found your soul yet, we shall see, we shall indeed see.

No free hints in this game!

[gavin]

We traded 1 MT each on Turn 3 for those watching. QA burned 2136 and Woodmen captured 2409. But Turn 4 orders and results will be very interesting. LR on the Havens and NG on 3224. Yes, turn 3 and the DS have done nothing in the pass, all still NG and we're on 3224...interesting indeed :D

[vandal]

Interesting is an understatement in this game, indeed turn 4 will be very interesting, all those subtle and not so subtle plans starting to show.

Who knows what the tactics are going to be but it sure wont lack for money!

[Tuor]

Bah! I tried to get Brad to block one hex to the left down south, but he always wants to try something fancy!

Me? I prefer the good old hot poker method.

I wave my genitalia in your general direction Frank!

Have at you!

Mike

[gavin]

left? you said LEFT???

[vandal]

Hmmmm well perhaps that explains it!

But really what are you wielding with your pants down, unless you are scottish ones not worried at all.

Now if your wearing a kilt what more can I say.

Fancy, well I fancy its not a comedy down south or a farce, might be a ...... tra...

[gavin]

You better Threaten them all if you want to take the South, as you're tragic sacrifice of everyone else means there will be lots of buyers for your BackUp Capital business...

[vandal]

Tut tut wait and see no tips in this game, we shall see shall we not

[Rommel88]

VEO again! How you doing Brad? Are we destined to be ME foes for all eternity?

[gavin]

brad says "No. I kill you and find new foes."

doesn't sound like he's doing so good... :D

[gavin]

Trade You~! I must say, from the maps around the various theatres, the FP are more amused than the DS this turn...

[for the voyeurs]

3224 is an NG town, undefended, whilst multiple DS armies run in circles trying to prevent Gondor from moving up to 3424...snicker... Meanwhile, same Gondor caught the Ice King trying to take advantage at 3124 - sorry, Turn 4 and the ENTIRE 24 row is NG...:D

2438 - burned to the ground... The DS want to invest ALL the LR starters and the Cloud Cav to this area, well, this is the kind of thing that happens... :(

Elsewhere, 1910 survived the North Kingdom and blocked the rest along with some Duns coming up. Will 1910 survive the Dwarf...? And what about all those Noldor and Woodmen crawling around the backwoods? Ulrac walked up, visited a bit, and then left a new Dwarf army behind at 2004 - thanks~! Dragon Lord's game is "harass camps until they clear me outta here~!!", okay, 2 camps left, then we come - deal?? :)

Cheers,

the Free

[vandal]

Never any deals!

[vandal]

I am sitting waiting for the next installement!

I do so like to see whats going on in the world from others eyes!

[Tuor]

The only thing I will say is that I'm making camps faster than you are burning them Frank.

The woodies thank you for the new pop centers. The Eo would appreciate leaving the rest of their characters alone, thank you very much!

Mike the HorseBear

[Gixxer]

I am sitting waiting for the next installement!

I do so like to see whats going on in the world from others eyes!

Let's say your DS did a good job so far.-

... but while looking on Gondor, also very nice.-

Looking on the NW, I think you'll lose it soon.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Hey it pains me to do it to the eo but you know it had to be done.

Kiss goodbye to that attacking army and its replacements on a short leash you know I like to sit on your cap, rotate the agents and wait each turn as you have to come home!

But hey such is life!

As I said the games being played lets see how it pans out

[vandal]

Born of a mare, the eo king had but a short life to live, no white flowers adorn his grave, no women weep over his bones.

His head dangles on some filthy neck, dangling for a few to see.

His brothers in arms skulls litter the floor and the naughty dark servant stand ready to burn his homesteads as the men are away playing tiddlewinks me thinks, or stopped to have a cuppa outside mordor me perhaps.

How the mighty have fallen and the question is can the good guys ride to the rescue and stop us as we sit in range of more than one eo mt!

Or perhaps its all a bluff! The eo are full of men and commanders!

[gavin]

It's all something, certainly, likely closer to what the DS are full of, not to mention the Eo...

[Gixxer]

It's all something, certainly, likely closer to what the DS are full of, not to mention the Eo...

An Aussie me thinks,
EOs aren't so really interesting.

Always the first nation under fire ...

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Darn its so hard when the eo dont feel that love connection, now if you cared about them as much as the corsairs they might appreciate it!

[vandal]

Ouch now I know you say losing the eo leader did not hurt, but its starting to!

And frankly with a few more to go I think its called pain!

[Tuor]

Have at you! Take that foul creatures!

And thanks for the new MT!

[gavin]

Frank. You claim to have never lost. If you want to keep that record you better drop now. Or, get ready to bow to your betters. You know who we are.

B

[Gixxer]

Ouch now I know you say losing the eo leader did not hurt, but its starting to!

And frankly with a few more to go I think its called pain!

Pain?

I guess you can tell us something about pain!
Aren't you?

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Hey the games just starting but some seem to think its all over, interesting.

[Gixxer]

Hey the games just starting but some seem to think its all over, interesting.

Who?

Gixxx

[gavin]

Must be the rest of his team..!!! :D

[vandal]

Oh you have called victory already then?

Well thats going to be interesting is it not!

[Gixxer]

Oh you have called victory already then?

Well thats going to be interesting is it not!

Did we?

Gixxx

[gavin]

No, his team has called the loss... :D

[Tuor]

Have at you! These Eothraim have some fight left in them! Of course with all the guys doing backpack duty in Ji's baggage train, its like fighting with one hand behind by back--but that was my shield arm anyway! As soon as I get my curse squad together, you will get yours....

Woodmen are happy to see the failed threat. Even happier to see Cameth Brin fall. Keep a village, capture a capital, not a bad turn.

Mike the HorseBear

[vandal]

Oh news to us, but perhaps you know more than we do!

[vandal]

Hmm what fight do the eo have in them not seeing it, yes I know sacrifice yourself to save the rest!

[gavin]

The Eo have more fight in them than Harad, Rhudaur and the Witch King....

[vandal]

hmmm they have not had a chance to fight hence not sure thats to true, but hey you called it please explain it.

I dont as a rule make claims I cannot back up, so feel free, if your mouth ran away with you on this one though I can understand it, I dont understand this claim at all.

So forgive me if I call you on it!

[gavin]

Patience grasshopper...watch the steel prove the pen....

[vandal]

Alas when you are called and fall, one does not get a second chance, thats the hard world we live in, the eoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Hey made me laugh if nothing else so please keep up the good work!

[gavin]

Frankie Dude - this is called "losing". How does it feel? Happily we didn't promise a switched up rematch, most of my team is mad at me for getting them into such a boring game. You really should throw the ball with the grandkids more and leave the magic swords and dragons to the generation with both an attention span and a clue... :p

[vandal]

If I am honest I have no idea, but feel free to carry on and see how it goes

[Gixxer]

If I am honest I have no idea, but feel free to carry on and see how it goes

Yep, let's carry on!

How it goes?
The direction is given!

The worlds "best" player will lose it!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[gavin]

Idiots and archangels playing cards on the street. Someone is going to get hit by a bus...but who? Or, in the minds of each, is there any difference...????

What a farce......

[gavin]

cheers and good luck to all.....all FP that is....i mean, well, luck has precious little to do with it, of course....what i meant to say is, i guess, DIE DS DIE~! [finally...]

[Elendar]

Where is everyone? Was it something we said?

<dons his dragon-resistant armour and goes into Mordor>

NG, Game 19

[Tuor]

To paraphrase the timeless classic, Poltergeist:

"These woods are now clean"

Now id I could just picture Galadriel as that little old lady...

[vandal]

No we are just not playing the boards in this game, enjoy the silence, dont you find it refreshing!

[Elendar]

Apparently apart from the boards game you guys are also not playing the Angmar game. Or the Mirkwood game. Or the Harad game.

But I see you are playing the market game so I guess _that_ must be fun...

[vandal]

As long as we are enjoying it does it matter?

I am sorry to hear you are not having fun but hey we are only here to play for ourselves.

[gavin]

Oh, we're having a great time, we were worried about you guys... But we're happy to hear that you're enjoying yourselves. That means we will continue to enjoy whomping the stink out of you for many weeks to come..thanks for being there~!

[vandal]

Them we can all hold hands and be happy we are all enjoying it!

You mean someone told porkies and you are having fun, oh and we are the bad guys in this game, the deceit, how cruel!

[Gixxer]

Them we can all hold hands and be happy we are all enjoying it!

You mean someone told porkies and you are having fun, oh and we are the bad guys in this game, the deceit, how cruel!

I won't hold hands, but as long as we're able to take out mayor DS-PCs, I'm really happy with the game.

.... and as a result the best PBM-Player we ever noticed, will lose it!

Gixxx

[Gixxer]

Apparently apart from the boards game you guys are also not playing the Angmar game. Or the Mirkwood game. Or the Harad game.

But I see you are playing the market game so I guess _that_ must be fun...

Yep, pretty funny to see Murazor guarding a safe while we burn the PC around him.

Not the right tactic ...

Gixxx

[Gixxer]

Where's Vandal?

Not a bad turn for the DS ...

... but all of you are caved at Mordor now.
... and the QA might be out of the game.

Some nice agent-work, congrats to this.

I'll come back to this with my own agents.


Have Fun!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Told you the board is yours

Oh the horror we are so toast, I would deny it but only time will show if you are wrong or not!

Told you no freebies here!

[gavin]

Time will tell, no freebies, yes. We have certainly drawn our lines in the sand, yes? Let's see who manages to push against the other now....

[vandal]

Oh the turns are just about due its going to be rough for someone, lets see who that might be!

[Elendar]

I vote for Dragon Lord!

[gavin]

No, Witch King~!

[vandal]

Well it was someone, lines in the sand as you say, interesting perspective though, we shall see indeed.

[vandal]

Oh my vote went for NG myself.

[gavin]

NG loses characters. Not the biggest surprise in the world. You're guys are losing multiple pops a turn, including the aforementioned gentlemen's MT's. I know who can replace what faster...

[vandal]

Hmmmmmmmm unless you know something we dont how do you replace kidnapped characters?

Well as you say you can indeed replace them faster than we can upgrade. If its true the game is over, if its not, then its not.

Since you are having so much fun and are so sure you are right, why not let you enjoy the moment, only time will tell.

I can sit back and await my fate!

[Elendar]

What now, you want a pat on the back because you have the DS and on turn 13 you started kidnapping NG guys? Most of them know just enough tricks to get out of the bag anyway :)

Remind us to congratulate you next turn for a successful downgrade relations order, I hear those need some tough planning also :confused:

In the meantime you keep losing MTs, and when you try to hit back you lose your armies also... Pity, that would have been your first Eothraim pop centre 13 turns in the game, and 8 turns after you declared them dead (based on some 615s and 620s you scored on them back then, was it not?).

[vandal]

So for the record you can replace kidnapped characters or was that a lie, nice and simple answer, go on put your neck on the line to, go on you know it makes sense!

My statement is naught but you cannot do it, if you are going to taunt make sure its correct otherwise it just makes me laugh you do it so poorly.

As regards the rest well as you have broken open Mordor well lets see you take advanatage then!

[vandal]

Oh by the way pray tell where I ever called the EO dead, I DONT REMEMBER, DO YOU?

Or a bit of poetic licence again?

Oh we have lost nations and cities we must be losing the painnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[gavin]

I still don't know what you meant by "porkies" up above. We've intentionally avoided poetry and his neck's been on the line since the middle of last game. After you concede maybe I'll let you in on the internal shenanigans - it's much more interesting than the game you're giving us...

[vandal]

When the game is good and done I am sure all that has gone on will come out.

But the questions are simple, can you replace kidnapped characters as you claim and when did I say the eo was dead?

No patting on the back or claims of victory or defeat here, just a simple statement of fact that one cannot as claimed replace those characters as quickly as we can replace a MT.

Of course the fact one wont put up that hand and admit its a mistake, well what does that tell you.

Of course if you wnat to tell me that NG can sustain those losses and push into mordor and crush us feel free but one does not think one can.

The proof is in the pudding go for it then.

I wont tell you what we plan to do to you, we do it as we go along, enjoy!

[Elendar]

<<Hmm what fight do the eo have in them not seeing it, yes I know sacrifice yourself to save the rest!>>

Sacrificed themselves? No fight in them? Well, ok, you didn't call them dead, you called them vegetable.

And about gavin's statement, you've been here talking about perspective all along, so here's ours:
Your pop base has been decreasing since game start. Our character base has been increasing since game start (including the Eo's who has been your main target so far). Therefore we are doing a better job replacing characters than you are doing replacing pops.

You seem to have lost 13 MTs since game start? (I will not even go into the other pops). Ok, we see a new one in our maps, that means that you have replaced the other 12 someplace we can't see? Bold statement!

<goes to have a look at his neck and see what all the fuss is about>

[vandal]

Hey still dont see any statements that I have said the eo is dead.

I still dont see how you can replace kidnapped characters.

All else is naught for I told you no freebies.

But when you want to go ott and lie, I will point it out.

When you can put up and prove those points I will shut up, they say when in a hole stop digging.

Can you do it, did I say it as you say and can you break the game limits and replace kidnapped characters.

No victory signs, no congrates this end, much as you say we are doing, just a simple statement of game fact.

Of course as we all know the game limits on characters I dont really need to ask you to prove it as I know its not possible but hey if you are going to claim something talk realism and not make it up.

Of course you are free to do so but hey I will point it out.

The rest I will leave to you as you can threaten and bluster as much as you like.

But come on where the statement I said the eo was dead?

And how do you replace kidnapped characters.

Oh darm they dont exist, I guess that means you made it up?

Of course you just cannot bring yourself to admit it and go off on other tangents, ouch how hard to ignore!

[gavin]

my my my, one day you say you're leaving the boards to us and another day you're stomping and raving about whether we can replace kidnapped characters. "Prove" something? Of course we will, but not in words, what the hell do words on the forum have to do with anything? Gads....

[Elendar]

And besides, no one can prove that you can replace a kidnapped character any more that they can prove they can replace Carn Dum or Lug Ghurzun... The game has limits not only on number of characters, but on number of pops also. Where exactly is the difference :confused:

[gavin]

You prove it in your actions. You don't talk *about* doing something - you just do it. Talk about it afterwards if you like.

We've talked about removing the Witch King, Rhudaur, Dragon Lord and the QA from their starting homelands. Completely, I might add.

Frank talks about attacking the Eo with characters early (1. Big Surprise 2. Never followed up with military assault = complete waste of time) and NG characters now (they're finally confident of kidnapping NG commanders on Turn 13...).

Wow. DS playing a classic hunker in the bunker defend Mordor with characters and dragons game and are happy about it. Personally, I need my space... And from what I know of the water supply in there, I can't imagine the hygene issues they're dealing with....

[Gixxer]

Hey still dont see any statements that I have said the eo is dead.

I still dont see how you can replace kidnapped characters.

All else is naught for I told you no freebies.

But when you want to go ott and lie, I will point it out.

When you can put up and prove those points I will shut up, they say when in a hole stop digging.

Can you do it, did I say it as you say and can you break the game limits and replace kidnapped characters.

No victory signs, no congrates this end, much as you say we are doing, just a simple statement of game fact.

Of course as we all know the game limits on characters I dont really need to ask you to prove it as I know its not possible but hey if you are going to claim something talk realism and not make it up.

Of course you are free to do so but hey I will point it out.

The rest I will leave to you as you can threaten and bluster as much as you like.

But come on where the statement I said the eo was dead?

And how do you replace kidnapped characters.

Oh darm they dont exist, I guess that means you made it up?

Of course you just cannot bring yourself to admit it and go off on other tangents, ouch how hard to ignore!

We can't replace kidnapped characters, but there's a limit...

Anyway, in the case I'll get the green light, I'm sure I'll get some of your chars.

Gixxx

[vandal]

Then simple you agree that your statement that you can replace captured caractured quicker than we can MT is untrue?

And still waiting to see where I called the eo dead. hey its all about the honesty.

The boasting I leave to you, but be honest about it, if you cannot handle being caught and go onto other tracts, a classic action when you are caught with your pants down, dont do it!

The game goes on, deal with it

[Gixxer]

Then simple you agree that your statement that you can replace captured caractured quicker than we can MT is untrue?

And still waiting to see where I called the eo dead. hey its all about the honesty.

The boasting I leave to you, but be honest about it, if you cannot handle being caught and go onto other tracts, a classic action when you are caught with your pants down, dont do it!

The game goes on, deal with it

... but replacing chars is easier than replacing PCs.

... so we have the easier way!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Please carry on the question is not how easy one can do something but can you replace a kidnapped guy?

I dont think you can and as a result say its an idle boast with no meaning.

It does not matter what the eo has done to date but we still did not call him dead.

Now you can boast all you like just make sure its true.

The rest I leave to you as boast all you like!

No freebies here its all in game!

[Gixxer]

We shall see?!

I'm ready to give Mordor a little shake!

Have Fun!

Gixxxx

[gavin]

technically, one cannot name characters if you have all your slots filled. So "replacing kidnapped characters" is an impossibility based on the program that we all know very well, thanks Frank for reminding us. You can help with more of your genius - which order was for recruiting Heavy Infantry again? Was it 325 or 475..? Please rub it in with glee when you're able.

In the meantime, the DS are using (sharp intake of breadth) Agents to battle NG on Turn 13 as we remove them from extra-Mordor in their entirety. And burn within Mordor itself on occasion. Yes, we will be able to replace those characters before you're able to replace those Cities and MT's - sorry.

[Elendar]

Seriously not sure why you're so worked up all of a sudden.

1) Dead Eo, look a few posts above, post #71

2) Kidnapped characters. We said we can replace them faster than you replace your MTs. And we did, you kidnapped some guys and this turn we have more guys active than we did last turn (here's a freebie! don't be a bad sport now!). You lose pops and you end up the turn with less pops than you had the turn ago. What's so difficult to understand about that? We replace our losses, you are stuck with yours.

Besides, start warming up because in two turns we get another 24 character slots :eek:

I hear that at the same time the pop centre limit is staying where it is - oh dear.

[gavin]

Look Gondor: Suddenly he's disappeared....

Maybe he's realized he's being a fool and he's clammed up until something interesting happens for his side. Sadly typical - spout off when you can then run to momma's skirts when you're revealed for the tool you are.

Earth to the opposition: buy real estate, good investment. Move out of momma's place and have kids of your own. The bubble scare might be valid if you're thinking in minutes...your play suggests such, so I waste my efforts, alas, I can only try to help.

[gavin]

No we are just not playing the boards in this game, enjoy the silence, dont you find it refreshing!

Yes, we found it refreshing. Stay away and begone with you.

[gavin]

VEO again! How you doing Brad? Are we destined to be ME foes for all eternity?

Rommel. Sad, you've chosen wrongly.....again....

[gavin]

Hmm what fight do the eo have in them not seeing it, yes I know sacrifice yourself to save the rest!

Um....eh???? What game are you playing....exACTly....???? Nice to see how your early plans work out - they're still following you in your later plans..? Shamefully, I know many of the players on your team...sigh...I thought I knew them, alas, I know them now....

[gavin]

Hmm what fight do the eo have in them not seeing it, yes I know sacrifice yourself to save the rest!

Sacrifice who to save whom...???

Gas man, you have no clue.

Cheerio~!

the Free

[Gixxer]

Please carry on the question is not how easy one can do something but can you replace a kidnapped guy?

I dont think you can and as a result say its an idle boast with no meaning.

It does not matter what the eo has done to date but we still did not call him dead.

Now you can boast all you like just make sure its true.

The rest I leave to you as boast all you like!

No freebies here its all in game!

Hmm, many Freps-armies close to Mordor and much more characters inside of your castle.

Let's see what they're able to do!-

... but without a doubt, some of your PCs will have hard times.

I'm close to you old friend and I'll take you out!
You really know that I'm not leaning out of the window ...
... will get more interesting now!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Still not seeing this Eo comment I of course know it to be untrue and a bare faced lie but hey carry on digging!

Obviously you dont know the rules as one simple cannot replace a kidnapped character.

Yes you may have more characters, but that is not the question or the answer. As I said dig all you like but when faced with a fact thats not in dispute, the classic answer is to misdirect, I of course stick to the same point, wriggle all you like!

I will let our game do our talking and leave the insults to your side in this game.

But hey we are happy so as both sides are happy let us continue on our merry way and play the game out, it has a way to run.

[Gixxer]

Still not seeing this Eo comment I of course know it to be untrue and a bare faced lie but hey carry on digging!

Obviously you dont know the rules as one simple cannot replace a kidnapped character.

Yes you may have more characters, but that is not the question or the answer. As I said dig all you like but when faced with a fact thats not in dispute, the classic answer is to misdirect, I of course stick to the same point, wriggle all you like!

I will let our game do our talking and leave the insults to your side in this game.

But hey we are happy so as both sides are happy let us continue on our merry way and play the game out, it has a way to run.

Hi there Frank,
of course this game is more interesting than an indie-game ... but I must say that I've expected a little more resistance.

For the "best player" you're doing very poor, I've played against much better gamers.-

Now it's going to be interesting around Mordor and I'm really intersted about the outcome.

Gixxx

[vandal]

Hey I watched with interest as one promised a good beating the last few goes but its not really happened.

We are indeed knocking out MT faster than you are killing our characters, well not to hard this go, I have to say but hey thats life!

Now since we have max characters, you have them, minus what we both have kidnapped, we have money, as do you, what makes you think this game will end soon?

Now of course its been boring as sadly I have been away for a bit and only just come back, have you not noticed its got harder, just a bit?

If you read back you will not I almost gave the game away when admitting I did not know what was going on.

Now I see its curse time all over, agents going at it and another wave theory to be tried out.

The end is some way off as you may gather prepare for a long haul of a game, I like to play with my food, did you expext it to be quick?

Now sadly I had a choice of playing or doing some charity work, that took me away from home for several months, but hey you will not find me so nice now I have returned!

Now as regards the worlds greatest player, hmmmmm, I think you will find that is not a title I myself have chosen, what others use is beyond my control!

Now as regards the busted mordor and the gondor threat, its a busted flush, now all those boys are dead who came and are following and why am I worried about those that now join the fray.

Why we have been blessed with dragons in this game and I cannot effect this but I sure can use it.

Your agents have suffered the luck we had at the start and the game swings, if you do not see that its not a done deal, then more fool you is all I would say.

Its summer the dark servants have mages and agents galore, the question is now who can win the long haul in such cases?

We shall find the answer out to this as we play, but hey you seem to think you have won, carry on if you think that so, it will make it easier for us.

Enjoy the game, or not, that is your choice!

[gavin]

If I played all 24 nations the DS would win 100% of the time. Clint's numbers claiming relative equality are lies at the worst case, and bull**** at the best case. You were favoured 80% before we got our Turn 0 files - fact. Any FP victory is worth 15 DS victories. You are playing a team that hasn't lost as the DS in various formats for 10 years.

You bore us. You have told us that we have the forum - prove it....and go away....

[vandal]

Hmmmmmmm now I know you are rattled as thats pretty much a crock, tut tut, one should avoid lying and personal insults and keep it to the game.

No freebies from us on what we plan to do to you but since you want to play other games one can cater to your tastes as you like.

Now I am sure if you played all 24 nations it would be rather tough to win against a team, so whats the point, whose arguing it? Though I might say nothing is 100% just the high 90s.

Oh so we had a 80% edge starting as we did coming up to winter? I would simple ask you to prove it as I think its a crock myself, any team that plays the dark side will win 80% of the time? But hey its your view so you are entitled to it.

Now look no idling for a rematch with you as the dark boys as ytou are not getting one, I did take onboard what you said and it was noted.

You had the choice of nations first time, you have lost, you just dont know it yet, but hey prove me wrong.

On that note enjoy, I am having a lot of fun, contrary to what you may think.

I will now leave you to tell me what a beating you are giving me!

[gavin]

There are no personal insults, we're playing 1 game (game 19, you should look into it...), if I played all 24 nations I would certainly lose, winter is irrelevant when you use the obn to manipulate the broken market, we're certainly not having a rematch - that was never in the agreement, good to see you finally state that we have lost, we know very well that you're having fun - this is feeding into it - don't you recognize when you're being manipulated? And finally, "I will now leave you" is not *technically* a lie, as you didn't specify a time frame around that, so I'll leave that at that.. :D

[vandal]

Hey I dont need to look into it and I think you have missed the point but hey lets agree to disagree.

As it happens for the first and only time being on the forum has given me no fun at all, make of it what you will.

Oh darn that was some trap, not sure to what end, but hey if thats how you enjoy it, go ahead and carry on.

Again you chose the good side, I took the dark side, I can really say no more on the subject, I dont think the dark side will always win.

Now if you are saying knowing they always win you wanted to gift me the win I find this hard to believe.

Or that you wanted to have only a 20% shot at it seems strange to me.

Not making any sense but hey who said it had to, you got your desire is all that matters, lets see how it plays out.

However I would prefer to think that the use of characters, armies and npc characters as well as artifact layout etc effects a game as much as anything else.

Clearly you do not agree, lets leave it at that and see who is right.

I had hoped you where enjoying the game but hey I can do little about that!

[gavin]

Challenge. Our last DS games were too easy.

[vandal]

Well now you have one or so it seems.

Enjoy

[vandal]

Hey when was the last time you saw one of these?

I hope you appreciate just how rare they are and yet so easy to recruit if you know how

[Gixxer]

Hey when was the last time you saw one of these?

I hope you appreciate just how rare they are and yet so easy to recruit if you know how

What are you referring to?
Dragons?

Anyway, you'll learn your lesson.

Gixxx

[Diehard]

What are you referring to?
Dragons?

Balrog. IIRC, an DS army on a mountain does the trick, particularly close to the Dwarf cap or along the SG/Dunland mountains where the "A Balrog" roams.

[vandal]

Hey I still thought it cool.

I will await the lesson I am but a poor student so go easy on me.

[Diehard]

Hey I still thought it cool.

So did I, even if it really didn't make much of an impact.

[vandal]

Hey thats how he wanted to use it, some lessons have to be learned and not taught!

[Gixxer]

Balrog. IIRC, an DS army on a mountain does the trick, particularly close to the Dwarf cap or along the SG/Dunland mountains where the "A Balrog" roams.

.... and?

I know that Balrog's are recruitable, but it doesn't make any difference.
Dragons, Balrogs ... let's kill the armies coming up with this creatures.

.... not so many DS-armies out of Mordor.

So we should get it!

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Oh well as was said its lesson time we shall see who it is that is learning

[Gixxer]

Oh well as was said its lesson time we shall see who it is that is learning

... so wait and see!

Gixxx

[vandal]

I came I saw I conquered, no need for me to wait and see I have called this game last go, now I just want to spark you into a bit more action to prove me wrong.

Long will be this game for it is all about the lesson and the lesson will be hard!

Let us just now see who is the master and who is the pupil, that the outcome will decide!

[Gixxer]

I came I saw I conquered, no need for me to wait and see I have called this game last go, now I just want to spark you into a bit more action to prove me wrong.

Long will be this game for it is all about the lesson and the lesson will be hard!

Let us just now see who is the master and who is the pupil, that the outcome will decide!

.... conquered?
You're talking about a different game!

... or your Napoleonic complex is much more pronounced than expected!

Gixxx

[gavin]

This IS funny....

[vandal]

To you its as funny as when you called it some time ago as a game, now all that remains is for one of us to prove it.

Our actions and not our talking will sort it out.

Glad it made you smile though if nothing else.

[Rommel88]

Rommel. Sad, you've chosen wrongly.....again....

Again?

To my recollection I haven't lost against you yet Brad. ;)

[gavin]

Is winning everything...? You've made poor choices, the one resulting in your spot in Game 19 being the worst to date, and the one for which you (have already been...) will suffer the most.

Don't say I didn't warn ya~! :)

[Rommel88]

Things have not gone completely to plan in game 19, true. But I'm confident we'll do our best to pull through. I was pleased with the early moves made in the south and since then I have taken my eye off the ball, momentarily.

Good luck to you.

[Elendar]

Oh you guys might win this alright, you just need to have the next twenty or so hits go your way. I'm estimating we need a couple more square hits on you before you call it.

Now let's see whether you first get your twenty or we get our two...

It *could* go both ways, but yeah...

[gavin]

Well. The DS are playing a most excellent agent game. But as the citizens of Morannon shall soon be reminded, the FP are playing a rather adequate military game... ;)

[vandal]

The game has awhile to run, do not think we will throw in the towel in a few turns, as we do not think you will.

Some games are destined for the long haul.

[gavin]

Agreed, it is an enjoyable match.

[vandal]

We do not need twenty hits and you only two, but hey feel free to think it, the games ongoing and I am having quite a good time.

No I am not even thinking about throwing in the towel, far from it.

[Gixxer]

We do not need twenty hits and you only two, but hey feel free to think it, the games ongoing and I am having quite a good time.

No I am not even thinking about throwing in the towel, far from it.

Twenty hits and we only two?
What does it mean?

Looking on the kills, it was roughly even the last turns.
Okay you were able to steal more gold, but that isn't a real impact.-

Your DS-empire is decreasing turn by turn, this turn Morannon will fall.
It's a shame that our emis weren't able to take 3222.

... but some things are able to go wrong.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Look back and you shall see the answer to your question was not me who claimed you needed 2 hits more to win.

Indeed things can and do go wrong its the nature of game play but happens to both sides.

Have fun and see if you can do what you think you can.

[gavin]

Have fun and see if you can do what you think you can.

We can and did, thanks. Certainly quite fun, thanks for the good will. We'll do it again too. Cheers~!

[vandal]

Well we shall see shall we not!

But we had fun so glad to see you are at least enjoying the game

We always did and still do

[gavin]

For the voyeurs, the FP just burned Morannon. Unhappily, we didn't kill any of the commanders opposed to us. But we did wipe out a pile of cocky Rhudaur characters who declined the opportunity to refuse challenge...or accept guarding...or take their vitamins...regardless, Rhudaur lost a pile.

Oh, and Kal Nargil is going to die too shortly. Camps are being cleared in the outlying areas, a little brushfire has started in the DS rear, and we don't see them doing anything on the pop front. Eventually, you realize, those characters are going to have to get paid for - you can't play sucky-cheater OBN if we keep burning capitals you know, you WILL run out of MTs and funding one of these days... :D

[vandal]

Tut tut it is rare I accuse anyone of cheating and as you have done so I assume you can back this up?

I will now have to ask the GMs for a full investigation to clear our name as I do not see we have done anything in this game that is not allowed.

Of course if we have done so we will give you the game right away, if not then I will expect a full apology for I will not stand idle by and play those who call us cheaters and slander our good name.

I cna say no more until the GMs get back to us.

[vandal]

Well message sent I would ask you to mail ME direct with the list of cheating we have carried out so that it may be fully investigated.

I do take such things very seriously as you may have worked out by now.

It does specify we will cede the game if we have as cheating must be punished severly in my eyes.

[gavin]

What MEGames calls cheating and what those of us who've honourably quit such behaviour that's against the "spirit" of the rule, if not the "letter of the law" are quite different. It's sucky play. My team will not engage in such tactics out of principle, and we haven't lost as the DS yet. You desperately need to play this way - and yet, you're still losing through the long spring and summer of this game. Screw the toothless and contradictory "investigative" powers - those of us who know, know. And we look down on those who should know better.

There's a difference between "broken", as has been proven, and "order sequence manipulation". Feeding millions of men with 2 food is no more stupid than the 948 flying 10,000 timber across the breadth of the land in 2 weeks. OBN is broken. We roll our eyes at you for needing it...:rolleyes:

[gavin]

I will not stand idle by and play those who call us cheaters and slander our good name.

1) Then don't play us anymore
2) How can anyone slander your good name more than you do yourself..? :D

[vandal]

I am sorry if its in the rules and a team wishes to play in any way shape or form then it is never cheating in my book and I would never call a team on any action that may or may not take as a result.

It is clearly now a question of honour and unless we recieve a full apology I for one will not play on.

First its cheating then its honour, so if we do not play as you wish we have none.

I am sorry I will not suffer such insults, as to now question my honour, next its intergrity and so on.

Poor show indeed is all I can say.

Well I will await MEs investigation before saying more now I have asked for one.

You do like to personally insult me and my team in this case, just to make me react but hey if thats what makes you happy.

Is this just your view or your teams that we are cheaters as a few players will go down in my eyes if thats your aim.

Oh and I am not as it may seem a tyrant who dictates what the team can or cannot do, they play as they wish, even if that means they dont refuse challange.

But if you think you have cracked us think again!

Now see how to spoil a quite nice game accuse the other side of being cheats!!!!!!!!

[gavin]

I will not apologize for having a strong opinion on what's broken with the game. I've had this argument with Clint and it's gone in circles. The "rule" was an erroneous and toothless tiger when it was created.

But my point is this: try everything you can, we're still going to beat you in the game. You play your way - and still lose.

It is clearly now a question of honour and unless we recieve a full apology I for one will not play on.

Thanks for playing. I expect you to quit your position and leave this game now, if you have the honour to stand by your words. Take care, all the best.

[vandal]

Hey you are entitled to a view, you are not entiled to call peopel cheaters as they do not hold that same view.

Personal insults are not meant to be carried out within the game context as far as I am aware.

I will ask of course ME for a view on this since you have sought to go down this route now.

Nice way to spoil a game indeed, but hey thats what you want to do.

[vandal]

Now calling somone a cheat is not the same as them using rules that are within the game context.

Now If I want to play with half my nations having huge amounts of gold as a result of nice prices early on what do you think I am going to do give it away?

Have you not worked out you dont even have the orders early on to throw the stuff away at times.

If you put in a double sell and the game lets you sell say 25k both times for two amounts, yes I have done it, how is that cheating?

If you think ME has a broken system whats that to do with me.

Now what rules did we agree at the start, did you place any limits on us?

Have we broken those that we agreed?

Then how is your view on a busted flush our fault and us cheating?

Sorry not the same thing and if you dont know it I would look you in the eye and say you are not being honest.

You hate the fact we are doing soemthing moan all you like wind us up all you like threaten to kill our guys burn our homes, dont call us cheats!

Its quite bad form in my eyes but hey thats my view.

[gavin]

Blah blah blah. Thanks for not honouring your word - we don't want this game to end either...

[IronLord]

DS gold hoarding to drive up the market so that the DS can live off two or three camps with max chars and armies is using the loop hole of ONB by building up the gold with one nation rather than a few. It’s the same breaking of the rules and the same unbeatable combo as using 948's to do it, it simplay takes 5 turns longer.

Using this loop hole to bypass Clint’s house rule about ONB is just that, a loop hole that ends in the same thing. Results are that the DS win games they should lose and are out played in because they can conjure some mounts for 30k each a turn and run 12 nations on 12 MTs or Cities. This combo means that if the DS just play below advantage and not allow the FP to wipe the broad with them by turn 8, then the game is very heavily skewed to a DS victory. When econ is not a factor in a team’s successes then it’s all about kidnaps and assassins. The two ways you win this game other then a One Ring victory are you take the other nations PC’s and bankrupt them, OR you take out all their characters. When you remove the means to bankrupt the DS, and stack that with the fact that they have such and overwhelming edge in the character game and ability to take nations down with kidnaps and assassins, then what you have is the DS wining next to every game, let’s say 9/10. And that’s whats going on with teams of good players that play DS and use the bull s-it means to ONB. It’s next to unbeatable way to play the DS every time no matter what the other side dose. Those that argue with this are those that don’t want to win games without using the loophole.

[IronLord]

Might I add to my last post to agree that is a major issue/problem with the game and the house rule and that 90% fault lays there in still mounts selling for 65 this turn is just ONBing at its worse...

[vandal]

Now who says we have one nation with all the gold?

So come on put your game on the line, if we have you win if we dont we win, call it o on simple matter, dont call us cheats when you dont have the guts to go for it.

Or do you remain the lying chickens you seem to be, after all I put my head in a noose and had our stuff checked and the answer is we are not cheating, so go stick it in your windpipe.

You have yourself in a game, you know you now cannot win and are coming home crying as you want us to lilmit our game practise, which you did not ask us to do at the outset.

Now as it happens I also dont like this one banker thing but hey I play a team game and what the majority of the team wants is always what goes, maybe you play another game thats up to you, not for me to comment.

But its legal and thus we are not cheaters.

The question is therfore do you wnat me to have to go to ME and make them decide this or are you going to man up and realise that having a view and calling someone a cheater are not the same.

I will leave that to you as having already had the turns looked at and knowing we did not cheat, well I was quite tempted to just sue since I am that mean but hey I dont need to as its not a site I control but you know its wrong but dont like it when you get your pants pulled down again.

If you want to talk rules feel free you wnat to insult our side dont bothewr we are not interested.
You had the choice of nations, you had a choice to set out the rules for the game at the outset, you chose not to limit this in any way, whose fault is this?


If you cannot take your whipping like man dont come crying to me saying he wont ddo as we told him his a cheat.

Grow up, you want personal you got it, you know oyur in a game, live with it, to the death then, enjoy the whipping as you know we can afford those characters and thats all you need to know.

Now for the record we have lots of gold with lots of nations not just one, the reason is that prices have been that good we can do it, so why not.

Now unless there is a rule says we have to give the gold away why do anything else.

Now I do note with interest that it has been stated in all the games your side has player that at no time has the gold limit ever gone over the limit imposed, even on the first turn as a dark servant. I find this hard to believe you had the orders to limit what you did each turn or who you stole from never to breach the cap or did more than one transfer that may or may not have worked.

But hey thats you line and you have my view on it, I chose not to think it possible but that just my view, I cannot call you cheats as I dont have all youir turns.

On that note come on call us on it you know you wnat to lets decide the game on a dice roll then and not in the field.

I just think you know you will lose and thuse now resort to insults but what do I know.

[vandal]

Now whats it like to know you cannot win? Sour grapes time indeed, oh are we taunting you? Oh dear can you not take it?

Now Gondor turn after turn you promised much but all I see is you running away or hiding

Did we stop all your armies, oh naughty us, man I missed your agents action, have they been unleashed on us?

Or was it a dream I missed?

Can NG keep losing those men and running away?

Can SG keep up those losses and where are his armies?

Can the corsairs keep up those losses and those his about to take this go?

Can the eo give us more gold this go, or will we chop him.

Now can anyone leave the dog cap alive or will those boys around the back all die?

who can save oz as we move onto it and take it, no we have no armies, nor can we take your guys at will as we like, its all over.

I would say more but hey I will leave the rest of my taunting in the field.

Your characters can run but they cannot hide!

Enjoy we are enjoying it.

The game is on no hold barred come on lest see your best taunting its not been good enough so far nor will it be.

[vandal]

Oh and so given you admit we are not cheating yet chose to cal us such, given ME has cleared us, from this day forward we shall call you Billy Liar and no other name.

So Billy Liar what you got to say for yourself?

[gavin]

Well, we're not apologizing for anything. So, are you leaving the game like you said or are you the liar..?

[vandal]

Hey the team are somewhat miffed lest say at your sides actions accusing them of cheating when you know you have lost and its sour grapes.

Well know we will take pleasure in sticking it to you turn after turn and gloat as we crush you under our mighty boots.

I for one will take geat pleasure in sticking it to you.

Hey not for me to leave I will let me e mail do the work for me its for you to now justify to ME your actions here and we will see if they agree its justified to call people cheats and slander them here.

If it is I will have a free for all with you, I am only holding my powder pending clarifaction and hey as I said see you in court.

Yes I am that nasty I will take it that far.

I dont want to crush you here I want to crush you for good here.

Oh nasty indeed are those that know they cannot win and moan so much when they realise it!

Can you only win with insults do you think.

Hey at least you know you a pork pie maker, is that your best comback oh man he caught me with my pants down again, telling another even bigger lie, what can i do, hmmmm, ignore it and change tack hoping he will go away.

Foolish are those that cross swords and lose, for you have lost as I said a few turns ago, you maybe have just realised it!

Sour grapes

But lets look at your play:

We bought out the market early on, made nice prices, how did you deal with this? Oh sorry you did not. that was no one banker.

Oh how much did you steal from us, nothing, oh was that because you could not?

Now you tell me you are crushing us with agents and cursers but its not the dark side that have to give ups its capitals to live, we sit on you as we like.
You tell us we have no armies but hey seems like you keep finding them for soem reason and we retake ithil and the dog cap and will push out what can you do about it?

We have closed the gaps your characters are not good enough to take us on,or you would face us and not hide, and you know it.

Now where pray tell is the might of the gondors and corsairs?

Now you tell me you have broken mordor, how many troops will you have in it after this go?

Now not that we need gold but no gold with the corsairs or gondors or eo or woodies how do you make new guys with no gold and half the positions and more killed in action or in our dungeons

Well it was not me who sitting on the dark l cap said hey i know I will accept challange and only have one army commander, are you telling me thats great play?

Or sitting on our camps threatening them?

Its not my fault your side did not take advantage of what it could and its not my fault we played a game we both agreed, but now you want to change the rules.

Suck it up you did not use your advantage when you had it and now you wont be able to!

We did not play poorly for you, we had our own problems, it is what it is deal with it.

Now if you would like me to post my teams comments about your calling them cheats I can as they have said its fine.

But its a sad day to have to publish such crude thougths on your actions as they are not what you would call nice.

Hey enjoy the kicking we are going to be giving you, but hey at least we will solve your money problems for you!

Oh and in answer to the point you raised no the spirit of the game is as we all agree not just your side and if you had a problem with any of it then at the outset bring it up.

You chose not to know wish to judge us to a standard you never made mention of nor where we aware.

I do not agree as we dont play to a rule you wish to impose in secret and not tell us about that this is cheating.

I am not aware ownership of a gun in the US is illegal because it may be stolen and used in an illegal action or that as a result you are as responsible for the results as the person who stole it.

Or that any action not deemed illegal is by default illegal if people believe it should be.

Enjoy what you are about to get we will enjoy giving it.

[vandal]

You know, you may be sore losers, but hey we as a team are not to big to forgive you on a personal level and not bear grudges for your outside the game cheating accusations.

I settle for the fact its going to grate knowing you are going to lose to me and you already stated no rematches here.

[gavin]

We're going to lose...??? That's amongst the funniest you've said here. We're moving our capitals? We're relocating yours for you with arms~!!! You're going to retake Morannon? It's a smoking ruin~! Which brings us to what you're smoking, alas, I doubt THAT's legal... :D

[Gixxer]

You know, you may be sore losers, but hey we as a team are not to big to forgive you on a personal level and not bear grudges for your outside the game cheating accusations.

I settle for the fact its going to grate knowing you are going to lose to me and you already stated no rematches here.

Well,
as long as no one is getting my turn-results (happened in an AK-game) I won't call possible tactics "cheating".
I think Brad hasn't used the right word.-

Looking on the game-flow, I can't imagine how it should be possible to win this game for the DS.
If you really think with the 620 on the frontline-nations the game is won, you're not broadcasting your statement that you're the best PBM.player on this planet.

At the moment the DS have sever problems to get rid of our armies entering Mordor ... and as a first result, Morannon is gone.
Kal Nargil will follow soon ... and some of our armies are inside of Mordor to take down the unfortified PCs.

.... and there's not much you can do!

So, I really would like to know about the DS-strategy to win this game.
... will be difficult without major PCs.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Hey as you can see some of your team have said its cheating and have gone on to say that it is so no mistake about the wording.

No oh it was an error in wording.

Its a game tactic, its legal, its not cheating, glad you agree, would be better if others came back and said it though.

Now I am sorry you are not on the ball game but I should enlighten you if you have not been advised as we could say nothing but a honest player would never do that. Mind you a honest player would not resort to personal insutls on the entire other side in my view, but hey what do I know about cheating and tactics.

You have no armies in Mordor it was a glitch alas with the orders, ME had our orders just did not run one set blocking you. Now you may say its cheating asking for a order to be implemented that they had, then again, that might be others in your side.

I am not going to tell you how you are going to lose only that you have and just dont see it, the proof for both sides is in the eating and who wins the game.

And as I have already said to you we make more MT than you destroy each go at the moment, what does that tell us about how few we have.

We have lot of money and goods, no MT problems, lots of characters, why would you think we would be in any trouble?

Now what makes you think that you are getting onto the MT town you think you are?

I cannot say we can stop it only that we have the option, if your curse boys have seen us so be it if they have not know you are safe only as you are right we have to deal with that army. You live at our pleasure not your own old pointy eared ones.

Await the next go and then see how it goes I say!

Anyway I will at least give you credit for distancing yourself from this nasty cheating storm, trust me, the rest of my side did not like it one bit.

Now so you know not one army will leave Mordor alive this go, we will retake OZ push back and rebuild the dog cap stop your next wave dead

3120 armies gone
3020 armmy gone
3221 all gone
3825 all gone

now given we will put enough troops on oz to take it back this go and you cannot stop us, no dont think ngs troops are going back, you know its dangerous to hang about, armies often offend and agents even more.

What pressure do we have on us in Mordor that really hurts?

I would even go on and say you could not stop us rebuilding the dog cap, though you may want to try doing it for us, you wont hold it.

Now I see why you think you can win as its not us on the pipeweed, we of the undead do not need it, we dont dream anymore.

[Elendar]

Sorry we didn't let you steal any gold this turn... but thanks for the advice, we will get back to naming new guys, just tell us who and where. I hear QA, Rhudaur and Dog Lord went on a naming spree this turn, so we will watch and learn from them. CL and QA will be naming new guys all over the place this turn too, I hear. Seriously, wasn't the character game supposed to be your main thing? We lost 10 characters, you lost 8. But here I go talking numbers again!

It is funny that you have lost so many MTs and Cities and capitals all throughout this game and you say that it doesn't affect you at all because you can make more. And yet, you keep harping on about how you will manage to get Osgiliath in the coming turns... Apparently you losing pops and capitals left and right all game is no biggie, but us losing our first MT in fifteen turns gets you all worked up. Ok, go for it.

NG is in bad shape due to your agent hits (nicely done, especially that ScoArmy-follow on Eleison) but looks like you plugged one hole and are flooding everywhere else...

Offensives go in attacking waves. One wave burned Morannon this turn. Another wave burned Kas Shadoul. Another wave will burn Kal Nargil. More waves will come and the best you can do will be to gloat for killing the armies _after_ their job is done.

OBN is not cheating in my opinion, but it is low play.

[Elendar]

Oh no! The new and improved LR turn had some interesting side-effects... More food for Scorba I guess.

[Elendar]

Well it was not me who sitting on the dark l cap said hey i know I will accept challange and only have one army commander, are you telling me thats great play?


Who ever did that?!

[IronLord]

Look I did not use the word cheating, I said what your doing is a loop hole to the ONB rules. And it is. ME puts up with it now, since they can’t (or don’t want to) fix the code and they don’t want to tell people how to play the game to that degree. You don’t have an issue with it we get it, you are after all the people doing it. But you can’t denied that if the market was at normal levels or below you’d have several bankrupt nations, if not the whole DS team would imploded at this point. Your whole team has gold now because its turn 18 you all have been selling small amounts supplies for crazy prices for 10 turns, now you got more than one banker and you ok; thank you for making my point for me. Your rich but you got no PC’s. The econ aspect of the game is gone, now it’s all character war and we all know the DS stick is a lot bigger in this fight.

I’m not talking this game only but the game in general and how it applies to what you’re doing now. You guys have lost this game on every front, and you know it; if you’d take a moment to get off your egos and look at the board and what has happened; yet still you’re plugging away at it ONLY because you can ONB the market pieces up. That’s it….who will win? Who knows? Really who cares? Really that’s talk is for the playground kiddies if it matters to you fine, feel good about yourself. My point was if you do win after this butt spanking you have got in this game, then it’s because of the ONB loop hole and that’s it, the only reason. It’s not because you have played a great game. Have you played great games before well that’s what we have all been told but this is not one of them, in this one you used the “I have the DS I played this move (ONB-solo), and it means I win 90% of the time” a move and any DS team with half a sack of marbles can win by doing given enough turns passing in the game. That’s my point.

But we are not giving up we are indeed wining this game and we will play it through. If we do win and you have ONB with the DS then we will have pulled off what few teams are able to do in a grudge.

[gavin]

I was the one who used the letters c-h-e-a-t in a sequence in this thread. There is no rational conversation possible with fwank, though, he's completely off the rails. Funny, yes, but not someone to take seriously in an actual conversation amongst sentient beings.

[Rommel88]

Looking on the game-flow, I can't imagine how it should be possible to win this game for the DS.
If you really think with the 620 on the frontline-nations the game is won, you're not broadcasting your statement that you're the best PBM.player on this planet.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

Cheers Gixxer. We will do. You've played a great game and we're holding on for our lives! But hold on we will.

[Rommel88]

You guys have lost this game on every front, and you know it; if you’d take a moment to get off your egos and look at the board and what has happened; yet still you’re plugging away at it ONLY because you can ONB the market pieces up. That’s it….who will win? Who knows? Really who cares? Really that’s talk is for the playground kiddies if it matters to you fine, feel good about yourself. My point was if you do win after this butt spanking you have got in this game, then it’s because of the ONB loop hole and that’s it, the only reason. It’s not because you have played a great game.

Crikey, there's a lot of assumptions in your message IronLord.

I for one hope I don't have a huge ego and I'm certain others on our team don't.

There's more than one way to skin a cat. Yes, you've played a good game but don't flatter yourself; you haven't knocked us out yet and it isn't because of OBN. When I played this game 15 years ago we still had ridiculously high prices despite no common knowledge of OBN. You guys just haven't nailed us yet.

You imply that you have won already. Not so. Rules are rules and you win when you beat us fair and square. Unfortunately for you and perhaps this is what you are sore about, is that we ain't the quitting type.

[vandal]

Hey lest deal with your issues:

You called the game won, I said I did not agree, lets see, you had your shot, you blew it, some bad play and you know it.

We not think as a team you have blown your bolt and hey we will win, whats wrong with that, you called it, we replied when we thought the games ours.

So now we see who is wrong our right, there is no harm in calling a game either way, one of us has to be wrong.

Well sad to see that you do not know your own sides moves, it was NG who blew that attack on the Dark L cap, so say its not so? You have the turns I should not need to tell you who it was.

No harm done with the revised turn for the lr well it was not me gloating about what those armies would do, I dont here it now.

We have lots of gold the game has gone beyond pure economics, we transfer gold now only in so far as we have tried to limit the total amount of gold held by some nations. If you want you can get confirmation of this from ME feel free just ask I will ok this.

At this point we will decide if we carry on this policy or not on a team vote. What we can and have done have not been the same, what we do in the future you can judge for yourself.

I should not have to explain our teams moves as you are sore losers and have to resort to personal attacks, if you wnated any limits again do it at the outset, you did not , do not now seek to impose limits.

Again you had the choice of sides and the choice to pick an agreed format, we started in winter and still manipulated the market early on and made lots of gold early and it was no one banker moves that made us what we are as a result.

We played the economy for the long game we thought it would be and built up as a result.

We stole gold, you stole little is that our fault?

Now I can say early on we had more than one nation, indeed 3 with large amount of gold, no transfers to any of them and as a result a few more now have gold, so much so yes we can move capitals if we desire and not let you do it for us, as we have the gold to spend.

You say its cheating or not the right way to play, thats your view, not ours as you had again the option of agreeing not to do this at all at the outset.

Now some of your nations I am willing to bet feed large armies off small ones to gain movement, some of your side have expressed ther view this is cheating already in other games, have you done it in this game and is it cheating? I await your answer with interest.

My view is its not but hey its just a view and not one I would call you a cheat for doing it.

We stole gold this go to so not got any idea what you are talking about this go either. But perhaps you did not see those turns.

I am aware of many a game where the dark servant bounced back from much worse positions thna we are in.

Now the question is if we can affort to replace losses and so can you, though us stealing gold makes it impossible for some, if we only kill 2 more or kidnap two more who will win in the end.

That we shall now see shall we not.

Now if you as a team wish to go down the route of name calling then who is the more petty? Its not me that started swearing on here.

It does not reflect well and when you lose as you shall, hey you still have the shot at proving me wrong, but hey lets see shall we?

The rest hey why talk about it the games on we will sek to prove we are right, you will now do the same, just using pretty low methods, far worse than ours. When reason fails one resorts to uglyness. Now if name calling and insults do not work, how far are you willing to sink?

The last time I saw this I think the personal level got to killing my wife and kids, is this how far you want to sink, or you going to stop or go further.

That is for you to decide, for me to deal with as I see fit and for others to judge.

[gavin]

When I played this game 15 years ago we still had ridiculously high prices despite no common knowledge of OBN. You guys just haven't nailed us yet.

The tactic was discovered quite early, but as is the norm in those days, wasn't necessarily broadcast, yes..? ;)

It was quite amusing to watch those who denied a single nations' gold stores affect on the game economy twist when it all came out into this OBN "ruling".

Regardless of all that, this all started when I made a little forum poke mostly in jest, point being no matter what, you guys were still losing.

And you are.

And it's possible for you to win with the current DS situation. Sure. I wish you luck and am glad you're all enjoying the game - cake walks are not much more fun for the winners than the losers most often, and we've all had ourselves a most excellent game so far.

But my lardy lardy lard, watching vandal go bananas was worth it - we might consider offering a rematch simply for the comedy... :D

[gavin]

That is for you to decide, for me to deal with as I see fit and for others to judge.

You said you would leave the game if we didn't apologize.

You lied. You are not a man of honour. Cheerio~! :p

[gavin]

Cheers Gixxer....we're holding on for our lives! But hold on we will.

And Honest DS~! Cheers!

...we ain't the quitting type.

From what I know of who is on your team, I will agree with that statement with the exception of your esteemed leader, who quit in his previous game and promised to quit here... But I guess he's had an epiphany :eek: - he's no longer a quitter, just a liar~! :rofl:

[vandal]

Hey I will leave this to ME to decide as I have said has the matter been decided as yet, no they have not dealt with it.

So until it is resolved it is where it is.

Its a simple question will they let you swear and engage in personal insults or not, then you also have a choice to make as do I.

Now as you know the wording you have used has already been dealt with in other games, so the matter has already been dealt with, the question now is will they deal with it the same way, let us see.

You know this as you where present where you not in those games, maybe the memory has gone!

Time is with us.

Now as regards the last game I gix kicked me out, do you really not know how to tell the truth. If I will go if you wany and yes is the answer is calling it a day then you dont know how to judge matters worth much.

And of course we are holding on for dear life as you say how close you where last go to getting into Mordor.

But the fact is that way is dead, the path is shut as are all the others and now we have a sigh of relief for quite a bit and dont have to worry for a bit.

But if one turn gets lost or the wrong orders are put in and I dont check the then things can and do happen that you dont want and if you count on a player moving an army to block and he does not its always a problem.

Hey we had to hold on for a long time but now its not so bad, you disagree. well lets see how that goes.

We are far from done

[vandal]

Its a shame to see you sink so low as you know you are losing in the long run, but hey carry on and see how low you can go before it really becomes personal and no longer a game. How low can you go?

[gavin]

I point and laugh and you cry to Clint ~ "Wah~! Brad's being a meanie on the forum~!".

Okay. I can't wait to see how long I have to go to jail for. Cheerio~!

[Elendar]

Hey lest deal with your issues:

Well sad to see that you do not know your own sides moves, it was NG who blew that attack on the Dark L cap, so say its not so? You have the turns I should not need to tell you who it was.

Mmmm, you mean that time when I was on DkLt cap with not enough men to scratch it even if it had 1 loyalty? It was a city when we got there. And you don't remember it that well, I did have a backup (Gildar) who just fought your guys the next turn and killed 1050 men of yours (including 200 HC)

But whatever, if you are saying that on turn 11 North Gondor, with negligible outside help, should have also burned Barad Dur after capturing Ungol (and having lost _nothing_!), I am afraid that says more about your play in the Ithil than about ours.

[vandal]

Sadly not the case Clint asked for me to let him deal with such matters before going ballistic and such I am doing.

If its OK to do this then you will see me go far worse than you.

For now its more refrained, lets see how it pans out.

I am more than happy to trade with you in a free for all if thats how its got to be.

And no you did not point and laugh you knew you where going to lose and could not take it.

Knowing I do not suffer personal insults you chose to go completely outside the spirit of the game and do so.

You team talks big about the spirit of the game but where does it cover name calling and insulting others? How do you cover this in the spirit of the game?

Now its OK for you to put bare faced lies on here but you dont like it when you are called on the matter.

Just a bunch of bully boys who like to throw it around but cannot take it so sink to the level you have.

Now as regards the matter of the dark l cap hey so its great play to accept challange is it?

You like to give us freebies and lose armies for no loss?

So the rule of thumb is dont think you can do it give up and die?

I can see I gave you more credit than you deserved no bounce on the walls and die man I am afraid to lose anyone, no decent backup orders jusat accept challange let me recruit more troops and lose it all for naught?

Tut tut I did misread that I thought you slipped another army in and it was great play to do so, just poor play to lose the first army.

Now I know its just poor play thanks for telling me that.

I gave you more credit than you deserved. Shall we mark you dont as afaraid to die on the walls but silly enough to take a challange.

Interesting play indeed, please carry on, can i have more please?

[Elendar]

You like to give us freebies and lose armies for no loss?


If by 'no loss' you mean 'not getting a pop centre' then I'm afraid only two armies of yours have caused loss in 17 turns of playing :)

[vandal]

Dont be afraid answer the question:

You had two commanders decide to accept challange decide to do nothing with the backup, lose sit on the hex let me recruit morte troops and then dont atatck the pop centre?

Hmmmm dont want to go their now do we, lets change tack and talk about anyhting else.

What could it be, oh I know lets talk about army loss, knowing our game is killing and kidnapping your characters, how many is that?

Now how many of ours do you have?

Well could it be none and how many of your guys do we have?

I have no interest in how many armies you had to win a battle you wont win the war with all your losses yourself.

Perhaps you should have gone global, hey I know you say its not a lot for us to say we can take OZ so late but hey when you say you are crushing mordor does not ring quite true.

So the question has been put already want to answer it or not, I dont mind if I am to big a monster and put the fear of god into you, I am sure others can help you out.

Now how many guys will you lose this go and my other question is can you sustain these losses?

If you can so be it, I dont think you cna take many more but carry on and show me I am wrong.

You know I am daring you as I dont think you can take them, dont bite, you may not like what you fish out.

Dont say you where not warned.

[Elendar]

Dont be afraid answer the question:

You had two commanders decide to accept challange decide to do nothing with the backup, lose sit on the hex let me recruit morte troops and then dont atatck the pop centre?


You seriously lack imagination when it comes to the army game, this is evident by your military moves (if any) but also by your interpretation of ours. Bottom line, that army captured Barad Ungol and what was left put a wedge on your counter-attack for three turns, killed your reinforcements and _then_ died. If we were more lucky on the challenge (which did not kill our army but messed their move), it would have done more, but not what you think it would have. You have proved that at least :)

[vandal]

Hey I told ytou what I think, you think my play sucks, I think yours sucks, but at least you gave me an answer in the end.

Like pulling teeth with you, but hey interesting thought, if only we see if in another light.

But my troops where never going anywhere I had you on my pop centre and wnated to keep you on it, we put in a order to make you stay so we could do other things outside it, could we do them yes we could, did we play with you yes we did.

What either side sees is but a part of the play but for us we did waht we wanted and we recruited troops so what did you stop?

You stayed where we wanted you dies as we wanted and you could not bring yourself to die on the walls.

Tells me all I need to know.

We gambled you where to afraid to attack and we stood and you stayed so what does that tell you about that play?

If you did what we wanted now what do you think that says, who got it right?

Well did not seem to be you, but hey such is life, lets agree to disagree, and hey the proof of the pudding is in the outcome is it not?

We shall find out at the end of the game the answer to that indeed!

[gavin]

Hey I told ytou what I think, you think my play sucks, I think yours sucks

Without searching the messages, I'm not sure if we necessarily said your play "sucks". I did call you "sucky" though, that's different...

But we're winning at this point, that's obvious to all of us and most of the rest of your team. The only question is whether we can finish the deal. We're coming - hope you're ready....

[IronLord]

Blee lets just get back to the game and make the best out of it.

[vandal]

Oh I think your messages have more than said my play sucks, many a less than nice word used about it.

Of course some of us dont speak the Queens English but some deviant devils brew that sprung off it that does not have the same meaning for the same words.

Please stick to English and not some other version please, so we are all on the same page in our insults.

Hey bested is what you are going to get and we dont need to insult you or call you names to do it, I tell you its going to hurt to lose to me and you can say as much as you like about hey we are winning but our side knows its not true no matter what you say.

You disagree, good bring it on and prove it on the field of battle and dont try and be nasty sour losers.

Have you had enough of us killing more of yours than you do of ours?

Or should we kill some more?

Just as we can!

Of course if you can feel free!

[vandal]

Now on the subject of tactics on the Dark L capital given that we used a 840 and you tried to move and did not, we recruited more troops and you lost your character, pray tell who won that move. We can exchange turns on that at the end to prove it, want to wager on it?

Since we where never going to reinforce anything, we can leave that to others, pray tell me what did you do to us?

You wanted to move we stopped you, we had to use an army to take you down, we did so. we took out both guys did we not, now what damge did you do to us?

Thats great tactics?

Can you teach me some more?

[vandal]

Now some people have the courage to not try and hide it when they swear at you and others who lack the courage to be upfront try and hide it.

Now if you want to swear at me at least have the courage to be open about it and not some chicken who has to hide it.

Of course we have now established that in the spirit of the game its ok to call the other side cheaters, when its clear they have broken no rules, and swear and insult them outside the game itself. Any other options in the spirit of the game I should be made aware of?

Its some spirit you play in indeed!

Hey I have made my bones long ago but these things carry on for some time and mark you as a team forever, of course you may think otherwise.

[Gixxer]

Hey Frank,
would it be possible to write "short stories" instead of "novels"?
Most of the stuff isn't relevant and it's boring to read it.

Make it short!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Just for you, I wil keep this one short!

No.

[vandal]

Hey I am still not feeling the love, so as I said in the spirit of the game, its fine for you to go outside the game and swear, just trying to hide it oh so poorly and of course slander the other side as they dont agree with you.

Still not hearing any reply, could it be you dont have a defence, just like we are going to crush you in this game, but you dont yet see it!

[vandal]

On the same front we would ask you stop swearing, taking the game outside the game and stop calling us cheats, but one can just ask, can one not.

We prefer to play the game.

[vandal]

Now I know I am repeating myself but can NG please reply, and either show his not got what it takes or take up my kind offer that I cannot loose, but does show who got it wrong on the dark l capital. When I have you in my grasp and cannot lose I like to play and when you squirm so much and say how poor we played but its found its shot you in the foot, then its the silent treatment?

A bit like the we are winning as we can replace kidnapped guys, darm no we cannot, now what do we do, oh I know lets insult them see if they go away.

Now you have my attention I see you dont like it.

[gavin]

Oh no, we love it - like a wind up toy, we're all sitting back with a drink in our hands howling with laughter... You really are fun, you know..

[vandal]

Well we had thought you had been doing something to make those claims but now we know. Homebrew no doubt.

Still afraid to come out and say it right out, stab you in the back kind of guy, hide in the shadows. You should have been adark servant.

So we can take it nothing is to low for you to sink to in the spirit of the game of course!

Fine by me carry on chugging it down and keep those eyes rose tinted!

Thats fine you are still going to lose.

Enjoy the coming turns we will.

[gavin]

You said the forum was ours this game. You lied.

You said you would leave if we didn't apologize. You lied.

You're a many times proven liar - that's not name calling. The sun comes up in the East, 1+1=2, Fwank is a liar. Now go off and write 20 posts of 1000 illegible words all you want, doesn't change the facts.

[vandal]

So Billy Liar, who can replace kidnapped characters, thinks playing by the rules is cheating and loves to swear but does not have the guts to just straight out do it, thinks he knows what a lair is.

It does not change the facts you are going to lose to me and I wil lrub your nose real hard.

Perhaps we have what is now called a grudge match as my team sure are up for it now.

No motivation required by me.

Enjoy being a loser, you actions just confirm it, I will make sure it happens, oh deep is my joy.

[vandal]

Oh by the way for one so up on playing by the rules, you should read the forum rules again as I would think one who plays in the right spirit might use them!

You do play within the spirit of the game dont you?

Care to define that to me I clearly dont understand your logic or how your actions fit in with the concept.

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

[vandal]

Hmmmmmmmm gone all silent on me, cannot you play anymore?

Have I been to mean?

Oh well I best leave you alone for a bit, you ned your rest, all that drinking can be so tiring. And you have some game planning to get on with to.

[gavin]

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

When did we break these highly subjective "rules"...? Watch out for the "hateful" one... :p

[Gixxer]

Just for you, I wil keep this one short!

No.

... and interestingly their is more content in it than in your novels!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Who ever said my novels had any content?

Not me so feel free to ignore them!

I tend to ignore most of what your side puts out, well all the we have won stuff mostly.

But hey still not feeling the love, I know its hard to lose to me but hey thats life, I will just enjoy the rest of the ride.

By the way I am not a teacher, some lessons need to be taught some learned, you can do all that yourself though dont ask me to teach you.

[vandal]

Are you fed up swearing at me yet by the way?

Fed up calling us cheats?

Fed up feeling so sour?

Fed up losing?

Want to give up?

[vandal]

So the spirit of the game where sour grapes and bad language abound is the way to play, where honest endevour does not exist and the game in the gutter is the way to play.

Bravo but you can keep your spirit of the game we prefer to win in the game and not take it outside it.

[gavin]

Oh goodie...I thought you had gone away.

[vandal]

No just waiting for your next spirit of the game move!

How low can you go?

And this is not limbo.

[vandal]

Hmmmmmmmmm not feeling the love

Now Ng how many armies do you have in the field of play? Not sure if its bravery of foolishness but thats two more of your guys in the bag this go can you afford any more losses? Please feel free to come across the river and lose a few more I have your number and its been dialed, your race is done in mordor, prove me wrong why dont you!

So dont be a whimp except challange NG you know you want to, can we make you do so if we taunt you enough?

SG was it us or you who blinked first? I do not see us running away, why did you not stay and play and how many guys wil you lose this go, no running will not save you. Come let me feast on your flesh, for I will be!

Of course if the rest of you run away not a lot one can do about that!

Corsairs man running will not save you either we know who you are and expect to lose a few this go as well.

Well I await more sour grapes next go as the tick tock of the clock gringds you down.

You know it was a bad idea to insult our team, one you will learnto regret, as we have unleashed but a few of our weapons, watch and learn as we unleash many more.

Oh and feel free to tell me how we will lose, makes me so happy to watch a comedy.

[vandal]

Well this is going to be an interesting turn indeed do you wait with baited breath or is it the smell of fear?

I know its hard to lose to me, tick tock goes the clock as we count the time down, one more turn at a time!

[vandal]

Best not get this turn wrong as I am hunting you and if you get it wrong you will feel the meaning of the word called pain!

[fax]

Lots of talk and very little action from the DS this turn. Keep it up "we're not playing on the boards this game" and "I won't play without an apology" liar, we're watching and laughing, as we've been all game...

[Elendar]

Let me say on your behalf: Ouch

[IronLord]

OMG the DS might be taking Osgil-3024 for the 1st time and its only turn 18.....the FP are doomed!

[vandal]

Hey you talk trash and you are trash I will sort you out on the field and its going to be good knowing I can rub it in your noses you have lost to me.

Yes you are doomed your just not wise enough to see it, but hey carry on and lets see what happens shall we not.

Tut tut next time you knock us dont copy us with the same trick, now thats not clever at all.

And come on your not very good at the insults just cannot you not do any better?

When reason falls one resorts to sour grapes smart mouth trash talk outside the game as you know you cannot win.

Its rather cheap and nasty please feel free to carry on I to enjoy listening to the pathetic moaning coming from your team.

To the victor goes the spoils and its still not me running away, glad to see you now note we are pushing you back.

Where is the we will crush mordor push into it and smash you, well as you are not doing it, your quite boring this go.

Enjoy yourself for we are.

[vandal]

So how many of your decent agents can you lose each go to us before you give in?

I think we can swap agents with you all day long.

Its late we have lots of them, do you?

Run but you canot hide, and in the meantime we will ravage what you do not guard at will.

I can hunt you and kill you and still take out your other guys not seeing you do it, yes you have lost but carry on so I can toy with you more.

Now we know why its a grudge match

[vandal]

You know its a shame when you try and play a decent game that you end up playing such a bunch of cheats as yourself.

Clearly we have played within the game rules and you have sought to break them by not playing within them.

You have amitted its only a spirit of the game that your team applies yet you have sought to apply the to others when you know it emans you cannot win

So who are the cheater, those that play to the rules or those who do not, clearly it is your team, quite sour and twisted at the fact they have not won a claim they said was so boring as it was easy to win.

One who boasted about what they would do to us but could not do it.

Enjoy the boasting and whatever else you wish to do, it wont save you

[vandal]

Can we have some more toys please?

So kind to donate, want to give us more?

[fax]

:)

You're hilarious Fwank. Keep going...keep going....

[vandal]

Hey only cowards have to hide when they swaer, so at least we know your a coward, no more needs to be said.

Laugh as you lose as it keeps me happy knowing it

[fax]

Where is the we will crush mordor push into it and smash you, well as you are not doing it, your quite boring this go.

Um...in case you didn't notice it, your Cloud Lord city will be destroyed in less than 2 weeks. But I take it you were too busy leading your fantasy life on the forum than paying any attention to how the FP killed more characters this turn than the DS did - again... And how you're losing yet another Mordor capital (oh wait, it's not the capital anymore, wot..?!).

Keep going fwank, you're really hilarious....!

[vandal]

Hey what can I say except your pretty low bunch who cannot play within the rules or the spirit of the game

You have lost and dont know it so carry on its making my day!

Trash talk gets you nowhere but a good hiding in the game, cowards one and all so it seems, I love the fact that in your spirit of the game swearing, changing the game rules, is the way to play but hey you play in the true spirit dont you?

Oh again? Pray tell where this comes from? Must have been that dream you had but hey you have a lot of those to it seems.

OK so maths is not your strongest subject boasting is?

Ouch that hurt so bad!

Not!

But hey dream on its pleasant and its not for me to spoil your fun.

[fax]

You know, all I said was that you were sucky-cheaters... Cannot play within the rules? Turn 19 is coming up - we've played quite happily, thanks. And taken over virtually the entire map except the interior of Mordor and some trash in Harad. Looking pretty good from our perspective as you babble on about nothing that has anything to do with reality. I know it makes you feel better, but even your own team thinks you've finally fallen over the cliff of sanity. You keep taking out 6 of ours, we'll keep taking out 8 of yours, oh yeah, and Cities too... Keep talking as you get smaller.....and smaller.....and smaller..... :p

[vandal]

Hey those such as your team who seek to change the agreed rules cannot play a fair and honest gamae, as demonstrated by your sour grapes and low life swearing.

Hey prattle on all you like about good you are doing, its not hurting us and hey.

I of course have far to go to get as small as you but hey you can dream it can happen and if it makes you happy why dont you dream

The fact is you have lost but hey carry on dreaming!

[vandal]

You know its pretty low to have to swear to get what you want but hey we know your low so no need to keep trying to teach you.

[Gixxer]

Hey what can I say except your pretty low bunch who cannot play within the rules or the spirit of the game

You have lost and dont know it so carry on its making my day!

Trash talk gets you nowhere but a good hiding in the game, cowards one and all so it seems, I love the fact that in your spirit of the game swearing, changing the game rules, is the way to play but hey you play in the true spirit dont you?

Oh again? Pray tell where this comes from? Must have been that dream you had but hey you have a lot of those to it seems.

OK so maths is not your strongest subject boasting is?

Ouch that hurt so bad!

Not!

But hey dream on its pleasant and its not for me to spoil your fun.


Someone who isn't able to add 1 to 1 shouldn't talk about maths!

... further on, he shouldn't talk so loud about trash-talking while he's insulting our complete team.-

I've thought there was left a single a spark of decency into you Frank, but I think I was wrong!

Gixxx

[Gixxer]

Hey those such as your team who seek to change the agreed rules cannot play a fair and honest gamae, as demonstrated by your sour grapes and low life swearing.

Hey prattle on all you like about good you are doing, its not hurting us and hey.

I of course have far to go to get as small as you but hey you can dream it can happen and if it makes you happy why dont you dream

The fact is you have lost but hey carry on dreaming!

Did someone assaults you and your family?
... like someone else should have done a while ago?

Must be hard to be imprisoned into this fantasy-world created by your own mind!
... but perhaps we all are able to understand your postings much better now!

Gixxx

[Elendar]

Game 19 forum is quiet, while the DS internal mailing list is on fire, arguing whether they should concede now or play another couple turns and see how it goes. Us FPs would like to support the second camp, if you will allow us a say on the matter. Much too fun to stop it this early!

In the meantime, our commanders in Osgiliath are worried about the sanitary conditions in the city after the newest arrivals. We had warned our allied nations not to push you guys too hard from north, east and south, or we'd end up having all these orcs running for their lives and squeezing out of Ithilien like toothpaste. Can we ask you politely to squeeze back inside and wait for your turn? Thank you...

[Gixxer]

Game 19 forum is quiet, while the DS internal mailing list is on fire, arguing whether they should concede now or play another couple turns and see how it goes. Us FPs would like to support the second camp, if you will allow us a say on the matter. Much too fun to stop it this early!

In the meantime, our commanders in Osgiliath are worried about the sanitary conditions in the city after the newest arrivals. We had warned our allied nations not to push you guys too hard from north, east and south, or we'd end up having all these orcs running for their lives and squeezing out of Ithilien like toothpaste. Can we ask you politely to squeeze back inside and wait for your turn? Thank you...

Vandal swallowed his own tongue, now he's busy to digest the poison in it.
He will be back very soon, like all the other things we really don't need.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Gix you are not hard enough to come and assault me or my family unless you have a bunch of guys with boots and machine guns with you.

But hey some of us seem to get kicks out of killing kids and women, are you really saying thats your cup of tea?, dont you think its going a bit to far mentioning assaulting family members?

Now of course some of us did not lose the last war, so peeple like you are free to mention assaulting people for real and outside the game.

If those rather nasty lot had won you would not be talking about it but doing it.

Hey some team you have cannot win so hey lets mention beating up his family.

Wow some spirit of the game.

Way to go boys really shows the way forward, I myself thought we did for those type many a year ago, but I see they still exist.

Only scum even mention beating peoples families over a game, even in jest, not the done thing, just a sad bunch.

I wonder how low you can indeed go, shall we see, whats next kicking kids, stealing crutches or worse?

Enjoy, man sick and twisted if you ask me.

[vandal]

Free the spirit, be right wing and play our way, sounds like your moto!

We of the dark side play for the free and fair way to play where rules as agreed are the norm and we dont sulk when we cannot win as we like.

Where families are safe from harm and we dont ever mention assaulting them even in jest.

Where the game remains a game and we dont feel the ned to swear at the other side.

Where we are happy winning and you are bitter and twisted as you know you have lost!

[fax]

Really Frank...? This is getting a little too far off, even for you...

[Spivo]

Damn, this thread is like watching some soap-opera. We're just missing dream sequences :)

[vandal]

Far off is a team that thinks taking it outside the game and bringing asaulting the family into it, play the spirit, go for it, come on Gix dont be a girl come over and try it I can say you wont leave here alive, but hey you of course are free to think otherwise.

Are you all talk and no trousers, yes I know its easy to threaten it harder to do, bit like your gamer play really.

Well the dream bit was Gix thinking he was hard enough to try and bash anyone, so you did not miss it.

Its not a game anymore its turned into a real war or so it seems!

[fax]

Damn, this thread is like watching some soap-opera. We're just missing dream sequences :)

We need some alien influence and maybe some key characters coming back from the dead too...

[fax]

Far off is a team that thinks taking it outside the game and bringing asaulting the family into it, play the spirit, go for it, come on Gix dont be a girl come over and try it I can say you wont leave here alive, but hey you of course are free to think otherwise.

Are you all talk and no trousers, yes I know its easy to threaten it harder to do, bit like your gamer play really.

Well the dream bit was Gix thinking he was hard enough to try and bash anyone, so you did not miss it.

Its not a game anymore its turned into a real war or so it seems!

You're hilarious Fwank. We all know you're some 5'6" or so high voiced little turd. You've issued threats in the past, via PM and email, you've even threatened to come to my house and take me on in the past. I've waited years for you to appear, so far no Fwank. Keep spluttering on and hiding out as it suits your goldfish memory. :p

[Elendar]

Oooookay, back to the game now folks! Elves, dragons, Nazgul (or no Nazgul, we will see in a bit) you know... Games and stuff...

:hug:

[vandal]

Talk is cheap and lets see the e mails and messages then, no need for me to hide away in the shadows, but like yourself pretty much full of it.

Go beat up a cripple or two as thats about as much as you can handle on a good day!

As I said do you really have to hide the swearing are you really that scared to front up, can you jusy hide in shadows?

We are meant to be the bad guys but I can see it suits you.

Boy I am so scared of your side way to play the game real spirit of the game, how low can you go, me i think you have no limit.

Hey if I did not laugh so much I might cry to see just how pathetic you are, it hurts I know to lose to me, but dont worrry you can go home and cry on someones shoulder after its all over!

[vandal]

Back to the game, is that the best you can do?

Try harder!

[vandal]

I have not looked and have no idea who fax is fess up and Ican no doubt reply to your message, its hard to do so when you like to hide so much!

[fax]

Shut up you pathetic small man. I'm sure your mother called you small as have all the rest of the 2 other, sad and regretful, women in your life.

Your team has been mailing us with ROFL messages, laughing behind your back - at you. It's a small community - and you're the joke of it all.

Cheers.

Oh, and come find me, to take me on and do all the things you said you would those years ago:

95 Denison Street
Brampton, Ontario - Canada

I've been waiting since 2004 or so. Come on big man, do like you said - for the FIRST TIME ever....

[fax]

I just now figured it was worth mentioning: I've been with some of this crew and more for 10 years. We've NEVER won as FP against 1/2 good opposition. But then, we've NEVER lost as DS either.

This game is one of the most enjoyable challenges we've been in for years. Thanks for that.

[vandal]

Well come on fess up who are you then one can of course answer your question.

But of course at least I had a mother clearly you are hellsporn and still pretty sour just as you cannot take the beating in the game.

Oh and if its the case they have been mailing you come on prove it otherwise we know much like the rest of what you say its pretty trash.

But come on lets see those emials threating you, big mouth no action as you are.

If I said I would kill you or smash you I might remember it.

If of course you are the silly boy who. much like this team seem to think sending e mails threating to kill ones family, then indeed I do believe I did say should you turn up at my doot I would have no hesitation in killing you, but hey I did not say I was going to hunt you down.

Anyone foolish enough to threaten something then try it deserves all they get, of course you may be that nutty you do want to try it and if thats the case feel free to try.

Dont go crying about it do it or dont do it, and no need to make it all up, go on and cry on your teasm shoulders they will help you I am sure.

[fax]

Well, I'm no longer sitting by the door (holding myself together as I LMAO...) but come on over like you spluttered on about. Or did you have a date in Australia first..?

Oh, 19 was good for the DS. Ebb and flow...that's why we're addicted I guess.. :)

[vandal]

Oh yes Mr Bully boy the only player I know who attacks his own team mates as they wont do as you tell them.

Like all bullies dont really have the much in the way of guts, just bluster about things they dream about when called on it.

Your welcome to come over but I have always had better thing to do with my time than fly over to visit you. Why waste my time and money on someone I view as a sorry example of a human being.

You remained a bully then and I have no doubt you remain the same now.

Now I may not like you and think you are a poor example of a gamer, but I have never felt thje need to threaten you with physical harm, or go visit you, but feel free to think what you like.

Your mate hey he knows my thoughts and they wont change, but I am not that bothered that I feel the need to go hunting people.

If they want to come hunt me so be it,, its no longer a game, so s I always say feel free, no more needs to be said.

Glad to see you have got over that fear factor of me paying you a visit, if you had asked you might have saved yourself years of trouble worrying about it.

Ebb and flow? I am told we have lost and the games over and its all done and dusted, when as I have said the games not talking a few turns we are talking long and hard, perhaps you have worked out we have been very busy in our own way!


Ebb and flow so cryptic, but hey lets see just how it goes, its going to be interesting indeed this go and that you can be sure off!

[Gixxer]

Oh yes Mr Bully boy the only player I know who attacks his own team mates as they wont do as you tell them.

Like all bullies dont really have the much in the way of guts, just bluster about things they dream about when called on it.

Your welcome to come over but I have always had better thing to do with my time than fly over to visit you. Why waste my time and money on someone I view as a sorry example of a human being.

You remained a bully then and I have no doubt you remain the same now.

Now I may not like you and think you are a poor example of a gamer, but I have never felt thje need to threaten you with physical harm, or go visit you, but feel free to think what you like.

Your mate hey he knows my thoughts and they wont change, but I am not that bothered that I feel the need to go hunting people.

If they want to come hunt me so be it,, its no longer a game, so s I always say feel free, no more needs to be said.

Glad to see you have got over that fear factor of me paying you a visit, if you had asked you might have saved yourself years of trouble worrying about it.

Ebb and flow? I am told we have lost and the games over and its all done and dusted, when as I have said the games not talking a few turns we are talking long and hard, perhaps you have worked out we have been very busy in our own way!


Ebb and flow so cryptic, but hey lets see just how it goes, its going to be interesting indeed this go and that you can be sure off!

You need to check your head Frank.

Gixxx

[vandal]

Mines fine, but of course if you think otherwise your free to think so, its a free world we live in, unlike your sides, who think if you dont do as you think you are cheating.

But as you know we have many more turns of this game lets enjoy it shall we, I am waiting for your sides next trick


As i said how low can you go, I myself dont think you have reached rock bottom, enjoy the game you know I am just toying with you to keep it going, lets see how much fun you are having as the game goes on.

Now I think your side said two more blows and we are gone, well you had those do we look gone?

Now a few of your side seem short on cash need a loan? we have so much I am sure we can help you out, how much do you need?

Now I dont see either of the gondors paying us any visits nor the corsairs, dont see them gloating either of late, where are those promised thrashings?

Interesting indeed no in game gloating just out of the game taunting as a rule now?

Perhaps its time for you to play the game again and give up the personal attacks, one might find you do better!

I need a harder game any chance of one?

[vandal]

Now back to in game taunting as we prefer to play the game unlike your side.

NG where is that promised kicking? Its not us disbanding our armies and running away, going to stop us taking ithil now we have got it revealed at long last!

Come on mordor was broken and at your mercy was it not, the game was boring and done, is your side still making that claim?

SG running around with that army wont save it and nor will picking up anything, I dont see your armies doing much either, will they ever?

Corsairs, oh dear we sit on your pop centres and top you as we like, can you afford to come back and stay, how many armies do you have in the field? Or perhaps the question we should be asking is how many can you field next go? Its give us some gold or have no armies to defend yourself and then you best have a lot of gold!

What are you going to do about it? Come on dont make it so easy its a cakewalk at the moment.

Come on now you good old boys dont let us have it so easy down south, its been just so easy to do whatever we want.

Now when you start removing your own fortifications before we arrive are you really saying I give up?

If I taunt you enough will you come down south with more guys and lose them to or just hide away and know we have you for the taking!

Ouch times are indeed hard for you! Where are the rest of the boys when you need them, and no we did not blink first and leave you alone to defend, we can hunt your mates down and still do you and put our feet up and do lunch inbetween.

Now as was said when you burned the CL cap its done and dusted what you going to do about it now?

Now to the eo thanks for spreading out saves us the job of moving and no we wont be stealing so much this go just removing a few chaps who need a good kicking!

OK so I know it wont hurt you to much but hey every little helps!

To the rest wait and see!

So might be late but hey its us pushing into you, now, so since we have money, pop centres and characters, indeed more than the good side do, since we kidnapped more than you, whats this plan where we are dead after two more blows?

Well you did that does this mean you might be wrong?

Ouch thats not going to hurt alas, idle boasts never do!

Oh and big daddy how big are you feeling knowing your a dead man.

And those stumpies well what can you say just cannot do the job when you need them can they NG?

Its hard when you realise the games not the boring game you kept moaning about!

Well lets see what you do next make some in game idle boasts or keep up the out of game trash talk your spirit of the game demands!

[vandal]

Oh come on no reply but you are winning and mine are idle boasts, are they not.

Well next go we will take ithil care to try and stop us?

Next go we mush the corsairs as the next wave hits home, can you stop us? go on I date you to try!

Man thats a crap lot of troops you have in defence my old granny could take them on, but of course nows the time to prove us wrong.

Sg well his time has come to no troops in defence, your camp burners to late I dare you to stop me, ops well yes I do jump the gun, our boys may miss, it happens, I just doubt it and wnat you to know whats coming your way.

Unlike you we dont tel you wjen its to late I wnat you to have a shot at stopping it, its up to you if you choose not to.

NG your to chicken to stay and play and your running away to hide away tells me so.

Foolish indeed to come across in the first place, I cna see your pride got the better of you and wisdom when you saw what you faced made you do otherwise. Still now its you running and us taking your stuff as we like what you going to do about it?

No hiding out of sight does not save you, we juswt have to hunt you down thats all!

For a game thats all over we seem to have a lot of power left!

[fax]

For a game thats all over we seem to have a lot of power left!

You guys had a good turn....it's about time~! :p

[vandal]

Still not bad for a spent force, on the ropes bunch of push overs!

Maybe you may believe its a long hard game, maybe you wont, maybe we got lucky, maybe we did not, a lot of maybes in all this.

Well we think next go is better for us but we shall see!

Makes it worth the wait.

Yes I know its naughy to taunt those less fortunate like the gondors but hey they had a shot and blew it, now they can get it in the ear a bit.

[Elendar]

Ohh, game talk!

<<NG where is that promised kicking?>>

Did I promise it or was that wishful thinking? Some folks like that kind of thing!
NG is the shield-arm of the Free, we keep you busy while the sword pokes you (and oh dear, have you been poked!). And that shield-bash on Ungol? Yes, it happens occasionally, very enjoyable it was too. But if from that you extrapolated that NG promised you a kicking then it would also explain a lot of the _other_ stuff you keep talking about.

<<Come on mordor was broken and at your mercy was it not, the game was boring and done>>

I don't know if Mordor is broken, but it certainly looks smaller. If it keeps shrinking at the same rate, eventually you will be able to use the Mantle and hide all of it.

Having said that, going back in the thread you will also find that I never said the game was boring. Instead I mentioned a number of times that I am having a lot of fun. It has been a great game and I hope it stays a great game :)

<<whats this plan where we are dead after two more blows?>>

You got me there... What can I say, you're a stubborn lot! Kudos to you for not being quitters...
(Guys, can I have two more blows here please? Something is still moving!)

Now, what happened to your character superiority? Last turn you lost two more guys than us, and this turn you lost as many (but for the two battle casualties we had, alas!). You lost your pretty agent cloak, you lost your emissary toy, you lost Khamul...
Then you lost your regular serving of small pops (I doubt you'd get 'fair' loyalty by this point if you added all your pops together)
Then you lost the Cloud Lord city and then you ALSO lost Olbamarl...
I have no clue how you managed to write two pages of stuff and not mention any of these :)

That we did all this and still we considered it a shabby turn probably says a lot about what we've been doing to you every other turn...

[vandal]

Hey whatever you do I leave it to you to talk about, thats not for me to taunt you about.

Well as a shield exactle what are you doing then?

But the question is not how mnay you kill, the question is, how many you replaced?

Care to say you replaced those losses? Since of course I know some of those dead could not have been replaced, and no we did not kidnap them.

Strange we have one of your team members saying it was a good turn for us and now you say its not. hmmmmm not good off the same hymm sheet.

But I am not talking team with you, just taunting your inability to get back and hurt us now the worm has turned.

Yes I am pointing at you, man did you run, you know we know, yes you do, you know we got lucky, yes we did, what you going to do about it, hey you know where we where last go, now the corsairs hey I let him go and did not give it to him, but have we done him a nice surgical strike?

Well with all those in the bag and a few more about to join, hey why not taunt you, as in your case what can you do about it!

Hey did you see us whinging about our battle losses? And man we have lost a few this seems quite a brutal game for that. Tut tut shame on you luck goes both ways, but if you have more troops you make your own luck, wont see us moaning about it.

Now you seem to think you are hurting us, but far from it, with money out our earholes, yes I know you dont like it, lots of characters and to many MT to go around, we have a lot of fight in us.

The question you have to ask is you can take a camp or a pop centre but can you know hurt us, we of course can now do the same, you might have got an idea we have quite a few armies wandering about to, so can youi save the corsairs, wil lyou try? Can you save yourself, nope for that you will have to have help.

Hey if you like I will even tell you what I plan to do to you next to see if you want to stop me? See even you lot are not that cocky, why wait until its done, only the brave or foolish tell you what they are going to do, want to judge?

I have perhaps taunted you enough, your time has passed, others must now feel a good kicking instead.

Well you may not believe it wait and see.

Its going to be an interesting next go!

[Gixxer]

... one good thing it has!
It's not necessary to listen to this any longer!

Good gaming for both sides!

Gixxx

[vandal]

You know if I could join you I would, its been pretty crap!

[vandal]

However you know we are very dark and the question that springs to mind is can we go lower than the good guys.

You know the elves and men can be swayed to the dark side, can we sway you enough to join us?, come on sell those good guys out, you know it makes sense!

Sell your soul to the devil, think of all those idle pleasures, women wine and song we can throw at you, and yes they can get darker!

Listen to those whispering words and turn to the dark sideeeeeeee.

[vandal]

NG this is not a game of how many guys you kill but which ones and how many you can replace.

Now if I kill all your Capital characters can you replace them that go?

If you kill our commanders do I care I expect to lose them and replace a few.

Can you sit on our capitals turn after turn, can we? If the answer if you have to run, whose winning? That wil lcome out in the wash in the end

We replaced all game, you dont, think about it, I should not have to teach you how to suck eggs.

We have how many more guys in the bag? you are over one nation down, does it hurt, maybe you say it does not, we shall see.

Now since you asked, yes one will deliver a blow this go, enjoy, just a small token of my appreciation for your request to get another kicking as yes you are moving still.

SG well his got to suffer as well as you and of course the corsairs are very toasty, stop us if you can, yes you know we are playing and staying. I am not running and have dared you to stop us, can you set me the same task.

I will tell you where I go and dare you to play, its not me whose running!

Is it working are you men good enough to stop us or shall we crush you like we think?

Boy next goes going to be unreal, I do not think that someone knows whats going to hit them. They can guess but boy!

Corsairs, SG, NG you are not a threat and have not been for a bit, what you got to say about it?

Of course some of you are a pain, but dont expect me to talk about it!

That I leave to you.

Boy can I taunt you some more, now woodies can you hold what you take and can you feel the pain one is about to hit you with?

Its not about what you take its do you have the power or guts to hold it?

I am about to teach you that lesson, if you learn it can I send you a bill?

Eo well thanks saves us a trip but yes I know wont hurt you to much, just a few pecks, just to keep you honest.

I have left a couple of you out as I want you to feel it in the turns.

Idle talk those who know me better know when your names called, it dies, when I tel lyou what we are doing we are feeling cocky and have the power to do it.

Feel our wrath!

[vandal]

Now you do the maths and tell me do we have one whole nation of yours more done in kidnaps.

Which one of our capitals can you sit on?

Now how many of yours can I name that I do indeed sit on.

Now how many have you moved and we still sit on the new ones?

How many of those even losses did you replace, given you called us cheats for having so much gold, which we are using, to replace losses every turn, whats in the number of giys killed?

Some of us get to replace them, some of your guys do not!

Ouch and you tell me we are doing badly in only matching you for kills, think again and lets hear your wisdom, for its not wisdom you say so far.

So tell me again, who did better last go, I am eager to hear it.

Want to me tell you what capitals I will sit on to?

Need me to tell you more as not telling you one is not doing to hot a job.

Do I seem scared trading?

I think you have no idea whats going on myself, lest see then next go shall we!

Come on taunt me with something thats going to hurt not a few guys I will replace, because I want you to stay and play.

Hunting you diverts some guys but hey we have the killers to spare, do you?

Stay and play why dont you?

Come on lets dance, I think I can afford to trade agents and still win, prove me wrong. can I make you make that mistake?

Ouch the worms turned and now its us that taunts you and now you feel it, but still dont see it.

[vandal]

Hey come on where is the taunting?

Now how many characters will the corsairs make this go? Come on how many did he make last go, how much gold has he got and what armies does he have to stop us?

No gold as we will steal it all, oh yes we will, no characters as we did any who could and you know what, do you need me to tell you, none this go either.

Now no you did not learn from NG and yes you stood still, thats means another in the bag, hmmmm can you take those losses, come on taunt me tell me you can. Tell me I am wrong, you know the pudding is in the eating, If I am wrong we wont do naughty things to you next go, if I am not boy are you in for a good kicking!

Want to put money on how good a kicking you get, or any kind of bet where we dont kick you, as you know I will take it up.

Now even though its not a sure thing as we have to stab that 2438 army I want you to know we belive its so easy that we can tell you what we plan to do.

Yes I know its cocky but I wnat yuo to know in advance what we do to you and defy you to stop us,

Well no armies on 2339 or 2039 hmmmmm can we wander about and take them what do you think?

Now no armies on the 37 line or the 36 hmmmmmm how can you stop us?

Come on you know you want to tell me does your silence tell me now the worm has turned no comeback no taunting how easy it is from your side?

Oh the plan is simple hit 2339 2337 and 2236 and one other location this go stop me if you can, you know I dont think you can but hey your chance to shine if you can?

Yummmmmm sailor for lunch and no I did not think it to many!

Come on Gondors give me some back to? Or are your days of threatening me over?

Well still not me running and boy its going to be interesting! I have plans for one of you, yes I am going to rebuild the bridge, payback time is hard is it not time to test the waters, do you have enough forces in range to stop us?

Why tell you well you will find out this go just like the corsairs did, timing can be a pain and yummy time for us.

Why hunt you when you fall into my lap. Must be good karma, kismet whatever and the best bit is you know it, sadly.

Oh I have you and wriggle as you might no you wont get away!

[vandal]

Oh come on where are the voices telling me the pasting I am going to take?

Now well the corsairs had a taunt but I see they have not come back either!

But NG come on you where the man, telling us about the pasting you where giving us, how great you played how poorly we are.

Now its not me choking on my own retreat, where are your armies when you need them?

Must be hard when two agents are needed but cannot save you, hmmmmm yummy another one to the pot this go, can you take those losses? Come on tell me you can, I say you cannot, but hey prove me wrong. Tell me you are so great and how you are going to hurt me.

How many troops do you have? what have they done of late but retire them?

I told you crossing the river was a mistake and now the bridge is going up on 3024 what are you going to do about it, nada, nothing I want to see your face next go, man its going to be a picture!

Then your going to roll over and die and what can you do about it?

Threaten me, when I threaten you, hey you can bet I am going to smash the hell out of you in the game and take your stuff and taunt you as I do!

More caracters gone, a bold strike which you cannot stop what you going to do to stop and taunt me? Can you defend any of your pop centres now?

You say we are late on OZ but the question you have to ask is we pick our battles and I can lose any MT but it does not hurt.

Now you can suffer knowing its a real pain.

And no I left an agent on those bridges up north to put in that order to take any new ones down, because we can afford them.

Can you hurt us, come on the worm has turned, you need new things to throw at us!

I will be seeing you and wnat you to know it, come on what you going to do about it.

Why dont you bet me we cannot do it, coem on you know you want to.

Now this I call taunting and maybe you dont feel up to playing with the master?

Its OK few do and when they see me in this mode they always lose, you are just another scalp, and not one of the best but fair play your team had its shot, thats done and dusted.

Ouch another turn of pain, just a few pricks but they still hurt!

[vandal]

Now SG please tell me who the hell came up with your great plan?

That I have to say is not the best of ideas but hey who am I to complain, yummy!

Well no it wont be you saving ng or the corsairs, thanks the gods that you are not on the front line as that lack off troops will come back to hurt you.

Yes only a nibble this go so no need to worry to much just enough to keep you honest and out the way

But hey come tel me how nasty you are to us please do

Thanks for the pop centres!

[vandal]

For those who like a read I keep my powder dry and talk when I can do what I say, now the good side are feeling it and they dont like good old British steel up them by god they dont.

I do like the threats though, but as each turn passes and we expand the empire more and more now what are they going to do and say to us?

Oh boy we knew we could not beat the bad side as we have never lost as the bad side and you cheated by playing withn the game rules!

Plus we thing swearing and threatning you is within the spirit of the game, thats how we play it, so it must be right, no its not cheating, no its not against the rules, even if its in the rules, hmmmmm I think I call that sour grapes, and yes you are losing, call it as you like, TRADE KILLS WITH US, hey its not hurting.

Take pop centres we build more, then we take yours, hey build more, but hey build the one nation more of characters we have in the bag and I will call that a miracle.

Hmmmmmmmmmm yummy I do like my good guys on toast with no sauce!

[fax]

My lardy lardy lard. I drive my guests to the airport and this is what I find when I get back~!

Oh Fwankie-boy, you are a riot - please never change~!

[vandal]

Well keep up the spirit of the game, hey how many cripples did you steal the crutches from on the way back from the airport?

Seems about your level, about the game nada, personal attacks, hey yes why not!

Whats it like to not know you are losing, or know and have such sour grapes?

So come on is swearing your spirit of the game?

Is cheating, since trying to apply rules that dont exists and then saying the other side is really cheating.

So come on how do you define a spirit of the game?

Something to break as you like?

Make up or where you always like this?

[vandal]

This is a game where spirit died and deep shame set in as one side has no standards at all, and no its not us.

Now its not our side that is losing players, want to tell me he was the only player on your side to say he did not agree with the cheating bit and hey his gone?

Whats that tell you, tells me something and its not pretty!

And hey dont see you taunting us!

[vandal]

Now off game happy thanksgiving to all those enjoying it!

[fax]

And hey dont see you taunting us!

Well, we certainly tried, alas, we've proven yet again that conversations and banter can only be had between human beings. Take care~!

[vandal]

True, glad us human beings are playing the dark side, but hell I enjoy the lack of a comeback, leaves it all free for me to enjoy myself all the more!

[vandal]

Hmmmmmmmmmm man did you see your turns already and hence know its a bloodbath this go?

Wow thats some serious stuff all over boy its interesting have you seen it?

[vandal]

Well thats was sneaky of you guys, did you like our reply

[Gixxer]

This is a game where spirit died and deep shame set in as one side has no standards at all, and no its not us.

Now its not our side that is losing players, want to tell me he was the only player on your side to say he did not agree with the cheating bit and hey his gone?

Whats that tell you, tells me something and its not pretty!

And hey dont see you taunting us!

... bah!
Frank, you should read your postings!
.. got several questions about what's going on here.
Your cryptic-way of writing isn't so easy to understand.-

As you already know, I'm out of this game, but ...
In the case I would get a chance to stop your postings I would do it.

Have Fun!

Gixxx

[vandal]

Hey whats the matter with cryptic!

More intersting than anyhting else have seen!